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Offline john k

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Pair of hammers
« on: May 14, 2014, 07:56:35 PM »
Basic tools I got in the last week.   The all steel hammer looks like another shop project, edges are rougher than most I've seen.  But the ball pein, while plain, no name, just might have the original handle.     Off hand would say it dates to before WWII, maybe the 1930s?  What gets me is the narrowness of the handle, and thin.  Pulled out some other early and near original hammers, bigger, but notice the same thinness.  Anyone else notice this?
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Re: Pair of hammers
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2014, 09:28:33 AM »
John,  I don't remember whether it was a book by Pete Culler or John Gardner, that recommended that the handle on hammers used for riveting be thinned down so that they would be more flexible.  Apparently this made it easier to head the copper rivets used in small lap strake style wooden boats.

There can be hundreds of these rivets in each boat, depending on boat length, so the proper hammer would have been very important.

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Re: Pair of hammers
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2014, 12:00:34 PM »
  I suspect your ball pein might just have the original handle, but the end user thinned down the neck.
 A wooden handle naturally absorbs impact, keeping shock away from the user, better than anything else. Always did.
  But guys would cut down the neck for generations and generations. It might have started over reducing felt impact, but it was really more as a boast of skill than anything else. If you could use a hammer with a really thin neck and not break it, you had to have at least some skill.
  We still have a guy in town here who believes in this with all his heart. Must have had a relative or something who remembered the old days.

  The practice is still around in certain places too. I saw some guys on TV, from about 5 years ago, from the south seas. They were carving a dugout canoe with a steel adze. But it was mounted on what looked for all the world like a 3/4" dowel for a handle. Great big head, skinny skinny handle. I suspect the handle was ebony or some other super hard tough tropical hardwood, but it sure was skinny.
 
  The story was a great story. The people lived on this killer beautiful island, in the modern world. They had, and could have, all the contact they wanted with the outside world, but they rejected the modern world almost completely.
  Their philosophy went something like, "When you a--holes can beat what we have here, maybe we'll be interested. But you schmucks never had anything like what we already got. Not ever"
  They had gardens of delicious food, an ocean loaded with fish and seafood of all kinds. They had year round fruit galore for the picking. They had pigs so pampered they were said to resemble candy.  And they raised a certain root as a crop that not only fermented into alcohol very easy, it also had certain psychedelic properties. So they could prepare it either way. And they did.
 Oh, and they loved to sing and dance the night away.
 And their girls were really cute.   

 Not exactly a hardship life.
    yours Scott

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Re: Pair of hammers
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2014, 12:37:38 PM »
Scott, you sound downright envious of those guys lifestyle.   I know I am.    This handle is so smooth, hard to think anyone would have done some thinning, just no marks at all.   Patina is old too.
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Re: Pair of hammers
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2014, 07:28:34 AM »
Scott, you sound downright envious of those guys lifestyle.   I know I am.    This handle is so smooth, hard to think anyone would have done some thinning, just no marks at all.   Patina is old too.

Really thin handles are found quite a bit in my experience.  Almost all that I've run across look as well made as yours.  Some are even thinner.  I've always understood it was to get more whip in using the hammer.  One of mine is on a 2# straight pein smithing hammer! 

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Re: Pair of hammers
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2014, 09:26:02 AM »
Unless I screw up.
 Or I decide to intentionally leave hand toolmarks, that you can't fake, on a handle....(and I do that more and more)
 You would never know I was there either.

True story
 My friend Rick, owner of the local auto parts, broke his favorite ball pein. Had it 30 years but one day...........
 So I caved him a new handle.
 I decided to see how close I could get it with a knife alone. Nothing but a nekked blade (drawknife).
 It was nice, and if you looked close, there was no denying how it got that way.

  Rick was thrilled, but a few weeks later, his boy............
Kyle took sandpaper, and made a genuine imitation K-mart handle out of it.
 He was so proud.   :sad:
      yours Scott
     
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Re: Pair of hammers
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2014, 12:17:28 AM »
I have 6 ball peins in my shop, 2 seemingly the same weight/size heads.  The Stanley has a thin (and cracked) handle and a smaller eye than the Proto, which has a larger "swell" just below the head and a "flared" end. 5 of the 6 have thinner handles, I've harvested them all over the US and I thought they were all commercially-made handles. All except the Proto are "old." Not arguing, just saying.  (O:

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Re: Pair of hammers
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2014, 02:13:15 PM »
Gang,

I have quiet a few vintage pein hammers, some bought new in the early 1960's, and most have longer thinner handles than the handles found on other types of hammers.  The few that don't have thin handles look to have been re-handled.

That said, I've never run across a thin replacement handle.  And, I've never experienced the whip action with a thin handle.

Not arguing... just explaining my observations and experiences.
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Re: Pair of hammers
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2014, 09:11:48 AM »
A lot of silver/gold smithing hammers have the thinned handles. I don't feel "whip" but I do remember feeling a different kind if strike, or maybe more control (or I should say used to feel it, before I lost those sensory nerves.) Goldsmith hammers have small handles, but they have absmall head.

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