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Title: Another Challenge for the What's-It Guys
Post by: mikeswrenches on October 28, 2012, 09:27:13 PM
The last What's-It I posted was apparently too easy.  This one may be a little harder.  It is not marked with a maker or any other identifying marks.  I bought it new 35-40 years ago, obviously it never got used much.

Mike
Title: Re: Another Challenge for the What's-It Guys
Post by: Lostmind on October 28, 2012, 09:31:30 PM
Looks like a tool to adjust voltage regulator contacts and air gaps.
Title: Re: Another Challenge for the What's-It Guys
Post by: mikeswrenches on October 28, 2012, 10:03:07 PM
You're kind of close.

Mike
Title: Re: Another Challenge for the What's-It Guys
Post by: john k on October 28, 2012, 10:06:35 PM
I'm thinking its for adjusting ignition points.  Bending the arm and spring, for more tension, and centering the contact points. 
Title: Re: Another Challenge for the What's-It Guys
Post by: oldtools on October 29, 2012, 02:29:01 AM
What is the size?
Title: Re: Another Challenge for the What's-It Guys
Post by: mikeswrenches on October 29, 2012, 06:00:39 AM
John,

You got it!!!  100% correct.

I need to find a harder one.

Mike
Title: Re: Another Challenge for the What's-It Guys
Post by: Bill Houghton on October 30, 2012, 04:06:58 PM
I'm thinking its for adjusting ignition points.
And the time is not far off - may even be here - when the majority of the readers of any given forum (not counting the Auld Cahrs fora) will say "what are ignition points?"

Bill, pretty experienced with points* but not so sad that they've been superseded

*Trying to remember to whom I was talking the other day, approximately sorta close to my age, who was familiar with points, but not with the cigarette paper timing method
Title: Re: Another Challenge for the What's-It Guys
Post by: Lostmind on October 30, 2012, 04:12:45 PM
Bill , I don't know about cigarette paper timing , but many times I used a match book cover
as a feeler gauge to set the gap on a car to get it running.
Biggest problem with points was the rubbing block wearing down because the cam didn't get lubed.
Title: Re: Another Challenge for the What's-It Guys
Post by: oldtools on October 30, 2012, 04:42:20 PM
Guess it depends on the gap required, paper or match book.
Yup, cam needs Lube or will wear the foot & change gap.
Also the Condenser & Contacts needs to be checked.
seen contact points with Pits & Craters...
Still have my Dwell Meter, with Volt, Amp, RPM.
Title: Re: Another Challenge for the What's-It Guys
Post by: mikeswrenches on October 30, 2012, 05:16:11 PM
You guys probably still have timing lights too!!!

Mike
Title: Re: Another Challenge for the What's-It Guys
Post by: oldtools on October 30, 2012, 05:20:32 PM
You guys probably still have timing lights too!!!

Mike

Don't you?  I still use them on older cars. days of timing by ear are gone...
Title: Re: Another Challenge for the What's-It Guys
Post by: rusty on October 30, 2012, 05:21:12 PM

I have several. Anyone remember the joys of getting the wires from the timing light caught in the fan blades?
Title: Re: Another Challenge for the What's-It Guys
Post by: oldtools on October 30, 2012, 05:34:39 PM
Been there, Done That!
also getting shocked from the High voltage side... WOW!! what a kicker...
Title: Re: Another Challenge for the What's-It Guys
Post by: mikeswrenches on October 30, 2012, 06:47:16 PM
Actually I still do have one, although I haven't used it since about 1980...and a dwell meter,tach, etc.  Just can't seem to get rid of them, even though I don't use any of it anymore.

Mike
Title: Re: Another Challenge for the What's-It Guys
Post by: Bill Houghton on October 30, 2012, 07:52:33 PM
Bill , I don't know about cigarette paper timing , but many times I used a match book cover
as a feeler gauge to set the gap on a car to get it running.
Biggest problem with points was the rubbing block wearing down because the cam didn't get lubed.
Not for gap.  Sparks fire on a points system when the points open (causing the magnetic field in the coil to collapse, triggering a shot from the secondary, high-voltage side of the coil to the plug).  So, you would set the crankshaft to the timing mark, then put a piece of cigarette paper between the points and hold gentle pressure on it while rotating the distributor in the proper direction.  When the points just began to open, the paper would pull out.  The test was then to back up the crankshaft and bring it forward; if the paper pulled out when the crank hit the timing mark, you were on the timing.

Insufficient precision for the later cars, but just fine for older models.

Cigarette paper because it was a good balance of thin and strong; Zig-Zag papers were considered the best.  Credit card "flimsies" were a backup approach, but we all believed that they left some sort of oily deposit on the points.
Title: Re: Another Challenge for the What's-It Guys
Post by: Lostmind on October 30, 2012, 08:44:45 PM
Thanks for the details Bill.I never heard of that procedure. I have pulled the coil wire and set it about an 1/8" from the block and set the timing marks up , than turn the distributor until the spark jumps. Not precision , but good to get her running.
Title: Re: Another Challenge for the What's-It Guys
Post by: Bill Houghton on October 30, 2012, 09:36:05 PM
Actually I still do have one, although I haven't used it since about 1980...and a dwell meter,tach, etc.  Just can't seem to get rid of them, even though I don't use any of it anymore.

Mike
You're not alone.  Some small part of the back of my mind thinks I'm going to happen on one of my quest cars for $25 at a yard sale - Studebaker Hawk/GT (any year except the finned years), Borgward Sport Coupe, Lloyd Alexander (station wagon or sedan, I'm not particular), immediately postwar Wolseley sedan or Jowett Jupiter (lefthand drive on these two, though; not willing to learn righthand drive) - and have to relearn how to set points and timing.
Title: Re: Another Challenge for the What's-It Guys
Post by: mikeswrenches on October 31, 2012, 05:46:31 AM
Bill,

Let me know when you find one of those cars.  We can relearn all those procedures together.

Also, if they happen to have a second Studebaker for that price, please get it for me.  I might even go big time and double that price if it was a nice clean one...I'd even take one with the fins.

Mike