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Wrench Forum => Wrench Forum => Topic started by: kxxr on June 29, 2011, 09:03:03 PM
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Williams trio.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/3Williamsratchets.jpg)
Recently acquired by me. Haven't even used them yet, but I do like the look and feel. They're beauties with a serious, heavy feel and finish of black oxide. One thing I did notice for those interested, the two smaller ones both have USA stamped on them, the big one does not.
No special facts, so I'll paste what the company says: From the "Industrial Supply Company" website: Enclosed head is sealed. Forged one-piece. 36 tooth gear with 10 degree of engagement. Single Pawl ratchet design for tighter tolerances between pawl and gear to reduce metal fatigue and slippage under load. Does not require as many working parts, reducing possible breakage and parts to repair. Easy access reverse lever allows user to change working direction quickly and easily with only one hand. Lifetime Warranty, Made in USA, Manufactured by Williams, now a Snap On company.
I have a few others.
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Those ratchets are very nice and quite a bargain. Nicely done kxxr.
Williams is a subsidiary of Snap on but there is more connection with those ratchets than just corporate ownership. The guts are Snap on and come out of the now no longer available (with a few exceptions) 936 series. The rebuild kits will interchange either way. The forging gives some clues in the head details and the handle is sort of a retro early round SO handle design. I have a couple and they work well and are comfortable to hold and use.
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Good to know about the repair kits. I got a good deal on these off the auction site for $13.33 each, shipped.
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Here's another group. No markings but the circle on the handle of the one, it's 3/8 drive, assumed to be Plomb. The little 1/4 drive came to me with wire looped through the holes to hold it together. I had trouble finding screws to fit. I found the right diameter but they need to be shortened.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/PlombGroup.jpg)
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A few more favorites, all quarter inch drive. First is an SK 40970 fine tooth, about 4 and 1/2 inches long. It was my dad's. AA says most of these SK ratchets will have the later patent number on them as SK started stamping Pat.No. 2232477 in the early 1940s. If it is as old as I think it may be, my dad would have gotten it when he was pretty young, maybe even from his dad, and he hung on to it for a long time. He would have been a teenager in 1941.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/SKfinetooth.jpg)
Next is a 5" Cornwell with only 1 H for markings other than the Cornwell USA name itself. The Cornwell shape, weight and balance might be my favorite over all. Today anyway.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/Cornwellquarter.jpg)
Here's a Snap On MV70, only about 4 and 3/8" long, pictured next to the SK for comparison.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/m70andsk.jpg)
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Here's the 'giant' of the bunch, also pictured next to the SK for size comparison, a Stanley Workmaster 'FlipDrive' from the 1980s I think. It was new in 1983 and looks brand new today. A neat ratchet with an easy switch to flip with your thumb. It says 8G 000 with a Pat.No. on the other side but no USA anywhere. I don't know where this ratchet falls within those misunderstandings Stanley had with the Government. Maybe someone looking can say whether 1983 was USA likely or not. Cool ratchet either way.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/skandstanley.jpg)
And, a NAPA USA NM43 J, alongside the SK and a Craftsman USA 43174. Some tri-wings are imported and are known for weak innards, but this one says "USA".
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/sknapaandcman.jpg)
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Here's the other side, top to bottom: Craftsman, NAPA, Stanley, Snap On, Cornwell, SK.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/flipside.jpg)
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Here are a couple of nice additions to the 1/4" group; a Mac MR5 and a brand new looking Matco AR3T along with another Plomb 3/8" 5249 with good honest wear but smooth function and no rust. I did a little horse trading for one of those Taiwan 40 some piece sets in the plastic box (20 pieces are allen wrenches) that I have been kicking around the garage for years. The shopkeep gave me $15 credit for it so I got the 3 ratchets for $12 bucks out of pocket. I think he was happy to get something he'll have no trouble selling at twice the price or better and I am happy with my new ratchets. Win / Win
Anyone know the vintage of the 2 newer 1/4" ratchets? The MAC has a shallow engraving on the head but the Matco looks fresh out of the package.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/plombmacmatco2.jpg)
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here are a couple of my ratchets...both made by britool...
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Don't see the Britool variety very often. Nice.
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Anyone recognize the maker of this "Master Pro" brand? Is it an Easco design?
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/MasterProUSA.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/MProUSA.jpg)
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(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/qratlineup1-1.jpg)
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more ratchets:
Husky, Sparta, Craftsman, SK Roto, Craftsman, Mac Sabina
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/tegroup.jpg)
Cman, Cman, Powerbuilt (I know but it's cute), Proto, Cman, Hammered Cman, KD, and.... yay!! a stainless!
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/stainlessteandqs.jpg)
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Anyone recognize the maker of this brand? Is it an Easco design?
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/MasterProUSA.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/MProUSA.jpg)
The Master Pro is a Stanley-made sliding pawl design very much like the Craftsman Quick Clean style (which was also Stanley made). I have one - and like it! - and it's pictured in the ratchet thread.
Is yours 3/8" or 1/4"?
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Anyone recognize the maker of this brand? Is it an Easco design?
The Master Pro is a Stanley-made sliding pawl design very much like the Craftsman Quick Clean style (which was also Stanley made). I have one - and like it! - and it's pictured in the ratchet thread.
Is yours 3/8" or 1/4"?
Ah, Stanley. Does it come apart like the Quick Clean? It is difficult to tell the size of that ratchet because I botched the resizing of the photos, but it is a big ol' war club half incher. What vintage would you say these are?
I should say that when I started this thread, I didn't realize that there was a "the ratchet thread" or I would have just put these there. I had seen the title of it, and thought the focus was on dis-assembly. You may have noticed that I have changed the title and the proposed strategy of this thread from it's original state once I noticed a reference or two to "the ratchet thread". It was not my intent to 'compete' with an existing project ...
I'll just keep adding photos and info here as I get them and maybe this can be 'the other ratchet thread'.
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I'm guessing it was made in the 80's when Stanley was pumping out tools. There was a thread talking about the lawsuit Stanley had because they printed USA on tools that were made overseas. I think the Master Pro is one of those.
It comes apart like the old Thorsens. There's a flat coil spring on the knuckle side of the head that needs prying off. Then the gear assembly slides out the back.
P.S. I'd love to see some pics of that 1/2" Master Pro apart! Number of teeth on the pawl and in the head would be great to know, too.
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Oldie but a goodie. Kind of a wrench, kind of a screwdriver. Snap On valve thingy?
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/valveadjust1.jpg)
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Yeah, that's the second generation valve adjustor, socket goes on the square drive part to loosen the locking nut, bit adjusts the valve...
Very pretty : )
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That flat handle MAC was made by S-K. What is the drive size ? Am I reading the number on it as X3R ?
EvilDr235
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That flat handle MAC was made by S-K. What is the drive size ? Am I reading the number on it as X3R ?
EvilDr235
Correct, X3R, and it is 3/8" drive, about 7" or 8" long I'd guess. On the other side it says Sabina Ohio. I don't have it in front of me and can't remember if "Ohio" is abbreviated or not. It is a nice, compact yet hefty, well balanced tool. I like it. SK makes sense, as the design is similar to others I have seen that look like it. Most recently, an Artisan.
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I had a S-K in 1/4 inch drive with the flat handle. I sold it in a weak moment.
EvilDr235
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Here's a rare bird, at least it's the first I've ever seen. A USA made John Deere 3/8 drive flex head TY3522.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/deere.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/deere2.jpg)
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I'm guessing it was made in the 80's when Stanley was pumping out tools. There was a thread talking about the lawsuit Stanley had because they printed USA on tools that were made overseas. I think the Master Pro is one of those.
It comes apart like the old Thorsens. There's a flat coil spring on the knuckle side of the head that needs prying off. Then the gear assembly slides out the back.
P.S. I'd love to see some pics of that 1/2" Master Pro apart! Number of teeth on the pawl and in the head would be great to know, too.
I will take some pictures when I get around to taking the Master Pro apart. I'll refer to the disassembled one when the time comes. Right now I have a few ratchets in baggies that I need to finish before I take any more apart. I confess, I am one of those who can take anything apart. Putting it back together? Well, that takes me a little longer.
You may have seen in another thread where I was trying "KrudKutter" to remove corrosion and rust on an old Husky. It works very well but I left the parts in too long and some actually just liquefied, including half of the spring. I guess it will be a wall hanger until I can find another spring, if that's even possible. I'll go out to the garage and take some pictures of that one later today. Thanks for the tips.
EDIT: Bonneyman, I just went to take a quick look at the disassmebled round head Stanley and remembered that you had said the pictures were all gone. Sure enough there they are, gone! Any progress in getting them posted back up?
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Anybody know of "Williamson"? Here is a pretty cool old ratchet. I tried to do a little googling but had no luck wading through all the Williams info.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/williamsonrat.jpg)
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Here's a couple more recent additions. Both 3/8"; a good ol' Truecraft Japan and a Mac flex head offset.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/TruecraftJapan.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/MacFlexOffset.jpg)
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3.5 inch Titans, 60 tooth quick release. I just had to buy something on Black Friday. Everyone else was doing it!
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/027.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/206.jpg)(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/127.jpg)
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>Everyone else was doing it!
Now stop that.
You are liable to give people
the impression that an excuse is required to aquire tools...
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Vintage Williams
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>Everyone else was doing it!
Now stop that.
You are liable to give people
the impression that an excuse is required to aquire tools...
My wife was looking over my shoulder.
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Vintage Williams
Nice batch. Especially the little ones. I'm a sucker for the little ones.
