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Offline bonneyman

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Re: Thorsen tools collection
« Reply #120 on: March 28, 2013, 07:05:22 PM »
I picked up this partial set today.
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Re: Thorsen tools collection
« Reply #121 on: April 02, 2013, 09:30:33 PM »
I picked up this partial set today.

The top two are my personal favorites of the Thorsen wrench styles.
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Re: Thorsen tools collection
« Reply #122 on: July 05, 2013, 10:24:12 PM »
As an update - a few additions:

Thorsen Model 18 3/4" drive break-over
Dayton branded 4X9911 3/8" drive flex head ratchet - It is a Thorsen 77JNR rebranded
My first Thorsen hammer.  It was buried in a lot of hammers; a BP20-AL
Thorsen USA GJ-10 water pump pliers
My first Thorsen obstruction wrench - Model 2518 5/8" x 9/16"
Thorsen Model 1612 7/16" x 3/8" DBE
Thorsen Model 2116 9/16" x 1/2" offset DBE
A cherry model 3016 9/16" x 1/2 DOE
a slotted driver I found at the pawn just today
and a partial 1/4" drive set - Set #1411

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Re: Thorsen tools collection
« Reply #123 on: July 06, 2013, 10:54:25 AM »
Nice score on the group. The hammer, pliers and obstruction wrench are not often seen in my neck of the woods.

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Re: Thorsen tools collection
« Reply #124 on: July 07, 2013, 08:36:14 PM »
Here are some thorsen I picked up at a hardware store closing auction.


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Re: Thorsen tools collection
« Reply #125 on: July 07, 2013, 08:37:47 PM »
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« Reply #126 on: July 07, 2013, 08:38:53 PM »
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Re: Thorsen tools collection
« Reply #127 on: July 07, 2013, 09:18:58 PM »
Here are some thorsen I picked up at a hardware store closing auction.

Very nice!
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« Reply #128 on: August 13, 2013, 02:49:37 PM »
Hey OR,

Your Thorsen collection takes me down memory lane! Just a bit of trivia... as my after school job when I was in High School, I would drive my pickup to Thorsen and pick up binfulls of tools that were seconds and grind the Thorsen name off. Thorsen gave a lifetime guarantee like Craftsman. They paid me by the pound to do this so their 'rejects' wouldn't come back as warranty items. I remember hours that I sat at a bench grinder in my garage piling up steel dust for $0.50 per lb. FYI, it takes about 12-20 3/8" sockets to make one pound!

The upside: all my friends and I had excellent, well stocked tool boxes for teenagers! This was about 1973-1975. I still have alot of those sockets and wrenches today.

Thanks for the memory!

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Re: Thorsen tools collection
« Reply #129 on: August 13, 2013, 07:58:00 PM »
Hey OR,

Your Thorsen collection takes me down memory lane! Just a bit of trivia... as my after school job when I was in High School, I would drive my pickup to Thorsen and pick up binfulls of tools that were seconds and grind the Thorsen name off. Thorsen gave a lifetime guarantee like Craftsman. They paid me by the pound to do this so their 'rejects' wouldn't come back as warranty items. I remember hours that I sat at a bench grinder in my garage piling up steel dust for $0.50 per lb. FYI, it takes about 12-20 3/8" sockets to make one pound!

The upside: all my friends and I had excellent, well stocked tool boxes for teenagers! This was about 1973-1975. I still have alot of those sockets and wrenches today.

Thanks for the memory!

Clayton

Howdy, Clayton.  I appreciate you sharing your experience.  Interesting part of the business, and a practice I didn't know existed.  You were in the Dallas area during this time?  Pickup was at a Thorsen factory?  Please do share those tools.
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« Reply #130 on: August 13, 2013, 10:39:51 PM »
Shedding light on the Giller / Thorsen connection would also be an important discussion for all of us.  The nature of the relationship, and its details, are completely unclear prior to 1968.  I'm still of the belief there are pre-1968 Giller branded tools that were produced by Thorsen - or to their specs, or leveraging their machinery/factory, or purchasing style rights.....something.  In the past couple days I've seen a 1966 stamped Giller box that certainly appears to be Thorsen made to me.  Many of the Giller tools coming from government auctions also appear to be earlier (40's?) Thorsen tools rebranded.  I'd like to know for certain if Giller (branded tools) was as simple as a Thorsen brand name for government contract tools, or if the relationship was more complex.

I'd also throw the possibility of a Kraeuter connection; at least for a period of time.  I do so because of the similarity of certain vintage Kraeuter's to Thorsen tools, and the fact one set of New Old Stock Thorsen wrenches came with a 10mm Kraeauter inside.

Lastly while we discuss branding - let's put a potential for a Pwr-Kraft connection in there as well.  Many times I've surfaced a "Powr-Kraft" branded tool that appeared Thorsen made.

All of the above is strong suspicion based on research and needs attestation before I will document it as fact.  I have so many questions that could potentially be answered by this gentleman.  I'm sure hopeful he responds again.

Hey OR,

I posted about grinding the Thorsen name off of seconds so they wouldn't come back to the company as warranty items.

