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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: OilyRascal on May 13, 2012, 05:36:03 PM
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I'm assisting 1930 with posting pictures of his beauty!
I believe it is a 1954. I may stand corrected. It is a 1952.
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Dang !! That'll haul the freight !!
Nice deer light, I mean Searchlight you have there...
Very Nice 1930 !!
Points for the assist to Oily.
Brian L.
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Nice heavy looking truck there. I believe its a 1952, F-600? Hardly ever see those heavy demountable wheels on a Ford. I am betting it was a fire truck in its earlier life too. Due to the extra lights, and center grille tooth missing, where a light or siren was. Also got a feeling the Lincoln flathead isn't in there anymore, as I don't see a clutch pedal, and lots of mods to the wiring and floorboards. Trucks like these were so common years ago, this looks like a darn good survivor. Thanks 1930.
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Yes, it is a 52. F-7. I am all about keeping things original but I bought the truck to use and drive, it was a Lincoln flathead, this particular year was all too itself and parts needed to get it and keep it going were just not to be had, I tried believe that.
I removed the original engine and tranny a couple of years ago and used a fuel injected 302 I had sitting in another truck, did not do a thing to it other than plop it in there automatic tranny with 4 W.D transfer case still attached.
Replaced the wiring harness as well and am working on a tilt front end since its tough to work under the hood.
Did all the diamond plate as all that stuff was missing. I have the center tooth thanks to some spare parts, your right about the water pump, never did see that though.
That little 302 just strains to much and I am tired of fighting problems with the fuel injection so next weekend I am gonna take the engine out of the 68 F-350 which is a freshly re-built 351 4 spd with granny first and I am sure I will have better luck with that. I put a decent cam in it but plan to tear it down just far enough soon to put a gear drive in it, I love that whirr but cant see putting a blower on a work truck.
It is a ex-water tanker truck for Virginia fire dept. when I bought it most of it was in boxes with the sheet metal just sitting on there sorta, no tanker or bed and the idiot before me had sanded off the lettering on the doors already.
I bought the 68 just because it had a real nice 8 ft steel bed with boxes ect already mounted and it had the original engine. All I had to do was add another 4 ft to the bed and I also got a 12 ft ramp off an old U-haul and fabricated some rollers enabling it to be pulled ou the back or tucked up underneath when not is use. That is a Windsor truck motor so its better for me.
I did have the original siren and all the lights in boxes but I didnt want to mount some of it so I picked and chose what I wanted to keep.
I posted pictures of it on the old forum but I know those are gone and I spent the weekend cleaning it up so its nice Derek was able to post photos for me. I dont know how he is able to do it.
Maybe there are some Ford guys on here?? I think they have always made the best trucks but dont know much about them, I guess thats because everyone I have owned has never broke on me and thats been quite a few.
I would have preffered a 390 engine, I had one of these in my 67 years ago but this 351 was just a bonus so I am gonna use it. I have been asking around and someone told me the 302 manifolds will bolt to the 351, is that correct?
I have headers on the 351 now but I dont think there is any chance they are gonnal clear my steering box, when I fabbed the engine mounts to make the 302 fit in there I raised the engine as high as I could but I still could barely get the stock 302 manifolds to clear the steering box.
I have a feeling that the 351 is even wider still so I may be in for a battle. Any comments would be appreciated
I forgot to mention it has the two speed rear-end, I can get the little motor to wind un-wind every now and again in the rear end but I am hoping maybe someone here has dealt with the little boogers and can give me some tips.
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I posted pictures of it on the old forum but I know those are gone and I spent the weekend cleaning it up so its nice Derek was able to post photos for me. I dont know how he is able to do it.
I forgot to mention it has the two speed rear-end, I can get the little motor to wind un-wind every now and again in the rear end but I am hoping maybe someone here has dealt with the little boogers and can give me some tips.
Please don't feel like you stand alone in your battle of publishing pictures. Depending on the technology you have (camera, PC, Internet connection speed, software, data storage, etc.) and your experience level it might be an exercise that is easy, OR next to impossible. As a seasoned user of technology I still find it frustrating on occasion. I will stand up in defense of the current implementation of picture hosting on Tooltalk. I believe the size and volume limitations are in the best interest of the website's stability; and therefore in our best interest however painful it may be. I'll now go rant in another thread about pictures.
I'm also interested in your findings/tips on getting the "little booger" on the rear-end to work properly.
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On the side of that 2-speed axle is a small gear case with the motor and shifter arm. Inside, there is a pair of contact points, that are the travel limiters for the motor. It's been years since I worked on one, but can remember the job wasn't too tough. The points would get burned and the shifter would be inop. We would change out a little plate? with the points on it, but was thinking back that cleaning the points would have worked too. Look for where the wires enter the differential case.