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Here's a rare bird, at least it's the first I've ever seen. A USA made John Deere 3/8 drive flex head TY3522.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/deere.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/deere2.jpg)
That sure looks like a Bonney to me. The selector shape and stamping really look like Bonney.
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I do know that some of the JD ratchets were made by Bonney. I only know it because I read it in another discussion and from AA of course. Does this picture give you any idea as to the year or time frame that it might have been made? I suppose it could be as late as the early 90s if one of the conglomerates that absorbed Bonney kept using the tooling. What do you think?
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This little quarter inch ratchet is marked CM-45 and says patd USA. There are no other markings. It feels like it has 48 teeth ( or maybe 45?). Does anyone recognize this part number? It has a kind of SK look to it, but not exactly. Any guesses?
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/IMG_20111211_135006.jpg)
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I do know that some of the JD ratchets were made by Bonney. I only know it because I read it in another discussion and from AA of course. Does this picture give you any idea as to the year or time frame that it might have been made? I suppose it could be as late as the early 90s if one of the conglomerates that absorbed Bonney kept using the tooling. What do you think?
The catalog I have with a picture of the ratchet I'm comparing it to is 1986. I have seen a 1977 catalog, and the tools I looked at were pretty much the same as in my '86 book....but I didn't look at the ratchets. Sorry!
I believe Cooper bought Utica/Bonney from Triangle in 1992. They were then discontinued in 1994, after which Epstein bought out the Eastern US inventory.
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I think you're right in the ball park on the John Deere being a Bonney ratchet.
Any guesses on the CM-45 quarter incher?
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The Deere looks like my Bonney. 36 teeth. Dual pawl. I have just one John Deere combo wrench, and it is a Bonney.
The 1/4" looks like a New Britain. I have it as a Penncraft and Mac. 60 teeth. Single pawl.
If you have pictures of them apart I can sometimes tell for sure.
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Here are some new additions:
A T&E SRCO 100 gearless 1/4" with push through drive plug:
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/tesrco100.jpg)
A Stanley angle head 1/4" drive:
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/stanley-1.jpg)
My new SK Frankenstein (Thanks Jeff!!):
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/skfrank.jpg)
A long handled Proto 3/8 drive flex:
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/protoflex.jpg)
Husky CS 43:
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/huskycs43.jpg)
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Continental American made in Japan:
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/contamer.jpg)
Craftsman 3/8 flex:
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/cman38flex.jpg)
Craftsman 1/4" flex
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/cman14flex.jpg)
Blue Point 1/4"
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/bluepoint14.jpg)
Ace 1/4"
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/ace14.jpg)
TrueCraft made in Japan
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/truecraft.jpg)
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Here is a sweet little 1/4" I picked this week end.
Indestro 2875A
Cant really find much data on it, no help over at GJ.
Brian L.
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cool selector. nice looking ratchet.
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That's one pretty ratchet!
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This is the pic I posted at GJ. Mine are 3/8". 60 teeth with a single pawl.
AA has a pic of one.
http://home.comcast.net/~alloy-artifacts/duro-indestro-p5.html#sockets
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Hope some of you might find some of these interesting.
Proto Challanger obstruction ratchet 1/4 drive. I have no idea how this got bent like this but it still works as it should with no skips or rough spots - a testament to the designer.
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae275/thejafe/100_2846.jpg)
Snap on M-70 9/32 drive. I'm pretty sure this is 1936. These were made 1933 to 1937 and were the first small ratchet design from Snap on.
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae275/thejafe/ratchets/100_3241.jpg)
Snap on L78 1 1/2 drive. Largest ratchet Snap on made. The handle is detachable and is 40" long. The head with the handle weighs 28lbs. This is really a monster.
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae275/thejafe/snap%20on/100_2954.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae275/thejafe/snap%20on/100_2952.jpg)
Handle hole is large enough for a silver dollar.
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae275/thejafe/snap%20on/100_2959.jpg)
The selector switch is the size of a quarter.
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae275/thejafe/snap%20on/100_2958.jpg)
Snap on 5/8 drive ratchet. This one has a drive plug and no selector switch. No idea why someone painted it red. One of these days I'll soak it some DOT 3 brake fluid to remove the paint.
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae275/thejafe/snap%20on/100_2506.jpg)
Armstrong NM-51 1/4 drive.
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae275/thejafe/ratchets/100_2614.jpg)
Blackhawk 49996 1/2 drive "baldie". Direction is changed by depressing the button and turning the drive plug a tooth or two. Interesting design but not real handy for making changes in direction so it's no surprise the design never caught on.
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae275/thejafe/ratchets/100_2550.jpg)
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Penens Challenger 1/2"
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/IMG_20111215_163817.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/IMG_20111215_163755.jpg)
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Here's a few more for the bunch. Haven't added any for a bit.
A mint condition TrueCraft Japan 20149 1/4"
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/TruecraftJapanquarter.jpg)
A KD USA 1/4" 711111 J
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/kdquarter.jpg)
A pair of Thorsens, 3/8" 77J-3 and 1/4" 77M
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/ThorsPair.jpg)
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Well, I found them all interesting.
I have a number of wrenches with red paint or traces of red paint on them. I've always thought the red was for visibility in the shop, since it isn't just a vague spray of color that some use to identify tools used on a job site. When you've got a bunch of tools lying about, red is easy to find.
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I broke down and treated myself to some new ...
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/arms1.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/arms5.jpg)
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You won't like them.
They are too shiny.
Send them to me.
I'll take care of them....;P
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Those Armstrongs are beautiful!
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Those are beauties, and now ... the beast: I saved this big ol' half inch drive from the pawn shop and an unknown fate and brought it to a good home. I guess not so big for a 1/2" at 10 and a quarter inches length, but it just has that old school 'heft' to it. It looks like it has served well. Anybody know the maker right off the bat? (same ratchet, different distances) Patent 1,902878 comes up under the Duro/Indestro info on AA and is referred to as the "pressed flange design", which makes sense, as I see no way to get it apart short of 'unpressing' it, which I won't be trying. I'm counting maybe 36 teeth?
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/MQhalf.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/2MQhalf.jpg)
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1/4" drive Tru-Test T1060-1 MFD. U.S.A. 4 and a half inches long. Anyone know the maker? Era?
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/2tru-test.jpg)
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J-H-Williams & CO. U.S.A. S-52 "SUPERRATCHET" PAT D.
I will try for a whole picture later, but this one gives the idea. 1/2" drive 11 and 1/4" long, round, knurled handle.
Barely visible, where the 'satin' section tapers to a point on the right side is a forge mark "B". Or 8, or maybe 6, could be E. Yeah, barely visible.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/s52close.jpg)
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Anyone know the maker? Era
I have seen that deep knurling before in a Dayton (Thorsen) rat in 3/8dr, and have seen one 80's era Japan 1/4dr rat, that I keep picking up in my hands at the flea market and keep putting it down. Other than that, it's all I have to offer.
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Here's the full length of the JH Williams S-52, as promised, nasty marks and all.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/s-52.jpg)
And the TrueCraft 20149 that I think I showed one side of before; here's both sides. The underside says Japan 8-3 (that '3' is in a smaller font and could be a 5 or possibly some other symbol...very difficult to read even with a magnifying glass. 1/4" drive, about 4 and 7/8" long. I guesstimate about 44 teeth.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/truecraft-1.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/2truecraft.jpg)
An Allen USA 1/4" drive, about 5 and 1/2' long with 36 teeth I think. The marking on the underside is "FORGED 10900" and that tiny mark next appears to be a tiny "3" with the legs pointing downward. Also very hard to read with a magnifying glass. That is some kind of unfortunate chemical tint on the handle.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/Allen.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/3allen.jpg)
Matco (this one also made an earlier appearance) on the back and AR3T on the underside with another very difficult to decipher symbol, possibly a stylized roman numeral V or some other letter with an X through it. I can't tell, too tiny. I need a jeweler's loupe. Any way, the symbol is followed by -U.S.A.- I count 34 teeth and the length is just 4 and 1/2". It's a tiny little thing with a really thin handle.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/matco.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/2matco.jpg)
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Three more for today. I think a couple of these have also made earlier appearances, but these are a little closer, more detailed photos. First are a couple of 4749s; old and older. A 4749 PROTO MFD. U.S.A. front and back. Original selector, or no? I measure 4 and 15/16" long and count a different number of clicks almost every try - mid 20s will have to do:)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/2proto4749.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/3proto4749.jpg)
PLOMB MADE IN 4749 U.S.A., also about a 25 click count. (note to self: trim screws or find new ones) 5" long. A favorite.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/Plomb4749.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/2plomb4749.jpg)
A round head Craftsman with quick release and thumbwheel. One of those where they wrote a book on the underside handle. The book says:
-FORGED IN U.S.A. ----V--
U.S. PAT. 3467231, AND OTHERS
Just a couple of tenths over 5 inches. 72 clicks? I don't know offhand what the mechanism looks like but you can feel the difference in every other click. click Click click Click click Click .... like that.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/qrhft.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/2qrhft.jpg)
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Craftsman 1/2" drive FORGED IN U.S.A.=V= Can't see the oil hole in the picture but there is one. This one looks about as nice as I've seen, short of NOS.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/cmhalfback.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/cmhalfunder.jpg)
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I posted this one before, but not close up. It is a MAC X3R 3/8" drive. I have seen a similar ratchet stamped A-R-T-I-S-A-N, with dots instead of dashes. I can't remember if I have seen this design stamped SK or if I just heard it was made by SK. Possibly both. I don't see any sign of any date code on this one. No other stampings at all. It's about 6 and 3/4" long and I count about 42 clicks around.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/x3r.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/sabina.jpg)
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MAC offset flex 3/8" drive. The head has 6 positions and measures about 10 and 3/4" along the spine and about 3 and 1/2" from the end of the handle to the middle of the bend. I count 30 clicks around. The back of the head has the fancy, almost triangular version of the logo and the underside is marked with XR1 1FS USA 02
It may be of interest to some, that it appears the XR1, the 1FS and the USA 02 are of incrementally smaller fonts.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/macback.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/xr11fs.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/xr1close.jpg)
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I got my hands on some Craftsman Premium Grade ratchets, set number 29498. They are tough to photograph indoors. I'll try for some better pictures tomorrow, outside. Here's a preview. I really like them. I see some things in the finish that I probably would not have even noticed before I knew there was such a thing as a tool forum. In a way, that is a bad thing. The surface is mirror smooth and there is no knurling or other texture to disguise defects, making them very easy to spot. A bold move on Sears part. I can imagine a lot of room for argument in how 'defect' might be defined on these.
