Tool Talk
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: dimwittedmoose51 on April 13, 2013, 01:44:12 PM
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Got out this week as finally the temps are getting tolerable for folks to clean out their garages for spring. Found the Bench Grinder at an estate sale. Has the shatterproof glass, a really large metal plate it's mounted on, and it's made in the USA. The instruction manual has a hand-written date of 11/71 on it, but i was thinking that it might be a little older than that.
The two ratchets sure look like they came from the same tool co. but the bigger one is a Duro Chrome and the other an Indestro Super. The 1/4" drive sockets are from old Craftsman, Fleet, and Duro Chrome/Indestro.
Never seen a Fleet 14" pipe wrench before so I had to have that...jaws are nearly new looking and it cleaned up really well.
My wife found the Fairmount DOE at an estate sale and the Craftsman Vanadium pin punch is a little bent.
Really tore it up this morning, but will post that stuff later....after I get the taxes done.....
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...the other closeups...
DM&FS
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DWM,
You got some good stuff there... all of it. The Crafty block style grinder could very well be a 1971 model.
A question on the Crafty knurled sockets-- do they have a BE, H-circle, K-circle, or U-circle code on them?
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got to love a craftsman block grinder!
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got to love a craftsman block grinder!
FF-- +1
DWM-- Your Crafty block grinder was made by Paramount/Allegretti & Co. during the mid 1960s - 1970s. They are highly sought after and are without match today. Clean it up, use it, and keep it forever.
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Lauver: Fortunately, two of the 4 sockets had enough metal lefton them to show the circle with U inside. Didn't think they were old enough to be Hinsdales. The extension is also a U, but different plating on it.
Yes, this grinder will replace my 1/2 horse Cummins from the J. A. Pan Company....lol
...and it's pretty well cleaned up and waiting for some new brush material for the right side.
They wanted $35 for it and 5 minutes before they shut down for the night and everything going 1/2 price on Saturday, she took $25, saving me from having to gamble it wouldn't be there for $17.50 the next day.
I alsoi got a virtually new set of Craftsman wood gouges for $10 during th ehalf price deal and a few other goodies.
The big score today was not one, not two, but THREE D. A. Barton wide blade wood gouges/chisels at a yard sale for $12 each. There's an 1832 stamped on the logo, but I doubt they are that old. The handles and brass collars on the handles are mega-cool andl you could shave with these babies most likely. The PO was a pattern maker and is downsizing. He also let go of a set of 8 Buck Brothers chisels with holders for $30 that look hardly used as well. I'll be selling them all so if anyone wants them, I guess I should be posting on the heads up column.
Many more scores today and so little time to boast.....
DM&FS
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got to love a craftsman block grinder!
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I'm on the lookout for one of those!
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Well boys, find me a big honkin' Baldor and we'll talk trade.....lol
yeah, I didn't think so....
DM&FS
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The big score today was not one, not two, but THREE D. A. Barton wide blade wood gouges/chisels at a yard sale for $12 each. There's an 1832 stamped on the logo, but I doubt they are that old.
DM&FS
No, not that old. The early Barton marks didn't have a date. The 1832, both the oval cartouche and the half oval, are from the late 1800s -- maybe 80 or 90s. I just looked it up last week but already forgot the exact dates. Senior moment.
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Looks like you picked up some nice goodies there dwm.
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The photo barrage begins..First the Bartons/Crafty/Buck Ros. chisels/gouges.
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A cool old Kraueter 1/2 drive box...too bad it had 3/8" drive Crescent stuff inside......
A shot of three tool boxes, A Penncraft, a Powr-Kraft, and a Climax(never heard of that brand before...
And, has anyone eer seen this plastic wall unit for storing Dremel tool and many collets, discs, and1/8" shaft tools?? Pretty nifty findat the estate sale for $6 cplete with a couple dozen bits and a functional Dremel tool still made in the US
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An old Hibbard 24" pipe wrench with the True Value Logo on it and a Whitaker 12" monkey from Chicago
A Pepsi box with a nearly full set of old Duro Chrome combos, a couple V series Craftys, A 15/16" Proto combo, a Japanese "Helix"(new one for the collection), and a few other goodies.....
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A VW king pin reamer, a Krauter 5 1/2" pliers, a Bell System Klein lineman's pliers, and a old K439 farm wrench of some sort
a Superior Tool Co. PVC saw, and a Gold(blatt??) 2# sledge from Kansas City
A Greenlee knockout for a 1 1/4" conduit hole
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Last set folks(Whew, that's a lot of editing!!)
Anyone ever heard of PEC sockets???. They were in the bottom of an old rusty Crafty tool box that went with the Krauter/Crescent set. Yes, that's a vintage Snap On 1/2" drive joint up there and an old Thorsen socket nearby.
The 1/4" pneumatic die grinder is a Dotsco(new to me) from Ohio and will do 30k rpm, similar to th e Dremesl, but with likely a tad more torque. oiled it and it runs very well.
DM&FS
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Well boys, find me a big honkin' Baldor and we'll talk trade.....lol
yeah, I didn't think so....
DM&FS
FWIW. I have 3, 1/2 horse block grinders. I paid $50 each for them they are all nice and in no need of restoration.
I had bought a "big honkin Baldor" for $200. it was a slightly better grinder. I bought a big Dayton for $70 equal to the Baldor. I sold the Baldor for $300, IMO they are 5% better and 6 times the price.
I have never used a 1 hp block grinder, but they run $100 and I assume they are equal to a baldor.
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Wow. You didn't mention the Barton gouges were crook-necked gouges! Even better price!
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Branson, does the dating of these Bartons get an easier if they are crook-necks?? All three have varying amounts of radius to them and the widths are slightly different too. I'm pretty ignorant about such things, i guess.
TIA
DM&FS
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DWM,
Your Crafty U-circle sockets were made by Plomb/Penens ca. 1944-1948. Very nice vintage sockets. Good score.
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Branson, does the dating of these Bartons get an easier if they are crook-necks?? All three have varying amounts of radius to them and the widths are slightly different too. I'm pretty ignorant about such things, i guess.
DM&FS
The Davistown Museum has a good history of D. R. Barton:
http://www.davistownmuseum.org/bioBarton.html
Yours have the oval mark it looks like. The Davistown Museum site says:
David R. Barton Tool Co.: 1874 - 1880.
Augers, axes, bits, cooper's tools, edge tools and wooden planes.
Marks: D.R. BARTON / 1832 / ROCHESTER N.Y. (in an oval shape with top and bottom lines curved).
A cabinet maker's paring chisel currently on eBay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-D-R-BARTON-1-Paring-chisel-Cabinetmaker-/281084593832?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4171f286a8
A group of 13 on eBay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/13-Vintage-D-A-BARTON-CHISELS-GOUGES-WOOD-WORKING-CARVING-Wellman-handles-/161002115375?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item257c79512f
Yours have original handles in excellent shape.
The crook neck design doesn't make them easier to date, but it does make them more valuable. These are usually described as pattern makers' chisels and are less common.
I'm gonna sound like Scott here. 30 or 40 years ago, when I started getting woodworking tools, I bought cheap. Old tools were cheaper than most of us can imagine today. I got chisels for under a dollar, and some as low as 25 cents. Bartons and Buck Bros I came to discover, were among the best -- dependably great steel that took and kept an edge, and stood up to use. Ditto W. Butcher and L&IJ White. Now they're "collectable" and usually more than I can afford.
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The Dotco die grinder is the "LEXUS" of grinders-they take a Lickin and still keep ticking-will probably will last your lifetime!