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Offline Art Rafael

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« Reply #360 on: June 18, 2014, 12:52:12 PM »
Thanks, Branson.  I remember how you were able to appreciate the silver table vise and other pieces - and now the brass jack.  Thanks again.
I would appreciate it if you were to post pictures of that old jack.  I'm still looking for just the right one and have seen some screw type jacks, but haven't light on any mostly because I don't know how to cut gears and don't seen to have proper equipment to do so.  So, I'd also appreciate instruction / lessons / advise on how to build gears.  I'm also still looking for one that I remember from the olden days.  As I remember, it did ratchet up mechanically, and a small click lever held it up while the handle was lowered to ratchet up another stroke on a rack type (vs gear) apparatus / component.  It worked similarly in the lowering mode.  I'd appreciate all the help I can get.   

Thanks, Chilly.  How are things in Mile High?  No, I didn't color the solder joints.  When I solder gold items, I use gold solder (very expensive), but when I solder brass (or silver) I use silver solder which assumes / absorbs the color of the primary metal - yellow brass -  just like pure gold when alloyed with small amounts of silver to reduce its kt retains the color of gold.  However, when gold is alloyed with greater quantities of silver as in 10kt (40%gold and 60% silver) it all assumes the color of the major metal (silver), thus "white gold".  10kt yellow gold also includes quantities of copper to retain its yellow color.  And we have learned to alloy various colors of gold - blue, pink, etc by mixing proportions of different alloy metals to produce the color and kt desired.  Sorry, such a winded response to a simple (though complicated) question.  Ralph
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« Reply #361 on: June 18, 2014, 04:06:35 PM »
Ralph,

Denvers great, I need to go down to to your neck of the woods later this week. Auction items (old tools, tool box, boxes) to pick up.

I understand the alloys and coloring somewhat, I work in precious metals too. I am a fabricator more than a caster, so I really appreciate your work on this one. I get my silver at auction. I usually can get it for less than $0.50 per gram which works out to $16.00 to $17.00 per oz troy. More than I paid for formed sheet / wire 5 8ish yrs ago.  If you count the jewelry Mrs. Chilly high grades, my cost is more!

I had heard of a technique using spent (very blue) pickle.  They wrapped a toothpick end tight in steel wool, dipped it in the pickle, and the copper precipitated from the pickle onto solder when the loaded steel wool was rubbed on the join. It basically plated the join copper color. Thats why I asked if you had colored it. I wanted to learn how.

I'm going to try my hand at making some miniatures, following your lead.  I need to refinish a lot of tools and complete my drawbench first. Your work is inspiring and creative.  Keep it up.

Regards,

Chilly

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« Reply #362 on: June 18, 2014, 05:32:23 PM »
Hey Chilly, I didn't mean to patronize - didn't realize that you are so well versed in precious metals - better, it seems, than I am, since I didn't grasp the gravity of your question.  Coloring as you present it is not something that is familiar to me.  I want to learn electroplating but just haven't been able to take that leap.  I also need to learn engraving, but don't know if I have enough lifetimes to do all that having spent several teaching myself pattern making, model making, casting, fabricating, brazing, silver soldering, etc. etc.  I'm sure that you know what I mean.

Anyway, you may consider stopping by when you are near if you have time, but don't expect to see much.  I run a very spartan operation and most of what I do is on makeshift equipment and on guts alone.  Never could afford all that expensive equipment, but I get some done by virtue of stuff I've gleaned throughout.  Ralph

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« Reply #363 on: June 18, 2014, 09:09:40 PM »
Art, when you mention ratchet jack, are you referring to the old style automobile bumper jack ?

they also made a short axle jack that had a ratchet action that turned a screw type lift shaft.

