Tool Talk
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: 1930 on June 14, 2011, 12:15:57 PM
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I have had some pliers recently described to me as ..............You mention on your pliers that there is a mark of 25 drop forged, I have record of the 1932 Pliers having a 10 Drop Forged and 1928 pliers as having a 19 Drop Forged but unfortunately am still unclear on where this marking is to be found and how all these numbers correspond...............Has anyone seen any of these slip joint pliers pictures below with any of these sorts of markings???
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You mention on your pliers that there is a mark of 25 drop forged, I have record of the 1932 Pliers having a 10 Drop Forged and 1928 pliers as having a 19 Drop Forged but unfortunately am still unclear on where this marking is to be found and how all these numbers correspond...............Has anyone seen any of these slip joint pliers pictures below with any of these sorts of markings???
Not slip joint (though I may have some of these -- haven't looked at them all) but I have a pair of assembly pliers that are marked
X
10
(undecipherable)
on the legs, between the jaws and the wide part of the handles. No other markings I can find.
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1930,
yes, I have seen these quite often. I believe they are made by Vlchek, likely contract production for any of many sources of distribution. Like the unmarked Vlchek wrenches common to auto toolkits in the 40's, I believe the numbers are misleading as they are more than likely die numbers to signify which die the piece was made from. I don't think they are a model number or anything in the way of year of manufacture. Just numbers used in the production of the tool.
Pliers similar to these can be found in tool kits for the Chevrolet vehicles of the 1920's and beyond.
here's a good link http://1940chevrolet.com/node/25 to see different pliers available for the old chevy's through the years, and the pliers represented on this linked page look a lot like the pictured type.
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I've seen these numbers on pliers also and I agree with keykeeper that they are probably die ID numbers and not catalog or part numbers.
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Thanks guys, if you run across any and that are fairly inexpensive let me know, thank-you keykeeper for the pict, that was a big help as I have not seen yet the pliers and the person doing the describing seems less than enthusiastice to say much more....imagine that
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You are welcome. That website has quite good info on it regarding some of the early Chevy tools, which I suspect were used by other makers as well.
I have a few pairs of those pliers, I'll have to do a little digging to see what's out there in the "shed o' stuff"....lol.
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I poked around a bit in the dungeon and found a pair with 35 on one handle, and 1 on the other...hmm
seems to have been painted black at one point, 6 1/4" long....
No other mark besides drop forged, always more or less figured them as tool kit pliers...
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I am not the least bit cocerned with condition as long as they arent modified I guess, thanks
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1930,
I poked around the shed and found these the other day. First two pictures are the "drop forged" marked ones (on side number 41, other side 48 or 49).
Last two pictures are the McKaig-Hatch pliers featured elsewhere on the site I linked to, for comparison purposes. Thought I would throw those in to show the differences to anyone interested.
If the first pair is what you need, let me know.
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Thanks for the great pict, I am at a standstill with the pliers at this point but yes what do these pliers run. My e-mail is jhason2@yahoo.com Thanks
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Thanks for the great pict, I am at a standstill with the pliers at this point but yes what do these pliers run. My e-mail is jhason2@yahoo.com Thanks
At flea markets and garage sales, they run about 50 cents to two dollars around here. Sorry for no pics, but with a trip to the shed, I found a pair marked:
"MOTOR SPEC.
DULUTH USA."
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Ill take them both, sent you an e-mail
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I also found these recently in an earlier Plymouth toolkit, I am pretty sure that there was just a recent discussion on this manuf. but I dont recall what was said. I cant read what is printed within the triangle. Any info would be appreciated
Are these avail in different lengths, are the pliers that are marked with a # and drop forged avail in different lengths, Aaron I did not ask you the length of the two you have.
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I am pretty sure those are indestro pliers , but i do not know time frame.
Thanks,
Kirk
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I am pretty sure those are indestro pliers , but i do not know time frame.
Thanks,
Kirk
Thanks from me, too. I just got an identical pair (with most of the chrome intact), and a couple of weeks earlier, a pair of needle nose pliers with the same mark.
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Can you show the mark Brandon and hopefully someone can put a time frame on the little boogers.
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Just to make less confusing, are these pliers avail in different lengths.
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Can you show the mark Brandon and hopefully someone can put a time frame on the little boogers.
On the probable Indestros? It's the same mark as in 1930's plier picture. A triangle containing the words:
FORGED
STEEL
USA
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Can you show the mark Brandon and hopefully someone can put a time frame on the little boogers.
On the probable Indestros? It's the same mark as in 1930's plier picture. A triangle containing the words:
FORGED
STEEL
USA
Duh! Well, the above is what is in the depressed triangle. My pair has the same odd tips as the ones you posted. The needle nose pliers have the wording in an outlined triangle instead of the depressed triangle. It would be great if someone could put a time frame on these.
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Thanks for that Branson
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Can you show the mark Brandon and hopefully someone can put a time frame on the little boogers.
Here's a photo of both pairs of these pliers in my collection. Those identical to yours show the
Forged
Steel
USA
mark in the depressed triangle. The needle nose pliers have the outlined triangle, same size, same
information. Both pairs are 6 5/16" long.
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Thats great, thanks for the pict. I guess we will have to keep looking for a time frame
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How about these pliers, I think I remember this logo being talked about before, they are described to me as ........... It only has what I would call a "bug" embossed on it, no logo. .........Whats the story with these?
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The logo on those pliers is for mckaig hatch and were in Chevrolet tool kit from 1941-1950
Thanks,
Kirk
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Thanks Kirk
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Found some info on the indestro pliers, according to alloy artifacts that logo was first used in 1939.
http://home.comcast.net/~alloy-artifacts/duro-indestro.html
Info is available under trademark list
Thanks,
Kirk
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Well that threw a wrech in my theory
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You people are a bad influence on me (wannabe farm wrench collector). Found these in an old auction box this morn. I buy what you all are saying about die numbers such as 34 and 27;but what about (J3 and H1). These are only marks;no drop forged or co. logo. Have screwdriver on one handle. Couple of years ago I would have tossed them in box and taken them back to auction,now I am curious about history of these pliers.
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Strange shape to the handle, I am also curious, thanks for posting the pict.
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The shape looks very much like the early Billings & Spencer Model M pliers, but the forged in codes are a mystery...(and guessing from a picture is always hazardous in any case)
I'm almost certain I have seen H1 on something somewhere tho, will have to look through the random plier collection later...
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On the H1-J3 pliers the H1(non screwdriver) handle has a twist which I doubt is original. That is also the handle that is pretty straight as opposed to the J3 handle that has a customary curve. No evidense of abuse other than the twist.
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Maybe thats what I am seeing as strange