Craftsman 10" table saw 113.22417

[Greg]

We have an old Craftsman 10" table saw, model #113.22417.  I haven't been able to find that model number on the web, but we have the original sales papers that list that model number.  We have all the parts for the saw, a dozen or so blades and it seems to run well.  I want to sell this saw, but am pretty confused as to what it is worth.  I've seen some old saws sell for several hundred dollars and others for less than $100. 

We also have an planer from Boice Crane Co.  It is in more rugged condition.  I don't have any paperwork on it, and wasn't able to find a model number.  The motor doesn't turn over on this item. 

My wife's grandfather was a union carpenter in Wisconsin - Milwaukee area for many years.  Time to pass these items along to someone that wants to restore or work with older tools.  The Craftsman in particular seems to be in good shape. 

I'm interested in finding a buyer or someone that can advise me about a price to list them at Craigslist.

Thanks - Greg

[Papaw]

Greg, Tool Talk is not really the place to sell your saw unless a member wishes to deal with you outside the forum.
There are quite a few Sears and Craftsman catalogs available for download, maybe one will help you.
If you can find past sales of similar saws on Ebay you might get an idea what buyers are willing to pay.

[Bill Houghton]

You might go over to Old Woodworking Machines, register, and troll through the buy/sell forum there, called BOYD (for "Bring Out Your Dead" - think of Monty Python).  Do NOT ask for value on any of the other boards; their rules prohibit appraisals, because there are too many factors, including location, that go into something's worth.

Pictures help when selling things.

[ron darner]

[continuing the thought that value includes where something is located]
You say that the original owner was in the Milwaukee area, but don't mention where the tools are now.  I'm about an hour's from Milwaukee myself, and MIGHT be interested.  However, I'd like to state right up front that I am a cheapskate (comes from years of necessity . . .), so if you can find a buyer willing to pay more, go for it!  I am definitely NOT an expert on pricing, except for figuring out what I'd pay for some items for my own use.  Something like the planer, I'd need to see the size and general condition of the machine, maybe figure out whether the motor is likely to be repairable, or replaceable, whether the rest of the mechanism is in working order, if it's on a stand or base of some sort, and on and on. And even here, location matters to some degree: if I need to find a trailer and tow vehicle, it would likely take a better deal to make me drive further.
Do you have a photo of each?

[RWalters]

There are photos of this saw on Milwaukee Craigslist and from the posting, it appears to be in Delafield. If you Google Craftsman 113.22417, all that comes up is this thread and the OP' s Craigslist posting. Which leads me to what I believe is the reason the OP couldn't find any information. Regardless of what the packing slip says, I believe this saw is a 113.22411, a fairly common 10 inch tilt arbor saw. The photo of the data plate isn't clear enough to make out the last digit, but it certainly looks like a 22411. The 113 series saws, made by King Seeley and later by Emerson Electric, were/are great saws. I've owned several and am currently using a restored 27520. They're pretty much bombproof. Not exactly portable, given the cast iron top, and as issued the switch is on the motor base, requiring you to reach over the saw to turn it off. That aside, they're built heavy enough that once they're squared up they stay squared up and the rack and pinion fence is a nice feature. I'm not connected in any way to the person trying to sell their saw, just offering my 2 cents worth.

[ron darner]

Thanks, RWalters.  Price asked is higher than I'd be willing to go.  I tried looking for the Boice-Crane planer the same way, and found reference to an earlier ad in Mequon, with a $500 pricetag, and "...in basement; you remove."  No clue as to condition, no picture.
Found several listings for "Planers" that amused me in various ways.  Some showed ordinary hand planes, but called them "planers".  Others showed portable power planes.  Another showed a 4-1/4" jointer on a stand, and missing its fence (!), but called it a planer.  No Boice-Cranes listed, nor any of the variously misspelled versions I tried.  Also, no luck just going on Craigslist under For Sale - Tools."

[Bill Houghton]

...Some showed ordinary hand planes, but called them "planers"...

In my observation, this is a fairly common misnomer.  So: when we're using a plane(r), we're planing.  And when we use a hammer, we're hamming?

Actually, it demonstrates that the ignorance of common tools out there is breathtakingly broad.

[Branson]

Actually, it demonstrates that the ignorance of common tools out there is breathtakingly broad.

Yep.  And the ads that give a shotgun blast of names hoping one will strike home often show that same breathtaking lack of knowledge or lack of interest in learning what the seller has.  The most recent howler I found was an adjustable hollow auger with four identifications (none was correct) and the last of which was spoke shave.  "Hand forged cast iron" has shown up more times than I can count.

[Bill Houghton]

"Hand forged cast iron" has shown up more times than I can count.

Everyone knows that hand forged cast iron is way, way stronger than the foot forged stuff.

One of my pet peeves is the yard sale advertised as an estate sale.  I've reached the point of tool adequacy that I don't go to yard sales unless there's clear indication of worthy tools; but estate sales, now, you never know what nifty tools might be there.  But half the time, I get there and the sellers have used "estate sale" for a yard sale, either because they're ignorant or (I think this is mostly more likely) they think fancying up the name will get more customers.

I'm going to start offering my condolences to the sellers as I leave (after any purchases).  If they look confused, I'll say, "well, it said estate sale, I assumed someone must have died."