I have another eye doctor appointment coming up, after I get thru with that, I will scout around
my garage to see if I can locate a few jacks, yes, even wagon jacks. ( hopefully they are not buried)

Frank

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« Reply #364 on: June 18, 2014, 09:12:01 PM »
Hi, All.  The action video of the miniature wagon lever jack is completed and posted on Youtube:


http://youtu.be/EQiS_-uEK3U



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« Reply #365 on: June 19, 2014, 05:26:50 PM »
Hi, Frank.  I do hope and expect that all will go well with your eye procedure.  Then maybe you can help me find that mechanical lever jack that I'm looking for.  I'm don't mean an old car bumper jack but more of a small railroad or house lifting jack that can lift more than the single throw that the wagon jack does.  It must be a smaller axle jack that I am thinking about but not one with ratcheting gears just one that  works very much like the wagon jack but can lift for several strokes.   I'd appreciate pictures from anyone on this matter or I'll have to seriously sit down and reinvent the mechanism.   Thanks in advance.   Ralph 
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« Reply #366 on: June 19, 2014, 07:53:55 PM »
Here's one from 1850 that ratchets....
Just a weathered light rust/WD40 mix patina.

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« Reply #367 on: June 19, 2014, 08:24:33 PM »
Thanks, Rusty.  That is close to what I had in mind.   Interesting configuration with four finger-like components at the jack end of the lever.  I can see how the parts interact and find it interesting that it can lift at both the top and bottom ends of the post.   I'll study it some as I continue to look for examples.  Ralph

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« Reply #369 on: June 24, 2014, 10:54:26 PM »
Here is my RR jack.  First I'll say its heavy, stands 24 inches tall.   Uses a pipe/bar up to 2.5 inches as a handle.   Has lifted many a tractor axle, upwards of 3 ton.  Will also jack up buildings.  Quite a mechanism inside, upper and lower pawls.   Can't take the center post out, goes out the bottom, but the top square lift plate is peened on.  The name on it is DUFF MFG.  Allegheny PA.  Barretts, Pat. 1884 and 1886.   Is also marked No.1, cast into the upper part.  Now to bore you all I'll tell how it came to be mine.   In the 20s, my father was growing up on a farm in Illinois that the Illinois Central RR ran through.   There was a big derailment, and my fathers family went out to watch the big stuff put the train back upright.   Later, my father and his little brother spotted two RR jacks left in the weeds at the edge of their field.    They carried them on the stones of the track shoulder.   Nearly a year later they were still laying there.  Figuring the RR had no need for them anymore, they went down with team and wagon, brought the jacks home and put them in the barn.   The 30s came and went, as well as WWII.  In 1948 my parents were visiting Illinois,  and brought this jack back to Nebraska.  As long as I can recall, my dad used it to lift the tractors, to slide the wheels in or out.  I have looked it over closely, and has no RR stampings, none, where other railroad tools are well marked.   So, Art you wanted a pic of a heavy wagon or RR jack, here it is. 
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« Reply #370 on: June 25, 2014, 01:49:56 PM »
Thanks Les.  That is a beauty,  I'll study it more.   Ralph

Thanks John.  That jack is the type that I am looking for, though it is size large.  Yet it does ratchet up, lock into place and ratchet up again as I am looking for.  I just can't yet visualize how the internal components work.  Ralph

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« Reply #371 on: June 25, 2014, 10:20:52 PM »
Hi Art
I love your work and vids.
I took johns pic and drew some crude lines to show another
style that I used on my dads farm.

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« Reply #372 on: June 25, 2014, 10:24:20 PM »
That turned out worse then expected.
I'll take a pic of said jack and post it on sat.

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« Reply #373 on: June 26, 2014, 10:54:13 AM »
Thanks,  couchspring.  I do appreciate your efforts and think that I understand your indicated modifications.  Just a little more help would do it.  Any way you could take pics of the inside mechanism?   Ralph

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« Reply #374 on: June 26, 2014, 08:00:45 PM »
There is a jack now on ebay, what I had in mind originally.   Had one just like at one time, til a neighbor broke it.   Seller is: Inspectacles, under Collectibles, tools, ::: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Vtg-CAST-IRON-Horse-BUGGY-Wagon-TRACTOR-Farm-AUTOMOBILE-Car-JACK-Works-/121371512115?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c424e4d33.   Going hunting for another this winter on farm sales, not spending 125 bucks for one either.    Be a lot simpler to duplicate in miniature, then the big one I posted.    I believe this is the model Couchspring has in mind. 
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