Tool Talk
Blacksmith and Metal Working Forum => Blacksmith and Metalworking Forum => Topic started by: Dustin21 on January 17, 2012, 08:47:03 PM
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i have a 10-12oz ball pein hammer that has a couple chunks knocked from the sides is it possibal to grind or cut it back far enough to remove them there on the sides and like an 1/8 of an inch deep or should just use it like it is ?
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You should always dress or discard a hammer that has cracks or pieces missing. Missing pieces are usually surrounded by cracks and more pieces will come out when you strike something. As to dressing it, it depends if it was surface hardened or not, machinists hammers sometimes are, and the hardening isn't all that deep, if the face is ok, leave it and round the sides so they are smooth, if the face is damaged, and the damage is more than 1/16 , the hammer is probably suspect...
Sometimes hammers are over hardened, especially cheap import ones, and the thing will just keep popping chunks off, there isn't much you can do with those...
Using a hand file on it will tell you if it is hard on the surface or not, if it shaves off metal easily, it isn't hardened anyhow...
(Ball pein hammers with pieces missing have likely been abused, they are not sledge hammers )
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You'll have to show us.
I have saved plenty, tossed plenty too.
Just depends.
A good ball pien will be very hard all over. Maybe the face even harder, but the entire thing is plenty hard.
A 10-12 oz ball pien is not that hard to get Dust. I probably have an old head you can have.
You'll have to pay postage though. :)
yours Scott
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A blacksmith friend has two solutions. One is filling the chip with the same weld he uses for repairing anvil edges, and the other is to cut off about 1/8 inch of the face and forge welding a a piece of appropriate tool steel in its place.
But just like Scott said, these are not hard to find, and not expensive to buy. I probably have a couple myself (I've accumulated a bucket full of ball peins).
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ill snap a pic in a few just home from a bunch of doctor appointments..
the hammer in question i can make out "britain" then usa under it so i assume its a new britain
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here are pic
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They are common enough, I would find another one in better shape…
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Yeah Brian is right
Unless what you really wanted was a special purpose custom ground hammer of an unusual shape and were planning to radically alter this one anyway??
Otherwise too much trouble for a common BP.
Just find another.
Maybe remove the handle and save it, if its good.
yours Scott
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my only option is to buy new since we dont have fleas around here till fall.
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okay i decided im not gonna buy new. i just want to try restoring this i think a bit of time with a roloc disk on a 90degree die grinder wil help flatten it out and curve the edges. if that dont work ill just use the ball part for peining over pins
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Not sure how deep the temper goes on the face, it could be as shallow as 1/8”…
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Not sure how deep the temper goes on the face, it could be as shallow as 1/8”…
i dont think ill have to remove that much. we'll see tommorow if its gets warmer then the 20's and i can get the garage door open
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You could always make it into a double pein hammer.
Not many folks have one of those.....
;P
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my only option is to buy new since we dont have fleas around here till fall.
I'll bet you that one of us has a spare ball pein that could get to you before Fall. How fast do you need it? Does it
really need to be a 10-12 oz head?
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my only option is to buy new since we dont have fleas around here till fall.
I'll bet you that one of us has a spare ball pein that could get to you before Fall. How fast do you need it? Does it
really need to be a 10-12 oz head?
nope just need a smaller then 24oz head. i have no impending need for one but sometimes i encounter spots where the smaller sized heads fit better
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Smaller than 24 oz should be easy to come by. Probably take a medium flat rate box. One of us surely has something to fill the bill. I'll try to check my bucket of hammers today. Easier to ship just a head.
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Dustin, there's a 12 oz Herbrand on eBay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Old-Antique-HERBRAND-12-oz-ball-pein-hammer-/290660048182?_trksid=e11010.m263&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%252BDDSIC%26otn%3D5%26pmod%3D280808860801%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D5840804968088267306
Starting bid at $6.99 and $3.48 shipping. Less than you'd pay at Ace Hardware for a cheap 12 oz hammer.
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Dustin,
The vintage Herbrand BP hammer linked above is a deal (complete with good handle) and the head is better tool steel than you could find today if you bought new. It doesn't get any better than this...
About $10 w/shipping and you're good to go for the next 50 years.
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Dustin, if you don't want that Herbrand, say so! I could use it in my go-bag that I carry to work for picture hanging, etc.
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Why do lots of sellers refer to their items as old antiques,aren't all antiques old?
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Dustin, if you don't want that Herbrand, say so! I could use it in my go-bag that I carry to work for picture hanging, etc.
more then i want to spend have at it
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I'm on it.
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Why do lots of sellers refer to their items as old antiques,aren't all antiques old?
When I was young, antique meant at least 80 years old. I've seen more recently 100 years old. But popularly, the word has lost its precision. I think what you see is a mixture of advertising hype and just ignorance. That and an attempt to distinguish between a real antique and all the 30 year old things that are so often called antique.
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The State of Texas says a vehicle at least 25 years old is an antique, and qualifies for an antique license plate. My '78 BMW has an antique plate, but I don't consider it such. The state also says vehicle at least 25 years old can be classed as classics, so a 1985 car or motorcycle is a "Classic"- Not in my mind!