I can also definitely see where they might feel bulky to anyone used to a lighter, slimmer tool. I wonder if the 1/2 drive is disproportionately larger than the other two would seem to dictate, or if it just seems that way because these are hefty ratchets all around. I look forward to trying them out.
I can't think of any criticism of the mechanism, it's flawless on all three. Their picture:
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/00929498000.jpg)
mine:
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/cmpg1.jpg)
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Those new craftsman ratchets are a beauty. I wanted to buy a set but I've been unable to find anything but non USA made in the retail stores.
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1/4" drive Tru-Test T1060-1 MFD. U.S.A. 4 and a half inches long. Anyone know the maker? Era?
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/2tru-test.jpg)
Pendleton Tool/Proto produced that style for several brandings, including Fleet, Challenger, Vlchek, Millers Falls, your Tru-Test, and possibly others. Don't know the era, as I haven't found a patent (yet), but a rough swag would be late '60s to early '80s maybe.
I posted this one before, but not close up. It is a MAC X3R 3/8" drive. I have seen a similar ratchet stamped A-R-T-I-S-A-N, with dots instead of dashes. I can't remember if I have seen this design stamped SK or if I just heard it was made by SK. Possibly both. I don't see any sign of any date code on this one. No other stampings at all. It's about 6 and 3/4" long and I count about 42 clicks around.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/x3r.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/sabina.jpg)
It was sourced from S-K way-back-when - got 'em branded for SK (inside the diamond), Artisan, and Mac.
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Thanks Powderkeg, and welcome to Tool Talk!
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Thanks Powderkeg, and welcome to Tool Talk!
Thanks!
I've lurked off-and-on for awhile - thought I'd posted some in the past, but maybe that was before the site grenaded and had to reboot.
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I think I remember you on the old site- Welcome back!!
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Champion Plug-master II 3/8 drive flex head ratchet. Just a little over 10 inches long.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/1championplugmaster.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/champclose.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/chapm3.jpg)
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Thanks Powderkeg, and welcome to Tool Talk!
Thanks!
I've lurked off-and-on for awhile - thought I'd posted some in the past, but maybe that was before the site grenaded and had to reboot.
Hey there Keg; good to see you back here!
(For those who don't know, Keg has the greatest ratchet collection I've ever seen and is an expert resource for tool history...)
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This is one of my favorite threads. I have a thing for ratchets myself.
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I guess I've lost track a little bit as to what I have posted or what I haven't. Oh well, you may have to suffer through some duplicate pictures of purdy ratchets. Here are some pictures I took out in the garage today while on the Thorsen hunt. Including the Thorsens and a couple three Action versions. First up is a very nice Thorsen 77M often seen and this one is in very spiffy condition.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/t77m.jpg)
Thorsen round head 77JC:
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/t77jc.jpg)
A Snap On F749 with a 1995 date code, I'm pretty sure I posted this one before:
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/f749.jpg)
Mustang Sally
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/mustang.jpg)
Husky Horde (I think that one with the spinner wheel may be foriegn, can anyone confirm?)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/huskys.jpg)
Action trio:
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/actionrats.jpg)
Williams cousins S52 and S53. Mr Heel saw fit to engrave his initials in one of them. One day I will try to buff it out.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/superrats.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/superrats2.jpg)
Wards Powr-Kraft from the good ol' days.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/powerkraft.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/pklogo.jpg)
Sparticus:
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/spartas.jpg)
And one beauty of a Thorsen box with a few tools I had short of a set.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/tboxopen.jpg)
Enjoy!! I feel safe that not many of us will remember whether we have seen these before or not. All great American Iron (I use "Iron" in the figurative sense, no correction needed) for your viewing pleasure just the same.
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I'd give a lot to go back in time to see the main New Britain factory in it's heyday ... I bet it was all a-holes and elbows, just meeing all their contract obligations. Must have been quite a sight.
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Well, last time I looked here's what I collected over the years for ratchets.
I'll try to get some pics up....er....eventually.........................................
1/4" drive:
Gray (Canada) - NOS
Cornwell TR-3
NAPA (probably re-badged Gearwrench)
Blackhawk USA - NOS
3/8" drive:
Snap-On F749
Snap-On F710
Proto 5249 - NOS
MAC XR11
New Britain CB-45 (?) - NOS
KD USA RHFT - NOS
Allen USA RHFT - NOS
Allen USA RHFT/QR - NOS
Wizard RHFT (Duro/Indestro)
Fuller RHFT (KTC-Japan) - NOS
Wright 3400 - NOS
Cornwell
Indestro 6272 pear head
1/2" drive:
KD USA RHFT - NOS
Proto Big Dawg (15" long)
New Britain CB-55 (?) -NOS
Duro Chrome RHFT flexy
Bonney 4098
Craftsman BE female drive
Cratsman Circle H war finish (Plomb)
Cornwell SR-50
Take care & have fun!
Steve
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3/8" drive:
Fuller RHFT (KTC-Japan) - NOS
Is your Fuller ratchet actually also marked "KTC"? I have a set of their combo wrenches so marked, but I've not seen a ratchet...
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Looking forward to the pictures RRmech.
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The FULLER is actually a complete 3/8" drive SET, including the original green plastic case.
The ratchet, socket extensions, and SAE sockets are all marked.....KTC....inside an oval.
Steve
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Newest addition, Snap On 3/8 1993 F386
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/sof8361993.jpg)
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I love these old Cornwells and here's a nice one. Not sure of the model since it isn't marked but I think they are usually JR something, like maybe JR30 since this one is an old school low tooth count. Bullet proof and just plain cool IMO.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/cornwellt8.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/ct8.jpg)
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It's been a while since I added anything but I've still been gathering. Here's a very old school Billings and Spencer half inch drive. It's only about 8 and a quarter inches long but it weighs just a hair over a pound. I count 11 clicks for the drive to go full circle.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/bs1.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/bs2.jpg)
Here's a similar style, OTC 3/8 drive that looks almost brand new. I count about 25 clicks to go around and it is just under 7 inches long. A beauty.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/otc.jpg)
In the quarter inch I recently got this Wilde USA, which I have never seen one of before. It clicks around about 30 times I think and is 5 and 3/4 inches long.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/wildeusa.jpg)
And finally, another CM 43, this time a Husky USA. It's only 5 inches long and has a very skinny neck and clicks 56 or so times around. It's my favorite of these. I like the older Husky USA stuff and this is a nice one. Enjoy!
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/huskycm43.jpg)
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I spotted a couple of nice ones today and got a deal I could not refuse. First one is a 15", half inch drive Craftsman with no part number. I saw one very similar in a 1972 catalog, but I think this one might be older than that. My second guess would be that it's newer than that and third guess - 1972. I'm curious to know the age of it if anyone knows.It's in great shape anyway, and ready for a few more years of service with any luck at all.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/15inchoiler.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/15inch2.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/oiler.jpg)
The other is a 3/8 drive Snap On FL720 in pretty nice shape. 1980 if I'm reading the date stamp correctly. It's a long one too, at about 10 and a quarter inches. I botched the picture taking with the second pic looking shorter than the first. dammit.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/fl720.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/2fl720.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/1980.jpg)
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Nice =V= rat! About the only tough thing about finding a rebuilt kit for that rat is that the pawl and selector knob are probably "D" post. All of the new kits are a "tang" style. So it won't be original with a new rebuild kit in it. Which doesn't matter if you got the tool to use it!
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First I've seen of that selector switch on a Craftsman....not that it means much. I like the oiler hole feature on the head.
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This crusty old veteran should clean up nicely. New Britain NB40, 3/8 drive ... before cleaning.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/nb2.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/nb.jpg)
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I finally got a Craftsman 'quick clean', but I haven't gotten it apart yet. I'll have to review the posts that cover that. I got a great deal on the Wright 2400 and the Armstrong round head at the same place. All 1/4 drive ratchets.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/newquarterrats.jpg)
I already had the 1/4" Stanley Workmaster 'flip drive', so I couldn't pass up this 3/8".
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/t8workmaster.jpg)
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Excuse my ignorance. Never saw a Craftsman Quick clean before. What years were they available?
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80s I think. Some good info here:
http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=4039.0
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(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/bs1.jpg)
Gasp!! This knocks me out!!!
Love the early stuff.
The OTC is red hot too. Looks so new its shocking.
Bang-a-rang
yours Scott
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here is a old 3/4" drive wright N- 320 date code -45 AC
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That Wright 3/4 still looks like it has plenty of pull left in it. I'd like to see it up close.
