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Title: Anyone know this logo on Cornwell ratchet
Post by: lebaron on April 13, 2012, 08:37:58 AM: Old Cornwell 1/2" ratchet with no number. Pat. Applied For. Anyone know what the logo is and model of ratchet.
Title: Re: Anyone know this logo on Cornwell ratchet
Post by: jimwrench on April 13, 2012, 08:57:53 AM: Thats Chicago Mfg.& Distributing Co. logo. See Alloy Artifacts
Title: Re: Anyone know this logo on Cornwell ratchet
Post by: Mac53 on April 13, 2012, 10:08:18 AM: UNC! Go Heels!
Title: Re: Anyone know this logo on Cornwell ratchet
Post by: Bus on April 13, 2012, 02:27:41 PM: We had this discussion on the old board. I have been trying to identify this logo for years and could never find any connection to a Chicago Hardware forging company. I did find a catalog from a forging company called Cleveland Hardware that shows then logo on the cover (see photo below).

Cleveland Hardware & Forging Co. Inc. was granted a trademark for the logo.

"In 1957, H. K. Porter, a Pittsburgh-based machine tool and heavy equipment builder, purchased Cleveland Hardware and ran it as their Cleveland division until the late 1960s." H. K. Porter is listed as the owner of the trademark by some sources.

One thing keeps me from being 100 percent sure that it is Cleveland Hardware is that all the information I can find classifies them as a forging company and the logo can be found on numerous cast wrenches. They started in the 1870's and might have done castings then.

(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd3/buswrench/message-board/CHLogo-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Anyone know this logo on Cornwell ratchet
Post by: RWalters on April 13, 2012, 08:11:55 PM: @Mac53, I was going to go with Montreal Canadiens.....
Title: Re: Anyone know this logo on Cornwell ratchet
Post by: lebaron on April 13, 2012, 11:04:29 PM: Does anybody know how it is tied to Cornwell and when.
Title: Re: Anyone know this logo on Cornwell ratchet
Post by: rusty on April 15, 2012, 08:20:35 AM: There are 2 other ratchets on alloy artifacts with forge codes on them, both different, and different from the [CH] mark. So my assumption would be that Cornwell was contracting out ratchet production in the early days.

Your ratchet does not have a hole in the handle, so it's not a #55 and it's not one of the SR series.

Does your ratchet click when turned?

As for age, weakly, the contract stuff seems to be in the 20's-30's, but you may have an unknown Cornwell ratchet that predates the #55.....
[You also have the only other ratchet I have seen with the CH forgemark besides the CM&D ones]
Title: Re: Anyone know this logo on Cornwell ratchet
Post by: lebaron on April 15, 2012, 09:18:08 AM: There is no click when turning.
Title: Re: Anyone know this logo on Cornwell ratchet
Post by: Fins/413 on April 15, 2012, 06:31:30 PM: Quote from: Mac53 on April 13, 2012, 10:08:18 AM
UNC! Go Heels!
Duke forever.
Title: Re: Anyone know this logo on Cornwell ratchet
Post by: m_fumich on April 16, 2012, 08:19:24 AM: I think Bus is right. It's a match to the Cleveland Hardware logo.
Title: Re: Anyone know this logo on Cornwell ratchet
Post by: lebaron on April 16, 2012, 10:51:07 AM: One thing I noticed and I don't know if it means anything. The Cleveland logo has the C looped over and under the H. The logo on the ratchet has no looping.
Title: Re: Anyone know this logo on Cornwell ratchet
Post by: m_fumich on April 16, 2012, 12:38:47 PM: A logo that small might be difficult to get that kind of detail.
Title: Re: Anyone know this logo on Cornwell ratchet
Post by: rusty on April 16, 2012, 04:21:23 PM: It is also in a square, not a circle...

I have been trying to find an example of the logo before 1933 (CH was a different company, CH&F was formed from the branckrupt assets, the logo may have changed slightly when that happened...)