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Offline Kozzy

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Better ID help on a couple of tools
« on: February 27, 2017, 01:18:07 PM »
As the new kid on the block, I was hoping the folks here could help me a bit with a couple of tools I need better ID on.  I work with the Eastern Washington Agricultural Museum here in Pomeroy WA.  It's a Non-profit museum operated jointly with the county to focus on agricultural history.

Usually when someone drops a tool on my desk, I can dig out enough information but on these two, it's a bit of a dead end on the internet.  That's a bit frustrating because both are clearly marked and I though they'd be the easy ones  :smiley: 

#1 is a Blackhawk quad-socket wrench marked Blackhawk 2242.  Sockets are 6 pt 1/2, 9/16, 5/8, and 3/4.  There is a single photo of the same tool to be found on the web but no other information.  Other than the obvious, does anyone have a handle on the rough era and if it was designed for a specific purpose or industry?  I notice that Blackhawk did have some triple socket wrenches that were similar for some specific automotive tasks.  I'd just like to be able to say more than "Yup, it's a socket wrench" if there is any more to say.

# 2 is marked OTC No 627.  I can't find another Owatonna Tool Co chisel that is similar to this or a reference to the part number.  My guess was either an oil groove cleaner or for use similar to a cape chisel with keyways (3/8" wide) but I need more than a guess.  I was hoping someone might recognize the form and be able to tell me a proper name and use for this style of chisel.

Thanks for any help you folks might be able to give.  I'm sure I'll be annoying you again as more tools get dumped in my office


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Re: Better ID help on a couple of tools
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2017, 02:05:51 PM »
Welcome to Tool Talk!

You can download a 1953 Blackhawk Catalog here- (Thanks LB!)http://www.mediafire.com/file/33h2cjzuk388zia/Blackhawk+1953+%28W-101%29+Catalogue.pdf

Not sure your wrench will be there because I think those were much earlier production.

More likely in this one from 1926- (Thanks Twertsy!) https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2SPFEeFsHQHbFJZamFFOXJBM00/view
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Re: Better ID help on a couple of tools
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2017, 02:24:59 PM »
From the 1926 catalog.

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Re: Better ID help on a couple of tools
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2017, 02:38:23 PM »
Wow, thanks!  I searched for an online blackhawk catalog and couldn't find one.  I appreciate the help. 

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Re: Better ID help on a couple of tools
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2017, 02:53:22 PM »
that one went to the late 30's. In some of the catalogs it was listed as a wrench for Ford T's and A's.
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Re: Better ID help on a couple of tools
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2017, 02:55:17 PM »
Hello, kozzy, and welcome to Tool Talk. I am going to take a guess at the OTC, Possibly a body/fender tool, "panel cutter" ,  or a muffler tool. Regards, Lou
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Re: Better ID help on a couple of tools
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2017, 03:07:07 PM »
a couple of page grabs
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Re: Better ID help on a couple of tools
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2017, 03:30:53 PM »
The OTC if not a cape chisel it may be a ball race punch
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Re: Better ID help on a couple of tools
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2017, 09:45:08 PM »
  the Blackhawk looks like Waldens, for working on the Ford model T'S

  THE OTHER TOOL, is the end rounded ? not sharp ?  maybe for breaking the tire beads on the
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Re: Better ID help on a couple of tools
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2017, 07:32:05 AM »
bill300d, I'm not sure what a ball race punch is, but the OTC tool reminds me of a different chisel used to break out axle bearing retaining rings on old Ford tractors (and some not so old cars).
The ring would be drilled with a special jig and the chisel hammered into the hole til the ring split.
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Re: Better ID help on a couple of tools
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2017, 01:44:15 PM »
The business end of the chisel is straight crosswise and looks like a standard heavily-worn-down cold chisel tip.  However, looking closer, the wear is significantly greater on the right than the left side.  That might imply coming at something like a bearing race face along the curvature rather than crosswise to spin it out.  The curve simply doesn't work for a "cutting chisel" because the outer curve would be in the way of the impact transferring to the tip.  But...it's clearly been mushroomed from a hammer so it has been beat on.  I'm leaning toward some sort of removal tool now.

Thank you all again for the suggestions and help.

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Re: Better ID help on a couple of tools
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2017, 04:51:36 PM »
It looks similar to grooving chisels, which I think, but am not sure were used to cut oil grooves in Babbitt bearings.