The other day I found this Thorsen 77C in really nice shape and today, I found it's little brother, the 77MC. It's hard to tell in pictures, but this one seems like the neck might be a little skinnier than the one Oily showed recently. I guess you wouldn't know without them side by side. It's very thin, like the Husky CM 43 pictured above.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/2t77s3.jpg)
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I guess you wouldn't know without them side by side.
You can send that one to me, and I'll put them all side-by-side :-)
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That's the plan. I'm just not known for speed though. No one calls me speedy, nor have they ever:)
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I love the big Wright. I haven't seen that one. Very Purdy!!!!
Jim
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I got this NB43 body with no guts as a throw in at a local shop. I went to NAPA and they had to order a kit, but I had it in hand the next day for $10.69. I spent the morning learning all of the incorrect things to do when assembling one of these, and then finally stumbled on a method that worked and here it is. Beautiful.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/NB43.jpg)
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I got some good ones today. This is the first Thorsen 77 half inch drive I have seen that I can recall. I see quite a few of the smaller sizes, but I believe this is my first half incher. This one has the down turned ends on the top of the T, which has some significance to the dating of it, but I don't remember what it is; older maybe, I think. I was happy to see the collar still intact as there isn't much holding those things on. They are more of a 'dust cover' than anything else so far as I can tell. If anyone can take a stab at the date based on the logo style, I'd sure be interested to hear it. The Walden is a 4050, 16 cllicks around. I see some Walden tools around but I think they are generally much older than most of the more commonly seen hand tools. I don't know when they stopped making tools, but I do wonder. I also think the selector is original equipment but wonder if it might not be a custom job? And is there supposed to be a ball in that hole, or do you just funnel the oil in? It's a big hole. The round head one is an Action 77JA 3/8 size. I've had 2 or 3 of these. They are stout and reliable but not fancy.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/3newrats.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/3newrats2.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/waldenhole.jpg)
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I have a Walden just like yours. Same selector.
Nice old ratchet in the collection. Don't use it. Has the same big hole.
For oiling and also to let tooth parts drop out.
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Here is that old wright 3/4" ratchet again
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Here is a herbrand H-11 3/4" ratchet
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the guy that sold the herbrand 3/4" ratchet to me said he tested it by breaking a 3/8" bolt off
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here is a cornwell 3/4" ratchet that has seen some rough days but still works perfect.
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here is a walden 5184 3/4" ratchet
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here is a bonney 4285 3/4" ratchet
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here is a rare cornwell 3/4" ratchet, AA shows this to be the same as the number 55 1/2" ratchet design just without the model number. I have a 1/2" ratchet exactly like the 3/4" ratchet. could these be some of the first ratchets cornwell made?
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here is a vlchek 1/2" ratchet that I think may have been made by duro-chrome/indestro. I know pendelton tool (proto) bought them around mid 50's but this ratchet does not look like any of proto's designs. it looks like sk but parts would not interchange. i do not have a indestro ratchet to compare with but it looks like indestro is the only other ratchet that uses the same retaining spring as sk.
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here is a vlchek 1/2" ratchet that I think may have been made by duro-chrome/indestro.
I think it's a Bonney...
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I vote Bonney.
Beat the tar out of one trying to take it apart, then I think I figured out it had to be in the neutral position to come apart...........DOH!
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I spotted a couple of nice ones today and got a deal I could not refuse. First one is a 15", half inch drive Craftsman with no part number. I saw one very similar in a 1972 catalog, but I think this one might be older than that. My second guess would be that it's newer than that and third guess - 1972. I'm curious to know the age of it if anyone knows.It's in great shape anyway, and ready for a few more years of service with any luck at all.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/15inchoiler.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/15inch2.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/oiler.jpg)
The other is a 3/8 drive Snap On FL720 in pretty nice shape. 1980 if I'm reading the date stamp correctly. It's a long one too, at about 10 and a quarter inches. I botched the picture taking with the second pic looking shorter than the first. dammit.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/fl720.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/2fl720.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/1980.jpg)
IIRC, that style Craftsman is somewhat rare, no quick release mechanism was only produced a short period of time???
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Penens Challenger 1/2"
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/IMG_20111215_163817.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/IMG_20111215_163755.jpg)
This Penens is cool.
2nd one I've ever seen in that style.
Have the 1/4" drive version of that ratchet around here somewhere.
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Williams Trio II
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/williamstrio.jpg)
Is there a 1/4 drive version?
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Williams Trio II
Is there a 1/4 drive version?
Yeppers................'HOUND will do some digging..............stay tuned..................
(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii199/redheadedgoddess/Animations/dogdiggr-1.gif)
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More recent additions:
Snap On F936 from 2005, like new!
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/f936.jpg)
More SK and Thorsen:
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/thorsk.jpg)
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Williams Trio II
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/williamstrio.jpg)
Is there a 1/4 drive version?
From top to bottom:
1) B-51A 3/8" drive (refrigeration ratchet)
2) B-51A 3/8" drive (refrigeration ratchet)
3) M-52 1/4" drive (version that fits in with your Williams grouping, only one I've ever seen, traded the shop mechanic for another of the 1/4" drives in the collection.)
4) M-51 1/4" drive
5) NM-51 1/4" drive
6) BM-71 1/4" drive
7) M-51 1/4" drive
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Yup, that's a match. I hope I find one someday. I bet its a great tool, the others sure are. Lucky you! Yours looks to be in great shape. That BM-71 looks pretty cool too. I haven't seen one of those either.
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Missed one of the Williams.
Plastic handle has M-52A PH USA molded into it.
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Here's some new ones needing a little cleanup. First up is a P&C half drive 6211:
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/PC6211.jpg)
I haven't seen one of these before, though there must be many out there. You expect to see "Craftsman" on these so much that you have to do a double take to make sure of what you're seeing:Easco half drive:
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/EascoHalf.jpg)
I can't pass up a quarter inch Craftsman in good shape, ever.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/CmanQuarter.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/CmanQuarter2.jpg)
Last is a couplel of Thorsen half drives. I put them together to show the unusual break in the one. I'd give a nickel to know how that happened. Any ideas?
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/broken.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/broken2.jpg)
I used to be able to post 1024 x 768 pictures here, but for some reason, I had to re-do them all because the ends of the pictures were cut off. I had to resize them to 800 x 600. Has there been a change, Papaw? Or am I screwing it up all by myself? Just curious.
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Has there been a change, Papaw?
Nope.
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Nice additions. I like the Easco; unique it is.
Last is a couplel of Thorsen half drives. I put them together to show the unusual break in the one. I'd give a nickel to know how that happened. Any ideas?
Looks like the two of them will make you one. You sure do come across a lot of Thorsen ratchets.
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Nice additions. I like the Easco; unique it is.
Last is a couplel of Thorsen half drives. I put them together to show the unusual break in the one. I'd give a nickel to know how that happened. Any ideas?
Looks like the two of them will make you one. You sure do come across a lot of Thorsen ratchets.
Years ago I worked at a Farmer's Union store and the hand tools in stock were all Thorsen. There were many of these stores all over Montana at that time and I think they also stocked Thorsen tools. I think that must have something to do with it as there sure are a lot of them around.
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I must have missed posting a picture of these. The 3/8 is a Husky 24900 and the Stanley is 1/4" and is part number 89-808. I like these ratchets. The Husky is older and is stamped Patent Pending and the Stanley has US Patent number 6247386 B1. The patent was issued in 2001, but I think the Husky is quite a bit older than that; maybe not. This design is different from the Proto indexible, as you can see, the indexing feature only allows 5 positions. The Proto would seem to have as many positions as there are teeth in the indexing spline (or what ever it is called).
This design feels very strong and will work pretty much anywhere any other ratchet will work. I think either of these will twist off a bolt as well as most any other ratchet I have. My guess is the handle would bend before the pin would shear, but I'm no engineer, that's just my best guess.
The Husky has about 60 teeth and the Stanley 50. Both have quick release. They are a bit longer than the average ratchet.
Does anyone know if any USA ratchets were produced using this design?
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/2indexible.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/indexible.jpg)
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(http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo343/snapmom/001-8.jpg)
(http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo343/snapmom/002-7.jpg)
(http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo343/snapmom/004-1.jpg)
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Got this Milwaukee 3/4 drive today. Alloy says this company eventually ended up as part of SK. Missing drive plug but thats just another search for tomorrow. Didn't see a photo of another one on this thread so thought I'd share. Also got a plomb 3/4 pebble with some issues but thats a story for another day.
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Heres a photo of the 5649 Plomb 3/4 rat I got at auction yesterday.Bid from a distance so didn't see the (professional ?) rework of the selector. Would have bought it anyway as price was reasonable. Selector now reads (gas valve). Assume some interal rework was done to make it into a gas valve. Also has a bogus screw. Will diassemble as time permits. Never been into one of these but I'm pretty good at taking things apart (not always so great putting them together) Have some pics after lacquer thinner wipedown and nylon buffing (may require second post).
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After cleaning and buffing.
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Nice cleanup. It's surprising to me how many of these Plomb pebble 3/4 ratchets are out there. I think you may have a good chance of coming across a donor ratchet someday. It turned out pretty nice anyway.
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Here's another oddball with no markings on it. I know that I have seen a few other brands/versions, but only in 1/2 inch. I don't know of a situation where I might need this thing, but if it ever arises, I probably won't remember that I have this ratchet. You turn the little tee handle and the drive plug turns. Half inch drive and about a 36 tooth count. Bullet proof construction. Clever, eh?
