Author Topic: can one of you guys help me out  (Read 3339 times)

0 Members and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline 1930

  • Contributor
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2141
can one of you guys help me out
« on: June 27, 2011, 07:30:43 PM »
Pretty important to me and I am not as comp. smart as Rusty and some of you other guys. This tire pump was issued with D.B tool kits certain years, come to find out it was most probably also issued with Chevrolet toolkits similar years ( late 20 early thirties ) it is stamped on the bottom Pat 1-17-19. I would like to know who manufactured these tire pumps and any other information that is avail. Is this possible, can someone here explain to me how to try and find this or better yet find this information for me and tell me how they did it so I can learn.

Thanks again Bus for that great explanation on how to make my pict. clearer and bigger, it has made a world of difference for me to be able to clearly show what I am trying to post

« Last Edit: June 27, 2011, 07:35:07 PM by 1930 »
Always looking for what interests me, anything early Dodge Brothers/Graham Brothers trucks ( pre 1932 or so ) and slant six / Super six parts.

Offline rusty

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4345
Re: can one of you guys help me out
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2011, 09:06:50 PM »

The patent is for the base, but it probably won't help you much, it is assigned to an individual...

http://www.google.com/patents?id=5IlMAAAAEBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=1,290,796&hl=en&ei=ATUJTsTnAYOztwf6x4Fp&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA
Patent number: 1290796
Filing date: Feb 24, 1917
Issue date: Jan 7, 1919

On the other hand, Motor world has this tidbit:
 Incorporations 1913:
New York, N. Y.—Peerless Motor Specialty Co., under New York laws; authorized capital, $1,500. Corporators—Harry E. Spencer, 60 East 23rd street; Gustave Weinberg, 523 West 143rd street; Ernest M. Culp, 954 Gravesend avenue, Brooklyn.

Just a weathered light rust/WD40 mix patina.

Offline 1930

  • Contributor
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2141
Re: can one of you guys help me out
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2011, 05:18:33 AM »
Harry E- Spencer means something to me but I cant put my finger on it.
Rusty once you get to google patents homepage do you go to the advanced search section?
Always looking for what interests me, anything early Dodge Brothers/Graham Brothers trucks ( pre 1932 or so ) and slant six / Super six parts.

Offline jimwrench

  • Contributor
  • Hero Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 1803
Re: can one of you guys help me out
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2011, 09:17:12 AM »
 Think you got it Rusty,can't be two Ernest M Culps in that area. while looking for this patent found an interesting patent related to hand tire pumps. 1290129 was for devise to attach pump to wheel and rotate wheel to pump up tire. Of course you had to jack up car to begin process. Don't understand why it never caught on.
Jim
Mr. Dollarwrench

Offline 1930

  • Contributor
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2141
Re: can one of you guys help me out
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2011, 07:53:08 PM »
How can I take this further, I would like to find out what name or company sold these pumps.  I have googled the names on the patent but have come up with nothing.

Spencer introduced a vacuum gear shift deal a little later but nothing else that I can find.


Culp was the assignor, what does that mean?
Always looking for what interests me, anything early Dodge Brothers/Graham Brothers trucks ( pre 1932 or so ) and slant six / Super six parts.

Offline rusty

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4345
Re: can one of you guys help me out
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2011, 08:20:13 PM »

>Culp was the assignor, what does that mean?

A patent grants you a monopoly to make something or do something. You can licence other people to make or do that thing. Spencer was the inventor, he gave Culp the licence to make the thing patented. Doing this when the patent is filed is easy and convenient which is why we see the asignments in the patents, it can also be done after the fact, however when assigned that way, we can't see it in the patent documents...

Given that Spencer and Culp were both principals in Motor Spec Co, my guess would be that Spencer was the inventor, and Culp was the money man.

The assignment to a person instead of a company is a little odd, not not all that much so, it may just be it was financially convenient (for example not showing the patent as an asset on the company books) or it could be the two were think of starting their own business and not telling their employers....(stranger things have happened)

>How can I take this further

Google the names in google books, use advanced search, ***always*** check 'search free books only' , you don't care about them being free, but, to be out of copyright, they have to be old, and that's the fastest easiest way to restrict the date ; P

Also, backwards searching may yield something, look for patents assigned to Motor Spec co, and see who else is involved...Finding more inventors may lead to other companies that the inventors were dealing with...

The other thing is to try to find a list of distributors that carries stuff for Motor Spec, google books is a good place to start there. (Tip: search for 'automotive jobbers' rather than 'distributors' for that time period)

PS: To be fair here, I cheated a little finding the patent, I have stuff on my machine that is very hard to find with google patents in that date range, the OCR isn't very good for patents before the 40's...

Just a weathered light rust/WD40 mix patina.

Offline 1930

  • Contributor
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2141
Re: can one of you guys help me out
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2011, 05:10:41 PM »
Thanks for the suggestions Rusty
Always looking for what interests me, anything early Dodge Brothers/Graham Brothers trucks ( pre 1932 or so ) and slant six / Super six parts.

Offline 1930

  • Contributor
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2141
Re: can one of you guys help me out
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2011, 05:45:24 PM »
What can you say about this Rusty.....http://www.google.com/patents?id=JhVlAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&dq=1357544&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=1#v=onepage&q&f=false

Also would there have been different patents issued as design changes took place, this original design does not match what I have completely although the desc. surely does.

Also if another manuf. used the same sort of design principle would he have had to place the orig. patant # on the pump.
I would say it would be tough to get a patent for a pump that uses a stamped steel base and be the only one that is able to ever make a pump with a stamped steel base???
« Last Edit: June 29, 2011, 09:42:07 PM by 1930 »
Always looking for what interests me, anything early Dodge Brothers/Graham Brothers trucks ( pre 1932 or so ) and slant six / Super six parts.