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Alloy Artifacts
« on: September 29, 2012, 09:24:49 PM »
Does anyone have any word on AA  and their "personal time off"?

I had an email asking me and I don't know any more than I read on their contact page.
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Re: Alloy Artifacts
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2012, 10:07:35 PM »

No, been that way for quite a while now, someone is still maintaining the site and updating minor things from time to time, but no contact email. Perhaps annoyed by the slobbering masses asking for ebay pricing all the time, dunno....

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Re: Alloy Artifacts
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2012, 05:20:07 AM »
He has not purchased any tools on ebay for like six months.  I will try to find out.
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Re: Alloy Artifacts
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2012, 06:00:24 AM »
We can not afford to loose  AA . iF IT COMES DOWN TO THAT i THINK ENOUGH OF US CAN HELP WITH AN ANNUAL DUES SORT OF THING   BOB W.
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Re: Alloy Artifacts
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2012, 06:28:31 AM »
Since my involvement with tool collecting, I've recognized it has a risk of not being sustained.  Anything that "closed door" has a limited life - IMO.  Don't get me wrong, I know there is some powerful stuff there, but I worry about its lifespan.

I'm a huge fan of "open source"; that is, divulgance of all information, pride of peer recognition  for "free" work by those who love the subject, open for all contributions of subject area expertise/knowledge, multiple work paths in parallel, and with defects more readily found and corrected.

We have the community of knowledge.  What is missing is the data capture and presentation layers.  I often feel the net needs a "wiki" of tools.  As an example - I know that I could tell a fact-based NYE Tool & Die and Thorsen Tool Co. story unlike any other published on the net......but where am I to do that other than in a top-down thread here (where someone like me is liable to come along and chat about their tire wear).  I have no doubt there are many members here in the same situation; authoritative in their field of tool collecting focus, but with limitations in how it may be shared with the world.

I'm sitting back for now observing - but when this problem "bothers" me enough I'm taking a stab at leading it.  This is not a problem "one man" can fix, and a "one man fix" is not sustainable IMO.
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Re: Alloy Artifacts
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2012, 08:35:15 AM »
I would think one of the big wrench collector organizations would be able to run it.
Has he collected all those tools?
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Re: Alloy Artifacts
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2012, 01:24:44 PM »
Yes, I think all but one pic on his site are his tools. 
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« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2012, 01:49:17 PM »
DAT was started (directory of American Toolmakers) by my friend Bob Nelson and several others, and then became DATAMP
http://www.datamp.org/
 
 This should be our model. I am willing to help a little (in my limited way) if we would strive to build an open source mechanics tool haven.

 I corresponded with the AA guy (don't remember his name offhand) long before the site got so big and popular.  He wasn't easy to get along with even then. Didn't want my pictures of stuff he didn't have, even offered freely.
 The site will definitely go down eventually. One man shows don't last. 
 I have seen it happen with many others.
 
 The first big electrolysis how-to site is totally gone. (I did some work on that one)
 The big sawset directory is gone.
 The Stanley plane dating /timeline pages and the original make your own spokeshave pages were rescued by grace of the Wayback and resurrected, at least mostly.
 The first big Millers Falls site is iffy. Comes and goes. 
On and on.

  Galoot Image Central is basically gone.
  Jim Esten dumped it one day out of the blue, but Wiktor Kuc is propping it up long enough for everyone to move their images.  Should you have pictures there you don't have copies of, get them now.
 Speaking of which Wik's wkfinetools.com is by far the largest of its type on the net, and could be simply walked away from, at a moments notice.

 No one has said anything, but Eric's Disstonian Institute is so big and beautiful and important now, it desperately deserves to be supported and saved no matter what happens.

 The web is terribly large now but still terribly fragile.
Kitty could close down. Hundreds of original animated characters could simply disappear from human knowledge. Not like books, there is no real backup for future generations to find and savor.

 History will mark us as,
  The internet pioneers, much of which has been lost.
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Re: Alloy Artifacts
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2012, 04:45:36 PM »
We can not afford to loose  AA . iF IT COMES DOWN TO THAT i THINK ENOUGH OF US CAN HELP WITH AN ANNUAL DUES SORT OF THING   BOB W.

I agree we can't lose the resource that is AA.

I check in there from time to time, waiting to see if he's back from his "adventure". Still no word from him. Beginning to wonder.
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Re: Alloy Artifacts
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2012, 05:01:33 PM »
You forgot to mention the crash of tool talk 2011
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Re: Alloy Artifacts
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2012, 07:16:33 PM »
I think Tool Talk is better backed up now, but things happen.
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Re: Alloy Artifacts
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2012, 07:30:16 PM »
I think Tool Talk is better backed up now, but things happen.

YES - When my first child was born I started watching pictures taken galore and in this day of digital photography I got paranoid.  I purchased a dedicated "server" with 4 hard drives in a raid 5 array.  I had a data replication method in place to "instantly mirror" it to a sister server; that itself had two hard drives mirrored.  Both had tape backups also.  They were stored in a raised floor server room I had built on the first floor of the house.  Rack mounted.  Fans galore.  It was climate controlled independent of the house, and power conditioned.

I have lost my pictures of my first born's first 8 months.  In all my thinking, I never considered divorce.

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Re: Alloy Artifacts
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2012, 10:34:30 PM »
AA is, in my estimation, one of the best sites ever created.

I'd hate to lose that site.

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« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2012, 02:33:26 AM »
I agree AA is a very valuable site. It would be a blow to lose it. I think a group to assist or take over sites that the owners are unable or unwilling to maintain is a workable idea. I have little idea what it would require.

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Re: Alloy Artifacts
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2012, 03:32:04 AM »
I use AA first to look-up information, it would be a great loss of information if it went off.
anyway it can be archived? so in case it turns off, the information isn't lost.
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