As to Giller/ PwrKraft/ Thorsen connection... yes, Thorsen was definitely the Mfg of Giller and Pwrkraft in their Dallas facility where I picked up bins of tools at a time.I still have a few Giller box wrenches and many PwrKraft (mostly metric) 3/8 and 1/4 drive sockets that I got from Thorsen facility here in Dallas back in the mid 70's.
That reject pile of tools could have been mfg in earlier years, but they all came from Thorsen.

really enjoying your thread-

Clayton

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« Reply #131 on: August 28, 2013, 08:54:08 PM »
According to a San Francisco State classmate of mine in the early 1970s, who worked for Thorsen in Emeryville, Thorsen's plant was very much worn down and dragged out when Thorsen won the contract to make PowrKraft tools for Montgomery Ward in 1970 or so.  He also said that Thorsen was probably the last commercial maker of flat wrenches in the U S to forge wrenches one end at a time, and that this explained why same-part-number Thorsen wrenches varied so much in length . . . the blank length for any given run could be adjusted to get an extra wrench or two out of each 20-foot "stick" of barstock if necessary, and sometimes the last piece of the bar was of a different length than the previous pieces.

Thorsen was also unusually casual about slipping Thorsen-branded tools into Action (Thorsen's economy brand) and private-label-branded tool sets, even after the Dallas plant was operational.  I bought Powr-Kraft socket and combination wrench sets in the early 1970s that contained several Thorsen-branded tools, and a set of Action 3/8 inch drive metric sockets (according to the hang card) in the late 1970s containing ONLY Thorsen-branded sockets.  Other-label tools in Thorsen sets seemed to me to be rarer, but not unknown.

Also in the late 1970s, I bought a Herbrand 1/2 inch drive, 7/8 inch hex deep socket (again, according to the hang card) that was, in reality, an aircraft spark plug socket that had been double-stamped with both the Bonney and Thorsen names.  When I noticed the erroneous markings, I went back to the store (a Gibson's discount store) and checked the remaining stock.  No more double-stamping, but the half-dozen or so sockets on the peg were marked either Bonney or Thorsen.

It's pure speculation on my part, but I suspect that Triangle Tool (Bonney's parent company) subcontracted non-cataloged aircraft spark plug sockets to Thorsen, which shipped a mixture of Bonney-branded and Thorsen-branded sockets that, for some reason or another, Triangle decided to get rid of by packaging them under the name of their economy line, Herbrand.

I'll also speculate on the Kraeuter-branded combination wrench discussed earlier.  By the late 1970s, Kraeuter was Dresser Industries' economy line of wrenches and sockets.  Kraeuter-branded sockets and drivers were obviously badge-engineered S-Ks, but the flat wrenches were from distinctly different forgings.  S-K flat wrenches of the time had "raised panel" shanks, the Kraeuter flat wrenches flat shanks.  It seems entirely reasonable to me that Dresser / S-K might have contracted production of the Kraeuter-branded flat wrenches (and subcontracted production of Klein-branded flat wrenches, which Klein had contracted to Dresser / S-K) to Thorsen.

Next, after Dresser Industries sold their S-K Hand Tool business to Facom, in the early 1980s, S-K introduced a short-lived line of economical S-K branded tools that were generally stamped only with their size and an S-K-in-diamond brand.  The economy model S-K ratchet was obviously a cross between a Facom mechanism and an S-K "Professional" ratchet body (These ratchets are relatively rare, and are often spoken of as the S-K Frankenstein ratchet because the shifter and pawl are combined into a side-to-side sliding bolt through the neck of the ratchet.)  The sockets S-K supplied in the sets containing these ratchets were visibly different than their Chicago-made sockets (which were mostly still being screw-machined and broached), looking for all the world like the cold-formed sockets Thorsen manufactured in Dallas.

Still more . . . years ago I ran across a newspaper article that reported that Thorsen Tool had been unable to fulfill a U S government contract for sockets due to "teething pains" with their new manufacturing equipment, and that the government was forcing Thorsen to purchase sockets from other makers, at higher prices than Thorsen was selling them to the government, to meet their contractual obligation.  I would not be surprised if the government's action was the proverbial "final straw" for Thorsen.

Finally, I have wondered for years if the Thorsen's Dallas plant became, after Thorsen's demise, the National Hand Tool Dallas plant that made Blackhawk-branded and Husky-branded mechanics tools after New Britain Machine sold off their tool business and shuttered the (North or South, I forget) Carolina factory.


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Re: Thorsen tools collection
« Reply #132 on: August 29, 2013, 09:57:18 PM »
Hi John,

I've also noted the various lengths of Thorsen wrenches.  At least two of their catalogs make reference to "short pattern" and "long pattern" wrenches (both having the same model number).  Was their machining practice the result of their catalog offering, or was the catalog offering the result of the process?

I agree Thorsen had common practice of slipping "Thorsen" branded tools into Action tool sets.  I've seen several examples where all of the tools within an Action set were Thorsen branded, and many examples with both Action and Thorsen branding within.

I have a "New Old Stock" set of Thorsen metric wrenches that dates to the 70's.  They were pristine as was the packaging when received and were believably "NOS".  The 10mm was branded "Kraeuter" with all others Thorsen.  There are pictures of that set within this thread.

I have not once stopped to question what became of any of their factories.  It would be interesting to know as a matter of fact.

Thorsen's USA production days do not date "that" far back, so I must believe there are folks around that could share the story first hand.  It was be nice to hear from someone off the production line, a member of the management team, or from Roy's son again.

We appreciate you sharing your story here.
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Re: Thorsen tools collection
« Reply #133 on: August 30, 2013, 08:09:33 PM »
In very good working condition; a Thorsen model 79 3/4" ratchet with removable drive plug.





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Re: Thorsen tools collection
« Reply #134 on: August 30, 2013, 09:28:03 PM »
Love your latest additions, Oily. Could always tell those yellow with teal tipped Thorsen drivers from a mile away.

I forgot I had a Thorsen 6" slip-joint plier hanging in the shop.
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