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/3teerat.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/2teerat.jpg)
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I have one like that that a BIL gave me years ago. Came from Walmart, I think. I thought I would never use it, but I seem to reach for it often. Mine is 3/8" drive.
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I think if I see a 3/8 I'll pick it up. I find that I can get most of my piddling done in the 3/8 realm. No markings on yours either? I want to say that I have seen a Stanley but I wouldn't swear to it. I don't think the low tooth count is a detriment since if you can get the fastener snugged with the spinner handle, you only have the final cinch down left to go. It is bulky enough to use for self defense if nothing else. Can you pop up a picture sometime?
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Went out to the truck and grabbed mine for pictures.
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That looked familiar, checked my toolbox, found a 1/4"dr. Sidewinder Products Corporation.
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It's confirmed then, made in all sizes, except maybe 3/4. Thanks for the photos guys.
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Here's a cutie little Wards Master 1/4"er with some other items I grabbed recently. If anyone has any info on who made this for Wards - and when - I'd appreciate it.
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How odd...
The patent was assigned to Duro/Indestro, but it's really for an older ratchet design (the 3200 series)...It does have the non removable pressed in face plates tho...
Only bits and pieces of that ratchet match indestro ratchet designs, the reverse lever is like one ratchet (the super indestro ratchets), the flat handle like another (wizard), the hex swedge pin seems to be unique.....
Like they really didn't want anyone to figure out whose ratchet it was.....LOL
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Here's a half incher I posted a while back. I had always figured it was a Duro/Indestro product. Montgomery Wards didn't breathe it's final breath until 2000, when it closed the last of it's stores, but I figure this ratchet is from the 70s, which is just a guess since I don't have any real evidence to back it up. I don't think it can be newer than 1990 if it is Duro Indestro. The pressed flange does look Duro, and I have seen a flat handle on some Indestro round head ratchets. It is an odd one. The markings on mine aren't so good. The face of the head is pretty scuffed up, but I don't think it has any patent numbers on it. On the other side, where the hole is, it says "oil". Bottom line, I'm no help at all :(
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/MQhalf.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/2MQhalf.jpg)
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Here's a half incher I posted a while back. I had always figured it was a Duro/Indestro product. Montgomery Wards didn't breathe it's final breath until 2000, when it closed the last of it's stores, but I figure this ratchet is from the 70s, which is just a guess since I don't have any real evidence to back it up. I don't think it can be newer than 1990 if it is Duro Indestro. The pressed flange does look Duro, and I have seen a flat handle on some Indestro round head ratchets. It is an odd one. The markings on mine aren't so good. The face of the head is pretty scuffed up, but I don't think it has any patent numbers on it. On the other side, where the hole is, it says "oil". Bottom line, I'm no help at all :(
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/MQhalf.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/2MQhalf.jpg)
You've been alot of help, bro! A picture of another ratchet with many of the features and logos. Pretty much seals the deal on Duro.
The chrome on mine is fair condition, and a 30 minute soak in JAFE juice has freed it up. I'll let it soak another 2 or 3 days, and then rinse and lube. Probably offer it up to a Duro collector. I don't need another 1/4" rat.
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Country of origin and related downside aside, this is a really nice ratchet for anyone on a budget. I don't know where this one came from but they are available from Amazon and probably lots of other places. I would pass if I saw it new because I like to use my buying power to support American efforts, but on the used market, I figure the damage is done. Anyway, it weighs 12 ounces, has 72 teeth and I like the little bit of offset to the handle. It feels well made and I just like it. The finish is advertised as a nickel coating but it looks to be something layered over chrome. I have a lot of ratchets and this one feels really great in an ergonomic sense. It kind of looks like Facom or Bahco in design. The red part of the handle is very hard plastic and the black is softer; not soft rubber like but you can dent it temporarily with your fingernail. It doesn't look like it has soaked up any oils or chemicals yet. It says ProSeries by KR Tools on the handle.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/proserieskrt8.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/2proserieskrt8.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/3proseriestkr8.jpg)
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I confess that I did buy this foriegn made ratchet brand new. I couldn't resist. It is gearless and so it engages as soon as you change directions; no 4.5 degree swing arc on this one. I think they are still available in the T&E Catalog. To change directions the drive plug pushes through. If you're working in a tight blind spot, like up under the dash, it's hard to beat. It is also pretty handy in the open also. It is well made and there is a rebuild kit, but I have no idea how you would dismantle it and I hope to never need to find out. The old Husky socket seems to fit just fine too.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/tandesrco100.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/tande.jpg)
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Heres pics of 3/4 rat disassembled and cleaned. Everything looks good except that homemade adjuster. The beaver they used to bore ID of body made have had some chipped teeth as he left some pretty deep grooves. Now to find one I can cannibalise adjuster from.
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Adjuster?? What is an adjuster?
Lever to change direction maybe?
The teeth look perfect.
I agree the boring tool must have been defective causing that inside gouge.
It will now be a "passageway for lubricants".
Put it back together and use it on a project. It will love you for it!!!
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poor choice of word on my part. selector might work better.
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switcherchangeradjustamajigger thingy. We get ya!
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I've never seen a "Rota-Grip" before, but here it is. It's 3/8 drive and is gearless; no clicks. I don't know why the head is split like it is but I sure would like to hear what the reason is if someone knows. The selector turns 360 degrees. It locks the drive plug in the 12 oclock position, and lets it turn opposite directions in the 3 and 9 oclock positions. It almost seems as if it is supposed to do something in the 6 oclock position but all I can see is that the head has a little wiggle to it in all settings. Otherwise it seems tight and well made. It says Patent Pending, but has no number on it. Anyone seen one before?
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/rg1.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/rg2.jpg)
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Caper on Garage Journal has one- http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1242680 (http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1242680)
(http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo120/caper_04/Ratchets/three%20eighths%20drives/P1090357.jpg)
Look here, but not much help- http://www.trademarkia.com/rota-grip-73146700.html (http://www.trademarkia.com/rota-grip-73146700.html)
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I'm guessing it has a roller cam in it, and needs the head to wobble just a bit to get it to dog and undog.
Interesting design, very small head.....neat.
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I'm on a roll with a few foreign made tools here lately. Here's a close look at the Craftsman spline sockets and the ratchet they came with. I got a great deal on them 2nd hand and they are handy in the kitchen tool box. I have to give them a 9 for looks and feel and I bet they will perform great for the jobs I'll be asking of them.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/cmspline3.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/cmspline2.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/cmanspline1.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/cmspline4.jpg)
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>handy in the kitchen tool box
Ok, I just have to ask....You have spline drive bolts on your kitchen?
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According to Craftsman, they fit standard fasteners quite well. My son has a set, but I haven't tried them yet.
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They work great!! fit spline, hex, square. granted I haven't used high torque yet.
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The Wright 2400 1/4 inch drive is about 4 and 3/4 inches long and the head can hide behind a dime, just like the Blackhawk 24991. The Blackhawk may be a bit smaller, but I don't have both to compare to. This one is nice, I count about 46 clicks around.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/w2400.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/Wright2400.jpg)
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Here's an Armstrong FA-51 in nice condition. I think I may have posted it in a group before. It is 3/8 drive, has 24 clicks and is just barely under 7 inches long and weighs in at about an ounce per inch. It's hard to see in the picture, but the little knob on the selector is knurled; a nice design touch. I have always liked the Armstrong logo on it. These were available for a fairly short time, 1938 to 1941, according to AA.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/ArmstrongFA51.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/3ArmstrongFA51.jpg)
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The Metrinch is an unconventional design and as such gets a lot of negative publicity from the naysayers. There has been a fair amount of hands on research and comparison documented in a couple of Garage Journal threads with surprising results. If you are interested in those, they are easy to find over there. They are not designed to fit the same way a conventional socket does, and so they do seem to fit more loosely to the fastener, but by many user accounts they are very effective, especially on rounded or damaged fasteners. There are a couple of older Metrinch websites out there that describe the principles of the design too. I don't know if these are still being made or not. Not much historical information is available. I give credit to anyone trying to bring an unusual idea to this field. I bet they know how Galileo must have felt to challenge conventional thinking :) The ones I have feel like they are pretty well made, but are certainly manufactured in Taiwan or China.
Anyway, here's what they look like:
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/Metrinch.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/3Metrinch.jpg)
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I understand that there isn't a ton of interest in these Metrinch tools and that for those who may be interested, there is a great deal of photo, video and written information available via a google search. I was looking around at what is available and stumbled across this picture of a Metrinch socket that is completely different in design and concept to the 'original' Metrinch I have pictured above. This one does appear to have the same name and packaging / logo design but is not made anywhere close to the same way. This USA made version has 12 points and, as the picture shows, 6 of them are to fit SAE fasteners and the other 6 are meant to fit metric. They appear to be priced much cheaper than the original Metrinch tools (which were kind of pricey, by the way), even though they are US made. This version is not the one that appears in any of the tests or videos available. Does anyone have this version or have anything to report about it? They are available on eBay right now and it appears there are lots of them. I find it odd that 2 completely different designs carry the same name and there is no mention of the changes that were made. I will look around to see if I can find 2 patent descriptions and post back here if I do. Here's the "12 point" version:
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/differentMetrinch.jpg)
and here's what I have. I thought they were all like this until I ran into the one above.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/images-1.jpg)
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Cool wrench & Sockets, like the idea...
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Jim,
You can also use a selector from a modern Proto box head ratchet; they haven't changed at all over the years.
