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Offline Nolatoolguy

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Rust removal, lathe chuck
« on: April 16, 2014, 09:05:35 PM »
My scrap metal buddy hauled away some metal scrap bins from a machine shop. He also got some rusty tooling. The one piece is a 28" lathe chuck. Theres also a steady rest, tool holders, an a few others.

We were talking and wondering if its fixable an worth the time. If you are able to get the rust off would it ever work correctly again? What would you recommend to remove the rust?
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Re: Rust removal, lathe chuck
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2014, 09:08:26 PM »
Immersing it in Vinegar would be a good start.   I can't help but think that if a machine shop tossed something this expensive outside and let it rust, it may be worn out?   Some machinist should chime in here.
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Re: Rust removal, lathe chuck
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2014, 09:16:34 PM »
Immersing it in Vinegar would be a good start.   I can't help but think that if a machine shop tossed something this expensive outside and let it rust, it may be worn out?   Some machinist should chime in here.

That's a good point. I cant think why anyone would leave a piece outside?

We know even used they can sometimes bring big money especially when that size. He was hoping to save it and make a few bucks in the process. Just wasn't sure the best way to go about doing so and if it would ever work properly.
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Re: Rust removal, lathe chuck
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2014, 11:13:12 PM »
might not be anything wrong with the chuck the lathe motor quit or a gear box failure and being old they put parts in the corner years ago, then some one set them out?
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Re: Rust removal, lathe chuck
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2014, 11:57:13 PM »
Nola my young friend, forget the rust for the moment.  Put your thinking cap on.
Unless you know the machine the chuck and steady rest came from, you have very little chance of selling them.  Then there is the matter of accuracy, how you going to check that out?

Instead of being depressed about those items having very little value, ask what you can do with them.

That chuck is the beginning of your first rotary positioner. 
Your first step is to throw a little diesel fuel at the chuck and determine if the jaws move.  If they do, think about cleaning it up.
Do not even consider vinegar, go read the thread about vinegar destroying the iron and leaving carbon behind.

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Re: Rust removal, lathe chuck
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2014, 06:41:53 AM »
I have decent results with molasses chelation. posted up a thread about it. I was unable to salvage an old vise though.
listen to aunt phil. he is well versed on the topic.

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Re: Rust removal, lathe chuck
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2014, 07:32:50 AM »
We scrapped a lathe recently and all the tooling and misc went in the dumpster.
Nothing wrong with any of it.
(Ironically, when the lathe was replaced, it used the same tooling that we just threw away!!)

There are a few standard chuck mounting schemes.
Chucks are transferred from machine to machine routinely.
They also usually have a mounting plate or adapter on the back that can be changed to accommodate other mounting systems.

The steady rest may be even more readily adaptable and the tool holders are almost universal.

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Re: Rust removal, lathe chuck
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2014, 11:34:58 AM »
Like a little kid I stopped by his storage unit early this morning to look at it. The pictures he sent me in a text message make it look better then it really is.

I don't think its going to work again as a lathe chuck, not how bad it is. The jaws seem to be rusted to the plate itself. I could see with some serious work an a lot of heat it would move again. Even then that would most likely through off its precision if its not already off.

He said hes just going to put it out at the flea market with the slim chance of someone buying it as is not working. If no one buys it over the weekend hele scrap it. He already made good money on the job so its not like it will cost him.

The idea for a positioner is great. It would be a great start just add a motor an a gear or tow maybe even a tilting mechanism and your good to go.
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Re: Rust removal, lathe chuck
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2014, 01:27:22 PM »
Flintstone, vises take an eternity, and often multiple processes.  There is about an 18 month saga of getting a Wilton apart on a site I'll not name for many reasons.  It began with the electrical process.  It eventually welt into a long soak in Diesel fuel and finally came apart with force applied in a press.  The very nature of a vise tells you time will be required.

Nola, I'll give you a homework assignment.
Look at a concrete mixer frame.  Also look at a pottery wheel.

A power driven positioner is only necessary in production welding.  A positioner that holds at strange angles is damn valuable a lot of days.
Take a good look at how the planetary drive works in a snowblower.  It will make an excellent drive unit with a drill motor, and most snowblowers go to China with the drive in fine condition.

I've built a few field expedient positiners, and they are a walk in the park if you think a little bit. 
Offer the guy scrap price for the chuck after he lugs it to and from the flea market, and he'll probably give it to you.  THEN, go to work on it. 
Some Diesel fuel will probably free it up and you can blow away most of the rust easily.

Either molasses or Citric acid should be your first choices, in that order.
Once you get it cleaned up, you can offer it for sale on sites like Practical Machinist where people salivate for such huge chucks. 

Worst case, if it doesn't sell you have one hell of a positioner chuck.  In time to come you will be very happy to have it.
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Re: Rust removal, lathe chuck
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2014, 04:39:39 PM »
Ditto, if you can get it cheap, it is worth it just to take it apart and see how it works inside. I bet you don't know how it works inside ;P

>A power driven positioner is only necessary in production welding
We converted a bunch of hydraulic power welding positioners into giant eye hook  benders, they worked great....
(looked a bit strange tho)

Almost as much fun as squashing things in the 400 ton press...
(You know your press is evil when it takes 5 minutes just to start the electric motor)
Just a weathered light rust/WD40 mix patina.

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Re: Rust removal, lathe chuck
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2014, 06:57:30 PM »
If I still had a space to keep an work on it I would of kept it. He asked if I wanted it free but I told him I am good. He sold the thing for a hundred bucks at the flea market. I am sure it would be great for some project but just not mine at this point in time.
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Re: Rust removal, lathe chuck
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2014, 07:25:02 PM »
> He sold the thing for a hundred bucks at the flea market

Ahh...thankyou, I was beginning to doubt my faith in human foolishness ;P
Just a weathered light rust/WD40 mix patina.

Offline Aunt Phil

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Re: Rust removal, lathe chuck
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2014, 12:55:08 AM »
> He sold the thing for a hundred bucks at the flea market

Ahh...thankyou, I was beginning to doubt my faith in human foolishness ;P

WHAT?
How could you given the time you spend on the InTurdNet?
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