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Title: A whatsit from the Carpenter's Toolchest
Post by: johnsironsanctuary on November 08, 2012, 12:20:53 PM
This is from an 1842 Tool Catalog

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb373/johnsironsanctuary/The%20Carpenters%20Tool%20Chest/scan0019a.jpg)
Title: Re: A whatsit from the Carpenter's Toolchest
Post by: Papaw on November 08, 2012, 12:33:53 PM
Looks like a jack. WAG!!
Title: Re: A whatsit from the Carpenter's Toolchest
Post by: wrenchguy on November 08, 2012, 01:01:05 PM
sure is.... but what for?
Title: Re: A whatsit from the Carpenter's Toolchest
Post by: anglesmith on November 08, 2012, 04:11:00 PM
Out here they used jacks like that for pushing down (small?) trees! Notice the spikes on the base and the chisel like teeth on the top!
Graeme
Title: Re: A whatsit from the Carpenter's Toolchest
Post by: rudeawakening55 on November 08, 2012, 10:06:06 PM
  My guess a Canastoga wagon jack
Title: Re: A whatsit from the Carpenter's Toolchest
Post by: wrenchguy on November 09, 2012, 06:20:40 AM
i would guess to tall for wagons, i suspect for timber framing like warehouses and mills most with 2 stories or more back in the day. i spend alot of time on the east coast and note empty masonry buildings with wood innards. joist and rafter salvage is big bussiness out there. most timbers are heart pine and red fir.
Title: Re: A whatsit from the Carpenter's Toolchest
Post by: johnsironsanctuary on November 09, 2012, 07:59:11 AM
On 495, there is a pin through the rackgear. On 496 the pin is outside of the tooth.
On both units, there is a hook on the side. Is this to bind it to something? Conestogas were very heavy wagons. Those crank handles are too short to lift a heavy load with only a single gear reduction.
Title: Re: A whatsit from the Carpenter's Toolchest
Post by: Papaw on November 09, 2012, 08:08:48 AM
Sellens shows one like the one on the left and calls it a Claw Jack or Timber Jack. The claw jack and the timber jack were listed as having 24-48" screws. A planker jack has a 30-42" screw, and the stone jack has a 36-42" screw.
Title: Re: A whatsit from the Carpenter's Toolchest
Post by: Branson on November 09, 2012, 09:29:16 AM
Knowing the measurements of the devises would be helpful.  At least in principle, it's much the same as a Conestoga wagon jack.  Some of these also had the spikes on the bottom.  At any rate, the technology is late 1700s and early 1800s.  If not earlier.
Title: Re: A whatsit from the Carpenter's Toolchest
Post by: johnsironsanctuary on November 09, 2012, 12:52:14 PM
Sorry, any details and pricing was on the price sheet which has not survived. WYSIWYG.
Title: Re: A whatsit from the Carpenter's Toolchest
Post by: Papaw on November 09, 2012, 01:14:49 PM
Here is a scan of page 250 of Alvin Sellens' Dictionary of Hand Tools-

Title: Re: A whatsit from the Carpenter's Toolchest
Post by: johnsironsanctuary on November 09, 2012, 02:13:18 PM
Sure looks like you nailed it Papaw! Thanks.
Title: Re: A whatsit from the Carpenter's Toolchest
Post by: anglesmith on November 09, 2012, 03:21:58 PM
Claw/ timber jack, that certainly looks like the one! A jack with a 48 inch screw would have been more likely used pushing trees and or stumps than for lifting. Here's a page about a later Australian development the Trewhella monkey jack. http://rescuingthepast.co.uk/trewhella_monkey_jack.html
Graeme
Title: Re: A whatsit from the Carpenter's Toolchest
Post by: Branson on November 10, 2012, 07:42:17 AM
Here is a scan of page 250 of Alvin Sellens' Dictionary of Hand Tools-

You got it!  Thanks for the picture, too!