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kxxr,
I also have a Armstrong FA-51 3/8 drive ratchet. Mine has a spring loaded detent ball that prevents accidental direction change. I don't see that detent on yours. I wonder if Plomb made those ratchets for Armstrong. Plomb started using that design around that same time frame. I have been putting a collection of Plomb / Proto / P&C related ratchets and knockoffs. The collection could number in the hundreds.
EvilDr235
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EVILDR
According to AA, that change, along with a redesign of the pawl system, was made sometime in the mid to late 40s. I will check for any Plomb references once i get back to my computer. Interesting observation in any case.
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I took a look and could not find any mention of a Plomb connection. No help here. I did find a picture of a ratchet identical in every way to the one I have pictured except that the part number on it is "FAB-51". It was pictured over on GJ by Plombob. He was wondering why the different model number. I don't know if he ever found any explanation.
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I wonder which company holds the original patent on that pearhead style ratchet?
EvilDr235
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From AA: "In the mid to late 1940s Armstrong completely redesigned its ratchets, replacing the older pivoting pawl with a dual-pawl mechanism. The new design had a forged flat handle and relatively thin flat head, and the cover plate was secured by screws, providing easy access for cleaning or repairs. The shift mechanism used a lobed cam, typical for this type of design, but Armstrong added an external detent ball to guard against accidental shifting."
So, there may be 2 related patents. One for the older pivoting pawl and another for the newer version with the dual pawl mechanism.
Also from AA: "Armstrong was a relatively late entry as a maker of sockets and drive tools, as these tools were not offered until sometime after 1928. This was around the same time that J.H. Williams was first producing socket tools as well, and interestingly enough, the socket tools from Armstrong and Williams bear a striking resemblance. Not only are the styles, designs, and tool selection nearly the same, but all of the model numbers (even for socket sets) match as well. (Currently it's not known which company was actually first to market.)"
Some of the other early Armstrong ratchets look a lot like the Williams versions patented by WC Cress in 1934, #1957462, but they aren't an exact match to the FA-51. So, based on the second quote above, I'm going to guess that the design originated with Williams somehow. But, believe me, that's just a guess.
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I wonder if the B in the one marked FAB-51 is because it has a black chemical finish rather than chrome plating. Proto adds the letters BL to the ratchet part number when they have the black chemical finish,
EvilDr235
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It does look like it might have been sanded/polished down to the metal in this photo. That would explain it.
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I have bought lots of Armstrong tools over the years so i may have some somewhere that have a black chemical finish that i can check the part number on to see if the letter B is a code for a chemical finish. I picked up alot of tools today at the flea market today , but no Armstrong. I saw on AA how Armstrong used that dual pawl design on quite a few ratchats. I may have to get another job to support my ever growing habit.
EvilDr235
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I found several FAB-51' s via google, all were black. Also found a SAB-51 (1/2 drive) and it was black also, so B=Black seems highly likely....
>going to guess that the design originated with Williams somehow.
Interesting coincidence that Williams had a ratchet numbered S51 and Armstrong has a ratchet numbered FA51.....just makes you go ...hmmm
There are 99 other 2 digit numbers after all....
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Here's my latest: from Seekonk Mfg., Seekonk, Mass.
The company is still in business, now by the name of Seekonk Precision Tools, with a website that says these tools have "countless applications"; though I know of none. It may be familiar to some of you though. It is 1/4" drive and weighs about 12 ounces. The ends of the T handle appear to be lead filled for light hammering. One side is stamped "Seekonk" and the other is etched with "Cummins 3378592", and was at one time set to "6 in. lb." Some of you with diesel experience may be able to shed a little more light on this. It clicks both ways, does not ratchet.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/seekoonkcummins_zpsab0293e1.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/cumminsseekonk_zps6a82dff2.jpg)
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The Metrinch is an unconventional design and as such gets a lot of negative publicity from the naysayers. There has been a fair amount of hands on research and comparison documented in a couple of Garage Journal threads with surprising results. If you are interested in those, they are easy to find over there. They are not designed to fit the same way a conventional socket does, and so they do seem to fit more loosely to the fastener, but by many user accounts they are very effective, especially on rounded or damaged fasteners. There are a couple of older Metrinch websites out there that describe the principles of the design too. I don't know if these are still being made or not. Not much historical information is available. I give credit to anyone trying to bring an unusual idea to this field. I bet they know how Galileo must have felt to challenge conventional thinking :) The ones I have feel like they are pretty well made, but are certainly manufactured in Taiwan or China.
Anyway, here's what they look like:
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/Metrinch.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/3Metrinch.jpg)
It seems to me that this lobe design is very close to the Bonney Loc-Rite, except Bonney only did it with 12-point sockets. Their 6-point sockets and open end wrenches were the standard triangular design. Since the Loc-Rite patent is long expired somebody has obviously decided it was a good idea to bring back.
I've stumbled upon a pair of Metrinch sockets in 13mm and 15mm, and I keep them handy for removing rounded bicycle axle nuts (which are quite common!)
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Here are some new additions:
My new SK Frankenstein (Thanks Jeff!!):
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/skfrank.jpg)
I just got one the other day. Very high on the cool factor!
Don't know if the "AL" stamped under the snap-ring means anything. Anybody have a clue?
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I came across two "paintbrush" handle EASCO ratchet about 6 months ago, and would like to grab a rebuild kit for each one if someone has a source.
Yeah, long shot, I know. They both work fine, but, I know with use they'll eventually need kits, and I'd rather try and track them down now when there's a chance of finding them.
And I don't know if EASCO made this style for Sears C-man ratchets.
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> Seekonk Mfg., Seekonk, Mass.
Hmm.Seekonk is about 500 ft from where I work ;P
The T shaped thing is a fixed value torque wrench, for installing something in particulat that needs 6 in lbs of torque....
Off the cuff guess would be fuel injectors or glow plugs , not many things on a big diesel engine need only 6inlb of torque...(or perhaps a sensor)
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Here's a shot of a crusty ol' Fleet 1261 3/8 drive. I came across it in some pictures I don't think I have posted yet. It's in the garage somewhere. Also, a Proto 4749, same drive size.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/Fleet1261.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/2Fleet1261.jpg)
Proto 4749
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/2Proto4749-1.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/Proto4749.jpg)
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Superb Photos, best I've seen!!
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Thanks for noticing, MrChuck. Cell phone cameras have come a long way. I am pretty sure I rigged up a tripod for these photos. It's almost impossible for me to push the 'shutter' button without moving the camera. I use one of those dashboard phone holders as a make shift tripod. Works pretty good.
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Here is one I haven't seen before. Open gear Companion USA with a small WF stamped on it. 3/8 drive. I don't recall seeing one of these with the little snap ring on the head before.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/companion1_zps43ff2f51.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/companion3_zps6f2a19ec.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/companion4_zpsb8f5e760.jpg)
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I'm pretty sure I have an Indestro rat that looks a lot like that Companion.
DM&FS
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3/8 drive PowrKraft 84H4843 should clean up nicely (some day).
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/powerkraft2_zpsb7209a10.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/powrkraft1_zps5d37fbd0.jpg)
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Indestro Select Steel 6270 3/8 drive. I just got this set today. It's in great shape.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/selectsteel5_zpsf6b56222.jpg)
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Nice!
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That whole Indestro Select socket set looks nice!
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> Seekonk Mfg., Seekonk, Mass.
Hmm.Seekonk is about 500 ft from where I work ;P
The T shaped thing is a fixed value torque wrench, for installing something in particulat that needs 6 in lbs of torque....
Off the cuff guess would be fuel injectors or glow plugs , not many things on a big diesel engine need only 6inlb of torque...(or perhaps a sensor)
I found a "Radiator Specialties Tool" of similar shape etc that is preset for 6 inch pounds. What on earth would need 6 inch pounds on a cooling system????
DM&FS
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This brand pops up every once in a while. I have picked up some wrenches and now this 1/4 drive ratchet. I thought when I first saw it that I had a match at home that would have a more familiar brand name on it, but I was unable to find one. It is similar to several, but no exact match. Some older posts mention this brand as having been provided to some military mechanics and others mention
KD edit: Kal Cameron or American Kal as maker of some of the ProAmerica tools. Still others have said that the brand appeared in local stores. Most of the mentions are from posts dated 2008-ish to present. Here it is, the ProAmerica 4150, 1/4 drive ratchet.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/proamerica4150_zpsda86dbd2.jpg) (http://s301.photobucket.com/user/kxxr/media/tools/proamerica4150_zpsda86dbd2.jpg.html)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/proamerica2_zps68856e39.jpg) (http://s301.photobucket.com/user/kxxr/media/tools/proamerica2_zps68856e39.jpg.html)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/proamerica3_zps82fa1de2.jpg) (http://s301.photobucket.com/user/kxxr/media/tools/proamerica3_zps82fa1de2.jpg.html)
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This brand pops up every once in a while. I have picked up some wrenches and now this 1/4 drive ratchet. I thought when I first saw it that I had a match at home that would have a more familiar brand name on it, but I was unable to find one. It is similar to several, but no exact match. Some older posts mention this brand as having been provided to some military mechanics and others mention KD as maker of some of the ProAmerica tools. Still others have said that the brand appeared in local stores. Most of the mentions are from posts dated 2008-ish to present. Here it is, the ProAmerica 4150, 1/4 drive ratchet.
I've seen them sold in auto parts stores myself. I have a spark plug socket I bought in a bind, in Minden LA, from an Orielly Auto Parts store.
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Proamerica is a trademark for KAL CAMERON MFG. CORP
http://www.trademarkia.com/proamerica-73762044.html
Can't find much else about them tho.
