Hello, Guys. Okay, I think I've got it!! The Double Square are the 10 Points, and I agree with Ray, these are the most effective. Here are a few more, Craftsman H logo 1/4" Drive Double Square Sockets ( in the tray on the left) and a couple 3/8 Drive. Outside the box are Wrights, I can see where you would get in trouble with these, the broaches are far from crisp. Around here, the 10 Point , or, Double Square , pops up fairly often, the true 8 Points (I sit corrected), are very hard to find. Regards, Lou