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Offline Twilight Fenrir

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Flea market finds
« on: July 27, 2014, 04:47:25 PM »
While nothing too terribly interesting, these are the small tools I picked up at a flea market today... not pictured, is a leg vise I picked up for $27  :grin: And a sheet-metal hole punch kit, with all of the dies n.n As well as a hand-crank bench grinder

Everything pictured was $2.00, except the hammers... which, I probably paid too much for. But the big rectangular one was just too pretty, and I liked the feel of the ball pein. Looks like it has a horse-shoe mark in it, but I'm almost certain it's not an Atha :/

I saw a knife at a fur trade Rendezvous the other day made out of a sheep shear, hence why I grabbed those two. Looked easy enough to make. The two pliers were just really interesting. The lower ones with the finger-notches are REALLY comfortable to hold. And the upper ones are just bizarre, having the wire cutter off to one side. No idea what the two tong-like things were INTENDED for, but the one with the two balls at the end will be perfect for a texturing idea I have...




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Re: Flea market finds
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2014, 05:37:45 PM »
Tongs type thing next to the pliers is a bull lead. A piece of rope is threaded through the holes and they close on the bull's nose or nose ring. Long rope required if I'm using them.

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Re: Flea market finds
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2014, 07:00:11 PM »
Bull lead for sure, for when you got to get a bull by the nose!   The other tong affair is a brake spring pliers for drum brakes, especially pickups.   You got a good bunch.
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Re: Flea market finds
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2014, 07:04:37 PM »
Nice Bonney brake spring tool there!
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Re: Flea market finds
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2014, 07:08:16 PM »
Bull lead for sure, for when you got to get a bull by the nose!   The other tong affair is a brake spring pliers for drum brakes, especially pickups.   You got a good bunch.
Sweet! I need to redo the drum brakes on my '86 F250 Dually TDI :D I've always just used a big honking screwdriver for all of the springs :P

As for the Bull Lead... I saw a piece of wrought iron that had been stuck in the ground a bit, and it had rotted away, leaving almost perfect hemispheres in this really neat, tapering, rotting look... I think, sticking a piece of (hot) steel between these balls and smacking it with a  hammer, it might be possible to replicate this look, to some extent... remains to be seen :P
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Re: Flea market finds
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2014, 10:57:54 PM »
I know that look, I have hammers and stakes for silversmithing.

 If those bull leads don't work, get a couple of jewelers daps and use those.   I'd be real interested in seeing if you can get that sharp edge between craters.

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Re: Flea market finds
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2014, 06:20:34 AM »
Don't think the bull lead will work as a top/bottom ball fuller, but give it a try. Will probably break as most of those are cast.

Easy to do, though. Use a small ball peen hammer as the top tool, weld a ball bearing of matching size on a plate for the bottom, with a hardy shank to hold it on the anvil. Easy to make and works great.
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Re: Flea market finds
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2014, 07:30:28 AM »
Yeah, I was wondering about the sharp edges too... Might need two pair of them, keeping one clamped in place while working the other, to force the metal between them. Otherwise it might jist deform the other craters...

I dunno, will try it and see! Experimentation is half the fun! If they break, no big deal...

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Re: Flea market finds
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2014, 04:16:31 PM »
And the upper ones are just bizarre, having the wire cutter off to one side.

Those are, or at least sure look like, Bernard parallel action pliers.  Neat design.  I used to have two pair, but now my younger son has one pair and I have one.  On mine (and I think on his), the pliers are marked "Bernard" in a smooth space amidst knurling on the handles, and "W. Schollhorn Co., New Haven, Conn./Made in U.S.A." around the main handle rivet, visible when you hold the pliers so that the cutter is off to the side.

Some history from the company, still proudly in business: http://www.sargenttools.com/About/Our-History/.
And a product page, listing the pliers, still proudly in production: http://www.sargenttools.com/ToolsByTrade/industrial/

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Re: Flea market finds
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2014, 01:54:45 AM »
Nice catch, Bill H.!  I went downstairs to check my pair BEFORE I got to your post.  On the string-tag I attached to mine, it says my Bernard parallel-jaw pliers were made ca. 1913-1948.  Not sure why that age range (and don't remember where I found the info on the tag), but I notice that while mine has "Bernard" on BOTH handles amidst the knurling, it also says "Bernard" on the side opposite the "Schollhorn" around what on my set is a bolt with one end a slot-head screwdriver slot and the other side (I'm guessing w/o taking a driver to them) a simple rounded hollow(?) bolt end.  Oh yeah, and my tag says the patent date (which I can't read on mine) refers to the method of forming the sheet metal handles.  I too used to have another pair but a friend wanted them badly — offered me $20 for them, but I countered with $10 (he's a really good friend; I'd just screwed up my face when he offered to buy them).  I remember needing those parallel jaws for one particular task once and don't recall the task, but that's why I originally grinched at my friend.
     Oh yeah, the product listing page-link you shared…, the next tool to the right of those may be the descending/ascending-sized holes "pliers" (crimping tool, actually).
     In any case, as usual I enjoyed hitchhiking along on this thread.  Thanks, everyone.

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Re: Flea market finds
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2014, 07:24:26 PM »
The Bull leads didn't break when I hit them... but they sure did bend :/ But, then, the point where I am smacking it isn't in line with the balls either. I'll try heating them up, and bending them down so the striking area is directly over the working area, and try again in the future.

Those are, or at least sure look like, Bernard parallel action pliers.  Neat design.  I used to have two pair, but now my younger son has one pair and I have one.  On mine (and I think on his), the pliers are marked "Bernard" in a smooth space amidst knurling on the handles, and "W. Schollhorn Co., New Haven, Conn./Made in U.S.A." around the main handle rivet, visible when you hold the pliers so that the cutter is off to the side.

Some history from the company, still proudly in business: http://www.sargenttools.com/About/Our-History/.
And a product page, listing the pliers, still proudly in production: http://www.sargenttools.com/ToolsByTrade/industrial/
Well, those sure LOOK like the same pliers I have... Except... Mine are made in Germany :3

The mark is in the same place, but right now it's VERY difficult to read... These pliers have been through hell....



"FALS??G WER? ZELLA-M???S"

An internet search tells me that Zella-Mehlis is a town in Germany. It's actually the town in Germany that Walther firearms originally came from! Neat :D

Some more searching... turns up the Falsing Werk, in Zella-Mehlis. A perfect match for my marking. That's... all I've got for information so far... All I can find are old examples on eBay and the likes. So, the company doesn't appear to be around any longer...


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Re: Flea market finds
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2014, 04:56:35 PM »
I seem to vaguely remember a thread where someone noted that the Bernard designs, after Sargent, were licensed to someone in Germany, because there is still some small demand for them...
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Re: Flea market finds
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2014, 06:30:16 PM »
Schollhorn before Sargent, then Rostra afterward. No mention of Germany.
 
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Re: Flea market finds
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2014, 04:29:08 PM »
So what is the "horizontal" tool for with the loop on the end?  My dad had a pair (now mine) and neither of us knew what they were for.  I suspect an electrical crimper?

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Re: Flea market finds
« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2014, 04:50:14 PM »
Are the holes tapered just a bit on one side? It could be the tube half of a flaring kit
(A vice like piece would fit over it with a lead screw and tapered flare bit)
The locking piece would be somewhat pointless on a plain crimper...
Just a weathered light rust/WD40 mix patina.