(Unrelated to Kal Tools)
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Thanks Rusty! I got lazy and did not re-check the references I had seen earlier. That one was mentioned, and I mis-remembered it as KD. Duh! It is settled then, Kal Cameron, aka Kal Pro Tools and American Kal. Thanks for keeping it straight.
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Can’t believe I read through all 12 pages of the ratchet posts to see if I had any to contribute, but I do!! I’ll do my “worker” drawer first and then add some of the “sweeties” from the collector’s box later on.
From upper left to lower right(and then I’ll cover the extreme right side)
Craftsman 947641 ½” manual impact driver(great for loosing up those pesky screws on the old air cooled VW engine shrouds)
Proto 3/8” 5249 in good+ cond.
SK ½” 42470 that’s nearly mint
Proto Flex head ½” with some missing plating on the head 54574
Allen 12800 N I bought new several years ago at a farm supply house here in town.
Craftsman V series ¾” drive flexover 4431 bought new some years ago
Craftsman ½” V series ½” flexover 44201 source is fuzzy right now….
Indestro ¾” drive ratchet 2372 paid $10 for it last summer at a flea market
Husky CB 51 3/8” flexover from a yard sale
P&C 3/8” flex head ratchet 3257-2 one of my favorites. Paid $26 for it on ebay and it’s cherry
No name Klein clone long shaft ¼” drive spinner
GM Goodwrench spark plug ratchet flexhead 3/8” 32602 no sign of US or Asian descent, I’m guessing US
2 SK thumbwheel rats virtually in new condition wonat an auction last winter. the ¼” is a49270 and the 3/8” is a45172
Blackhawk 3/8”34945 A nearly new from a flea market
Sawed off Bonney 3/8”(butchers!!) but I only paid $2 for it at a yard sale
SK 3/8” 45170 with a little plating coming off(why it’s a worker)
Overseas Stanley angle rat 87-998 nearly new cond. From a pawn shop buy in MO spring 2012
Right Side tools:
NAPA NB-46 3/8” bought new back In the 80’s and has been a faithful worker
SK short ¼” 40970 nearly new cond. Paid 50 cents for it at a pawn shop in NW Arkansas
Craftsman 3/8” slide bar 4428 source of this is unknown
Stanley Professional ¼” drive 87-137
MAC ¼” flexhead M3R(my favorite small rat, it’s like butter in your hand)
Powr=Kraft ¼” flexover 84W4753 from an auction flat some time ago.
Husky CS-70 ½” drive short slide bar source unknown
¼” Taiwan spring shaft spinner no name(and hard to see in photo)
Craftsman ¼” combination spinner and extension(with the female end in the top of the handle)
I do have a ¾” Plomb pebble with the right selector arm, but just take my word for it. And also a Bonney ¾ with broken gear, and a C-man V series ¾ that’s pretty rusty. My little Armstrong ¼” with the old logo on it will definitely be in the next photo shoot
DM&FS
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Here's one hefty half inch drive, good ol' KMart Benchtop. I haven't weighed it in comparison to any others but it does feel much heavier than average.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/Benchtop1_zpsb2f9eb13.jpg) (http://s301.photobucket.com/user/kxxr/media/tools/Benchtop1_zpsb2f9eb13.jpg.html)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/Benchtop2_zps02bcf806.jpg) (http://s301.photobucket.com/user/kxxr/media/tools/Benchtop2_zps02bcf806.jpg.html)
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Do you have the 3/8" breaker in that Indestro set? Because, if you don't, I just picked up one that might match.
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Do you have the 3/8" breaker in that Indestro set? Because, if you don't, I just picked up one that might match.
Thanks for the generous offer. I want to say that I do have one but I don't know for sure. I will have to do some digging to see. If I don't, maybe we can work a swap of some kind. I'll pm you after I have had a look. Thanks again!
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Here is one I haven't seen before. Open gear Companion USA with a small WF stamped on it. 3/8 drive. I don't recall seeing one of these with the little snap ring on the head before.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/companion1_zps43ff2f51.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/companion3_zps6f2a19ec.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/companion4_zpsb8f5e760.jpg)
kxxr,
This ratchet was made for Sears by Western Forge. Companion was one of the lower priced brands that Sears used for a number of years. It's a good ratchet... a keeper.
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Here's another Benchtop from Kmart's heyday. It's a quarter inch drive 3202121. I count about 48 clicks around. Yea, it's made in Tiawan but you gotta give 'em at least a couple of points for style. It looks similar in shape to the pass through ratchet from the Texas company pictured below it.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/benchtop32021212_zps69d83104.jpg) (http://s301.photobucket.com/user/kxxr/media/tools/benchtop32021212_zps69d83104.jpg.html)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/Benchtop32021213_zpsdc50b302.jpg) (http://s301.photobucket.com/user/kxxr/media/tools/Benchtop32021213_zpsdc50b302.jpg.html)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/O-RatchetBox.jpg) (http://s301.photobucket.com/user/kxxr/media/tools/O-RatchetBox.jpg.html)
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Here's a snap on 71n, that was my grandpas.
(http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz141/nolatoolguy/SDC13383.jpg) (http://s822.photobucket.com/user/nolatoolguy/media/SDC13383.jpg.html)
I had individual pictures of the inside on a thread of the rebuild but the photos were lost in the crash of the old site.
Here is some snap new snap ons I bought and sold. I have more in flicker of them
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I came across this Moore Drop Forge C-man today in 1/4". Needs some clean and lube (and maybe a dab of silver paint on the selector knob!), but should still work as designed.
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I wouldn't re-paint the selector,,,,because it is made of brass, and that alone tells one it is vintage.Bras on chrome, lovely.
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A few rats from my collection.
Top is an Armstrong F-50 3/8 open gear, which I can find no information about On the underside the head is stamped "USA" the quotation marks are part of the stamping, appears to be cadmium finish. A Snap-on F-70, still works, needs a little more cleaning. And a Snap-on FV-70 missing the selection lever, got the rebuild kit on the way.
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Side view of the Armstrong.
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A couple of 1/4 drive from my collection.
Bottom is a JH Williams M-52, very nice fine tooth rat (60).
Top is a little jewel I picked up for a buck at a second hand store. Marked - NAPA USA on top and on bottom NHTNGRM46 and what I believe is a stylized M. This little NAPA just feels right in my hand, it is fine tooth (60) and has quick release. I prefer it to the Williams and when I reach for one to use the NAPA is the one most often in my hand. Would love to find a 3/8 version.
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That NAPA is a beaut!
First one I have seen, and I have many ratchets to choose from. Is it a current stock at NAPA?
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Mrchuck - I have not found it in NAPAs website. Really wish I could though because then maybe I could find the same style in 3/8.
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Here's another more recent acquisition. Indestro 2875, quarter inch drive. About 50 clicks or so around. I don't often see the little ones by Indestro, usually the bigger brothers. I have a few more, but I have fallen behind on the pictures. Winter is coming, I'll get caught up.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/i28752_zps180409f6.jpg) (http://s301.photobucket.com/user/kxxr/media/tools/i28752_zps180409f6.jpg.html)
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Nothing unusual here... last of the USA models. Got it cheap, couldn't pass it up.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/usaFlex382_zps82b55bb4.jpg) (http://s301.photobucket.com/user/kxxr/media/tools/usaFlex382_zps82b55bb4.jpg.html)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/USA38Flex_zpsf3fdc223.jpg) (http://s301.photobucket.com/user/kxxr/media/tools/USA38Flex_zpsf3fdc223.jpg.html)
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Duro Chrome with the name stamped around the handle end instead of along the shaft. It's a bit scuffed up but the number appears to be 4475 or something along those lines. Somebody help me out here.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/Duro417538_zps7fbeb2b8.jpg) (http://s301.photobucket.com/user/kxxr/media/tools/Duro417538_zps7fbeb2b8.jpg.html)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/durostamp2_zps5bc60d98.jpg) (http://s301.photobucket.com/user/kxxr/media/tools/durostamp2_zps5bc60d98.jpg.html)
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Group photo. I know, not the stuff we usually seek out, but handy nonetheless. Stanley on the left, generics in the middle and a good ol' NAPA on the right. All good sturdy users.
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this one i use most of the time.STC(not sure who that is)....found this several years ago under the hood of my sisters car....thats my story and i'm sticking to it!...3/8 fine tooth
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> i use most of the time
Good taste ;P
STC is Spec Tool Co (I think Santa Fe Springs,CA), They make aircraft tools...
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Here's another more recent acquisition. Indestro 2875, quarter inch drive. About 50 clicks or so around. I don't often see the little ones by Indestro, usually the bigger brothers. I have a few more, but I have fallen behind on the pictures. Winter is coming, I'll get caught up.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/i28752_zps180409f6.jpg) (http://s301.photobucket.com/user/kxxr/media/tools/i28752_zps180409f6.jpg.html)
I have not seen this style Indestro in 1/4" before (only 3/8" and maybe 1/2"). Very nice!
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WOW !!! 50 tooth count on that little ratchet!
Don't strip it then with too much torque !!!
I also enjoy holding a ratchet up to my ear, and counting the "clicks" !
Wanna trade ?
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I am not absolutely positive, but I think this may be the only quarter inch Indestro I have. For sure it's the only one I've seen with the flat handle. I think it is a keeper, at least for now. If I do get the itch to trade, I'll keep you in mind, Mr Chuck.
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> i use most of the time
Good taste ;P
STC is Spec Tool Co (I think Santa Fe Springs,CA), They make aircraft tools...
I can't recall ever having seen an STC ratchet, but you can tell from the picture that the maker was serious about it. It looks well made as well as well cared for. Nice one. Would that be a Texas company? Nevermind, re-read Rusty's comment. Santa Fe Springs, Ca.
