Tool Talk
What's-It Forum => What's-It Forum => Topic started by: johnsironsanctuary on February 01, 2012, 08:33:09 AM
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I'm pretty sure that this is a miniature English wheel and that it was intended to straighten the edges of bent fenders in the '20s and 30's. I've tried DATAMP and google patent with no luck. If someone from USPO can go downstairs and wake Rusty. Yeah, that's him, the guy napping over next to the tool patents. Maybe he can figure it out.
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Cast in is 'Stiles-Herman Mfg Co St Louis MO' on one side and 'Pat'd June 1922 Addl Pats Pending' on the other.
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Let Rusty finish his nap. A quick Google patent search for fender tool filtered by date issued (June
1922) came up with this patent.
http://www.google.com/patents?id=2PQ_AAAAEBAJ&pg=PA6&dq=fender+tool&hl=en&sa=X&ei=mnkpT9PQAofY2QX_uKXSAg&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=fender%20tool&f=false (http://www.google.com/patents?id=2PQ_AAAAEBAJ&pg=PA6&dq=fender+tool&hl=en&sa=X&ei=mnkpT9PQAofY2QX_uKXSAg&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=fender%20tool&f=false)
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That is most certainly it. Thanks Bus, I guess I need to get better at Google patent searches. Looks like it went through a few simplifications before mine was made.
Maybe sometime you could post a brief tutorial on patent searches and if we ask Papaw real nice maybe he'd make it a sticky on the whatsit forum so that we aren't all bothering you two with simple patent searches. All I searched by was dates.
Thanks again,
JIS
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Sometimes I have good and quick success at patent searches, and other times I run aground like a wayward cruise ship.
It would be nice to have a tutorial on the subject.
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If you have a date, datamp is the best bet to start with, it is limited to tool and machine patents which eliminates looking through a lot of unrelated garbage....
Google will find more things, but there are things not in google, and things that are very very hard to find in google. If you know a date, and a good guess at a name , Bus' method often works well, if you don't have a date, and don't know precicely what you are looking for it gets hairy :(
It is nearly impossible to find a patent for 'Bent metal thing with twisted thing stuck to it and a hole in it"
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Here is a later patent for that company- http://www.datamp.org/patents/displayPics.php?source=xrefCompany4234&start=0&id=4234 (http://www.datamp.org/patents/displayPics.php?source=xrefCompany4234&start=0&id=4234)
A metal working tool-
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Sorry, guys, but I can't help going back to Papaw lying on a reef with his scuppers breeched. His patent searches are not helping the tourist trade.
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"Why's everybody always pickin" on me? Charlie Brown?"
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The English wheel came in three different sizes, as I sold a mid size one on ebay several yrs. ago. Seems like I got a little over $300.00 for it.
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I googled "It is nearly impossible to find a patent for 'Bent metal thing with twisted thing stuck to it and a hole in it""
It came back SEE RUSTY
He's really bent!
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>He's really bent!
You have no idea...
I have 3 million patent documents on my computer....
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I've got one of those,mine is about 13" wide.What are the sizes?
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How about a tyre (US tire) or tube roller for vulcanisng repairs???
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Geoff, we're pretty sure it is an English wheel, but just trying to find some history on it.
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OK
Try this one on ebay:
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OK
Try this one on ebay:
Do you have an item number?
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Unfortunatly, Bus has the right patent for the date, but not the right one for the tool. As sometimes happens, the Inventor used the original patent to protect the invention, perhaps while awaiting the issue of the newer patent...
Interestingly, the name of the company is the names of the 2 inventors involved here..
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Thanks Rusty, Fig 4 is absolutely it. I have tried it on some very thin copper sheet stock and it works as well as an English wheel. The bronze wheel needs a good cleanup before it is useable. I am not so sure how well it worked taking wrinkles out of Model a fenders that are much thicker. Thanks again for your research.
JIS
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OK
Try this one on ebay:
Do you have an item number?
I didn't look carefully enough, I just copied the image - but retraced it - it was in Australia (finished in October 2011)
link: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Vintage-handheld-english-wheel-fender-wheel-Planish-metal-shaping-bench-mount-/290613934166
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The 1922 patent is for the Stiles Rollsemout see the attached pic, I'm in the process of aquiring one. I have the pliers, hammers all 3 sizes of rollers and soon the Rollsemout. I live less than 25 miles from where they were made. I have more info putting a history of Stiles, Medart, Barrett, and Herman Johnson all partners one time or another.
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"Why's everybody always pickin" on me? Charlie Brown?"
Cause you're purdy!
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Here is a later patent for that company- http://www.datamp.org/patents/displayPics.php?source=xrefCompany4234&start=0&id=4234 (http://www.datamp.org/patents/displayPics.php?source=xrefCompany4234&start=0&id=4234)
A metal working tool-
(http://www.datamp.org/images/40376-1.jpg)
I added that one to DATAMP because the "tongs" portion with padded jaws is in dad's book (no. 268 in ANTIQUE & UNUSUAL WRENCHES ). Remember that DATAMP is the combined effort of about a dozen dedicated people. Google patent searches depend on optical character recognition of the images in microfilm copies of the patents. I don't know when the microfilming was done.
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Stan, that one looks like a marriage between a body hammer and a vice grips.
It will be interesting to see what oldgoaly turns up in his research. Mssrs. Johnson and Stiles seem to have focused on dent repair tools.
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Mr John C. Stiles seems to be the salesman!
Here are a few other Stiles Manufacturing products.
Radio appeared in 1925
wolf whistle is 1922
and my pliers with out the extensions
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Barrett went on to make drum brake and shoe repair equipment for garages and shops.
a pic of one of my shoe riveters
a pic of a summary of Stiles-Herman after they incorporated in 1928. I have found at the S.O.S. of Missouri website a pdf of scans of the original corporate formation papers, too big to post here.