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On the side of that 2-speed axle is a small gear case with the motor and shifter arm. Inside, there is a pair of contact points, that are the travel limiters for the motor. It's been years since I worked on one, but can remember the job wasn't too tough. The points would get burned and the shifter would be inop. We would change out a little plate? with the points on it, but was thinking back that cleaning the points would have worked too. Look for where the wires enter the differential case.
Thanks, yes I see how it works, I have had it out and as mentioned have had it working but it only works some of the time.........suggestions like this is what I was after..........Inside, there is a pair of contact points, that are the travel limiters for the motor..............I am not so good at electrical but I will look into that.
It been maybe 2 years since I had that motor apart but as I sit here it seems to be coming back to me, will have another look after I get this engine swapped over.
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Nice truck if you are asking about exhaust manifolds they should fit IIRC. A 302 intake might fit if you used spacers as the 351 has about a 1" higher deck height.
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OH, you have a fun little project ;P
The 302 manifolds fit, but they are smaller inside, so it will cost you a little HP over the ones that came with the 351, which in themselves cost you over headers...
The deck hight is higher, and I seem to remember the motor mount to top of head is higher also, so check your overall height to the manifold.....
>I would have preffered a 390 engine...
No you wouldn't, trust me ;P
>I have a feeling that the 351 is even wider still
It is wider at the top, because the heads are taller, the block area isn't much different..
Beware of accessory locations tho, that is where clearance issues bite you...
Be glad you aren't stuffing a 460 in there -P
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I would like to talkw ith someone to discuss pinion angle and engine offset when taking into consideratin the driveline angles, anyone here set up this stuff from scratch.
When I put the 302 in it some time ago I always had a bad vibration, the more I read about pinion angle and engine offset the more I think I may have made a booboo.
I dont want to make the same mistake twice
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>always had a bad vibration
Fords often have driveshaft balance problems, very common, and more likely than other issues. It is hard to get the pinion angle so bad that it affects anything unless you are building a race car.
The only real complication for a truck it that the axle position changes when the truck is loaded, cars don't move up and down nearly as much.
But really , all you want is as straight a line as possible, perfection would be that the height above ground, with the truck loaded (the engine in) where it is normally driven, is the same at the balancer, trandmission tailshaft, and axle pinion. In practice you can't do this, so you go for as straight a line through 3 points as you can. The problem that is hardest to fix is the angle at the axle, because truck axles aren't designed to be rotated....So instead, you have to move the engine up or down, and then you are stuck with motor mount issues, so instead, you angle the transmission end so it points at the axle...and that's often the best you are gonna do...
(Do however, make sure the engine is true side to side, that problemwill cause all kinds of weird things to happen...)
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On the side of that 2-speed axle is a small gear case with the motor and shifter arm. Inside, there is a pair of contact points, that are the travel limiters for the motor. It's been years since I worked on one, but can remember the job wasn't too tough. The points would get burned and the shifter would be inop. We would change out a little plate? with the points on it, but was thinking back that cleaning the points would have worked too. Look for where the wires enter the differential case.
It's not always contact operated - apparently. The 65 I'm working on looks to have one vacuum operated.
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I hope the 351 is a Cleveland and not a Windsor.
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The old Fords I worked on with the electric shift were 40s-50s-60s and some 70s. My 1948 IHC has the same axle and shifter as a Ford of that time. I was thinking that Chevy used the vacuum shift?
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1930,
The "Windsor" style 351 engine is in the same "small block" family as the 260, 289, and 302 engines (but only the 351 was ever called a "Windsor" to differentiate from the 351 C. Then there is the the 351"Cleveland" engine, and NOTHING will interchange. The Windsor family of engines use 5 valve cover bolts, and the upper radiator hose connects to the intake manifold. The Cleveland engines use 8 valve cover bolts, and the upper radiator hose connects to the block spacer, NOT the intake manifold. There was also a 351 "M" series Ford engine, but that's yet another story.
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For driveshaft angle, set the base of the carburetor level with the ground, then whatever angle you have at the tail shaft should match the angle on the yolk at the rear axle.
I have been driving a 1939 Ford pickup every day for 17 years thru four states usually pulling a trailer with an old car on it
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There was also a 351 "M" series Ford engine, but that's yet another story.
I was thinking to myself there was a 3rd version, a Modified. If you know it's story I'd appreciate a tid-bit.
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Thanks for all the tips, this old Ford was also avail. with a Vacuum assist on the rear end in 52 if I remember correctly, cant remember the model though.
The 351 I am using is a complete running engine so there will be no intake or nuthin to swap over. It is a Windsor by the way.
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Some of you guys might find this interesting, seems easy enough to understand. http://www.iedls.com/asp/admin/getFile.asp?RID=10&TID=28&FN=PDF
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Good stuff! Many rodders have no idea what they are doing.