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stc also has what i think they call a laser etching?(marked SRTC)
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I can't believe that I've never contributed to this thread.
These are most of my S-K rats.
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I'm cleaning my basement that my Dad worked in for 25 years. My Dad brought some of his father's tools into this basement after Grandpa died in 1968. My grandfather came to America in 1938 & worked as a machinist in Brooklyn from 1938 - 1958. Some fancy wooden handled tools are here with engravings, but I'm currently working on this old Snap-On tool box with rachets in it. The wrench is pictured with a little 'hand' shaped lever. I haven't seen any looking through these pictures. Does anyone know anything about this wrench? Also the sockets are different. It's not a complete Snap-On tool set. Thank you. Linda
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Interesting. The lever looks like others I have seen.
Welcome to Tool Talk!!!
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That looks like a Duro ratchet.
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Yes, Chopper, it looks like Duro Indestro.
A quick check of Alloy Artifacts shows the Duro 3202 R to be female drive but it goes on to say that in later years, it was offered with both female and male drive configurations. Date range would be '30s to '50s, with Linda's being on the earlier end of the range. For more details on your ratchet, Linda, and many others .... you might like to take a look at the Alloy Artifacts web site. Much of what is "known" about this or that tool comes from the AA site. It is a great place to start. Welcome to ToolTalk and be sure to come back and share anything else you might learn.
http://home.comcast.net/~alloy-artifacts/duro-indestro-p5.html#indestro-3202
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Nice old rat, basementgirl! Take a paper clip or small wire, and clean out that "oil" hole. Then try injecting some WD-40 with the thin red tube that comes with it. Once you can get the mechanism moving - if you can - just soak it in some solvent. Let it soak for a week. Every so often try turning the mechanism, and switching the selector knob. If it's just dirt and old grease jamming it this procedure should free it up. Definitely a nice ratchet.
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Here's a nice hefty 3/8 drive shorty EverCraft, pretty fine tooth at 70 clicks. Feels good in the hand:
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And a good ol' American Classic. Get these while ya' can. There can't be but a few million left:
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Quarter inch drive ratchet with a unique design by K-T, Japan. Haven't seen this one before. It seems well made and works just fine.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/2K-tJapanq_zps5850568a.jpg) (http://s301.photobucket.com/user/kxxr/media/tools/2K-tJapanq_zps5850568a.jpg.html)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/3K-TJapanq_zps4c1374fc.jpg) (http://s301.photobucket.com/user/kxxr/media/tools/3K-TJapanq_zps4c1374fc.jpg.html)
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That IS interesting! A spinner top and bottom?
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That IS interesting! A spinner top and bottom?
I have never seen that before "in the wild". In the picture its the first thing that caught my eye.
Do we know if that is common in that brand, or just a limited production or what the deal is?
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kxxr,
The K-T Japanese made ratchet is unusual and interesting. The un-knurled handle looks like it may have sported a rubber grip originally.
Yours is the 1st I've ever seen; you may have a rare one there.
How many teeth/clicks? Does it have a quick release feature?
I like it....
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That IS interesting! A spinner top and bottom?
Papaw,
I suspect the top knurled ring is part of the direction selector; the bottom ring is probably the spinner.
Only kxxr, with a little fiddling, can answer this mystery.
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I haven't seen the K-T brand ever before. It clicks 40 times around. It could have had a covering over the handle as I did scrape off a bit of glue residue on the very end of the handle. If it did have a cover, it's been gone for a while, judging by the tell tale hammer marks on it. The top knurled ring is indeed the selector.
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kxxr,
I've not seen the K-T brand before either. It's a cool looking ratchet though.
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Wow, it's been a while since I have posted a ratchet here. I have picked up quite a few in the past 9 months, but just haven't posted any. I came across this ratchet today after following a link posted by member mvwcnews. There are ratchets far more expensive than Snap On and here is a shot of one, made of titanium. I couldn't find a shot of the other side as of yet. If I do, I'll add it. Near as I can tell, it is made in Spain, but I don't know the company. It would be used where sparkless is required, but is also advertised as a tool for working on MRI machines. The website has many "MRI Safe" tools and they are all very expensive. Here it is, an $830 1/4" drive ratchet.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/71701-UMI-2_zps59885133.jpg) (http://s301.photobucket.com/user/kxxr/media/71701-UMI-2_zps59885133.jpg.html)
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Wow, it's been a while since I have posted a ratchet here. I have picked up quite a few in the past 9 months, but just haven't posted any. I came across this ratchet today after following a link posted by member mvwcnews. There are ratchets far more expensive than Snap On and here is a shot of one, made of titanium. I couldn't find a shot of the other side as of yet. If I do, I'll add it. Near as I can tell, it is made in Spain, but I don't know the company. It would be used where sparkless is required, but is also advertised as a tool for working on MRI machines. The website has many "MRI Safe" tools and they are all very expensive. Here it is, an $830 1/4" drive ratchet.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/71701-UMI-2_zps59885133.jpg) (http://s301.photobucket.com/user/kxxr/media/71701-UMI-2_zps59885133.jpg.html)
$830 for ONE ratchet? Wow!
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Almost looks proto/plomb or Armstrong inspired.
Do you have any other pictures of it,kxxr?
Great thread,by the way.
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Wow, it's been a while since I have posted a ratchet here. I have picked up quite a few in the past 9 months, but just haven't posted any. I came across this ratchet today after following a link posted by member mvwcnews. There are ratchets far more expensive than Snap On and here is a shot of one, made of titanium. I couldn't find a shot of the other side as of yet. If I do, I'll add it. Near as I can tell, it is made in Spain, but I don't know the company. It would be used where sparkless is required, but is also advertised as a tool for working on MRI machines. The website has many "MRI Safe" tools and they are all very expensive. Here it is, an $830 1/4" drive ratchet.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/71701-UMI-2_zps59885133.jpg) (http://s301.photobucket.com/user/kxxr/media/71701-UMI-2_zps59885133.jpg.html)
A while back I read that Mri tools have to be non magnetic because of a mri machines have powerful magnets.
I can't remeber were I read that or if it's even true. That's just what I heard, but makes sense.
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Maybe for working directly on MRI's, but mostly the recent ones are a little easier to work around. There are different strengths that have diffrrent requirements.
15 yrs ago they had to be in their own room, with thick concrete walls and an entrance that had a 90 degree turn, or two. We piped copper pipe to the fire sprinklers. Then the concrete went away, but the walls were lead lined to 8'-0" AFF. Now they are everywhere with nothing more than distance and sheetrock..
My experience is from designing fire sprinklers for various magnetic type machines, including an NMR. It was one of 6 when installed, cost 8 million for the machine only, and the gauss field was so big that they had to design a bump in the exterior buildings brick wall to accomodate it. The only one we had to use magnetic tools around www the NMR. It the room it was in took 2 floor levels. Tha part where you put whatever you were imaging in was about 1 cubic foot. Supposedly, if a ferrous tool stuck to this machine, it could hold you stuck between it and it would cost 10 grand to turn it off to get the errant tool off tge NMR.
That bulge in the exterior bricks was only on the first floor of a 12 story building. They didn't want anyone walking through the gauss field.
Chilly
Because I can't feel I have to get x-rays and MRI's a lot. (If I get bruised and don't know how it got there, for instance.
There have been a lot of improvements to MRI machines. The last MRI I had was last month in November. It was on my right hand so I had to go into the tunnel to a point just below my shoulders. This time I could leave my belt, with a small metal loop buckle, on.
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go to this site;
http://www.universalmedicalinc.com/
they also have a 1/2" combo for $116.00 or around that price.
Frank
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1/4"
Screwball flexhead ratchet with socket rack, USA made
The sockets are Taiwan
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go to this site;
http://www.universalmedicalinc.com/
they also have a 1/2" combo for $116.00 or around that price.
Frank
Maybe they figure that's fair, with hospitals charging $20 for ibuprofin.
Chilly
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Kit - Nice writeup on the CMAN speeder ratchet. Thank you! Not to derail your thread, but I'm interested (spin-off thread) in seeing more of this Giller socket that appears NB.
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I think this may be the second one of these I have gotten, and if so, I probably posted pictures of the other one. We may have a repeat - I don't know, I kind of lost track a while back. Here is a 3/8 drive Indestro USA 6272 that needs a little clean up.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/Indestro1_zpsdc9d2230.jpg) (http://s301.photobucket.com/user/kxxr/media/tools/Indestro1_zpsdc9d2230.jpg.html)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/tools/Indestro2_zps799e771d.jpg) (http://s301.photobucket.com/user/kxxr/media/tools/Indestro2_zps799e771d.jpg.html)
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Love the Indestro pear-heads!
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It's been a while since I have had anything new to post. Here's a Wright MN70 and an Armstrong flex, both 3/8 drive. I haven't seen an MN 70 before and it is unusual. The parts seem a bit loose fittng but it's old and well used. The Armstrong is like new and I had to give big money for it compared to my usual. I had to give $18 for all that shiny chrome.
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(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/0320161706_zps2g9o9jlx.jpg) (http://s301.photobucket.com/user/kxxr/media/0320161706_zps2g9o9jlx.jpg.html)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/kxxr/0320161706a_zpsovb6g1r6.jpg) (http://s301.photobucket.com/user/kxxr/media/0320161706a_zpsovb6g1r6.jpg.html)
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Nice find on the Armstrong. I have several Armstrong ratchets an love them all.
I would of gave 18 dollars in a heartbeat.