Tool Talk
Buying, Selling, and Trading => Buying, Selling, and Trading => Topic started by: kw573 on March 27, 2017, 03:15:38 PM
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DOE - not N4 - not vanadium - CI - 5/16x3/8 3/8x7/16 7/16x1/2 1/2x19 32 9/16x5/8 9/16x11/16 5/8x25/32 11/16x7/8 3/4x13/16 3/4x7/8 15/16x1
DBE - stubby U/L Craftsman 3/8x7/16 1/2x9/16
Eg:
(http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/data/4319/Stubby_Craftsman_a.JPG)
(http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/data/4319/Stubby_Craftsman_b.JPG)
Sockets - 1/4"Dr U/L Craftsman Circle H 6pt - 3/16 1/4 9/32. 12pt - 5/16 11/32 3/8 7/16
Eg:
(http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/data/4319/Craftsman_socket_b.JPG)
(http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/data/4319/Craftsman_socket_a.JPG)
Frustratingly I have bought expensive "just about right" tools from ebay which I will unload sometime.
Freight is the killer as I am in Australia.
More to be added later.
Sam.
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Sam, Can you post a photo example of what you're looking for?
Thx
Al
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wrong size, but do I have rest correct?
If so , I'll dig further
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3736/33648012226_539e4ea441_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TgmRKQ)DSCF3541 (https://flic.kr/p/TgmRKQ) by Skip Albright (https://www.flickr.com/photos/skipskip/), on Flickr
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2805/33648012346_090274d53e_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TgmRMU)DSCF3543 (https://flic.kr/p/TgmRMU) by Skip Albright (https://www.flickr.com/photos/skipskip/), on Flickr
Skip
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Al
Skip has nailed it! Thanks.
The sizes seem a bit unusual to me but I'm no expert.
I'll add more sizes/etc as energy allows! :cheesy:
Thanks.
Sam.
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Sam:
I'll dig further for these.
Please do us all a favor and introduce yourself.
and tell us about military tool kits.
many of us save what seem to be common tools hoping they will the right ones for a toolkit, but the info is hard to come by.
Skip
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Glad to Skip.
But I have run out of time right now. So in the next day or so.
Thanks.
Sam.
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Sam, I find it amusing that you're looking for 1/4" drive sockets for a WW2 Heavy Wrecker. http://www.papawswrench.com/vboard/Smileys/popos/grin.gif That's gotta be tuff finding vintage tools way down there. Shipping will be a killer. I had a friend down there that I shipped some plastic model car parts to and the shipping was more than the parts. Good luck!
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Yes shipping is the killer. It doubles or triples the cost.
Just bought some heavy items from USA. cost=USD100. shipping=USD150.
Yes the big wrecker has 1/4"drive tools listed.
I have technology issues that make typing very slow (some keys stopped working) so full reply awaits repairs.
Sam.
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Technology issues fixed.
I'll put an introduction post in that section.
Sam.
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Here is a picture from the Technical Manual (TM) of the hand tools box that mounts on the rear body of the M1A1.
(http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/data/4319/M1A1_Hand_Tools_box1.JPG)
And here is a picture of my Heavy Wrecker M1A1, off to a rally several years ago.
(http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/data/3391/Bundy_Swim-in_2013_b.JPG)
The tool box is a Plomb product, I don't know the model or anything else about it. But I did manage to get a hold of a tatty incomplete one to get me started.
(http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/data/4319/M1A1_yellow_Plomb_Hand_Tools_Box_4_2017.JPG)
Comments from those more knowledgeable than I?
Sam.
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Seems to be odd that you would have a Plvmb tool box with the C-man underline tools or am I off base-meaning that you are just using a used Plvmb box until you find the political C-Man box? I have never seen a C-man box that was marked as of that vintage with a underline marking on same?? Maybe some of the other tool gods can chime in on this one!
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Could that just be the way that the truck manufacturer furnished the tools? Plomb box, C-man tools inside?
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Hi Gentlemen,
There has been a bit of water under the bridge since my last post.
The MV tool specialists have come to the consensus that, as Plumb owned P&C tools, it probably had them originally in the box.
It is, apparently, a Plumb model 9990 box. It appears in the 1948 P&C catalogue, I'm told.
My realistic chance of assembling a P&C kit is a number approaching zero :rolleyes:. As I have, in my ignorance, already started on a period-correct Craftsman set, I'll continue. Note that the TM picture is indicative only, and there is a real chance that the box could have been filled by whatever brand was available at the time, or even a mixture of brands. Times were pressing!
Further, and some comments here are welcome, I'm told that there were no Craftsman-branded 3/4"dr. sockets in WW2, but that the circle K stuff (made by SK) is post war. So a suitable 'bedfellow' in a kit of Craftsman would be SK branded 3/4"dr. sockets.
What do you think?
Then, how do I identify that SK tools are WW2/1940s', and not pre- or post-war?
Yes, it is not perfect, but will have to do in the medium term.
Hope this helps.
Have a nice day.
Sam
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I don't think it would matter if they were pre-war. With all the shortages during the war I imagine they would have grabbed whatever was still in the bins. Seen later military sets that were a real mix, but the sizes were all there.
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No expert on the subject but my observation from gov paper lists and assembled kits I've seen there is almost always a mix of manufacturers They just used what ever was avaliable to assemble kits to send out.
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No offers yet.
Still looking.
See lists in first post above.
Thanks,
Sam.
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I have been collecting Plomb WF series fore several years. WF stands for "Wright Field" and were WWII government issue. They are the tools produced by Plomb for the war.
I have an original catalog, and two price lists effective Feb 15, 1942. My catalog and price lists are marked
[center]Property of U.S.A.A.F.
LIBRARY
G.A.P. No. 1 WD-101
OFFUTT FIELD
EAST CROOK, NEBRASKA[/center]
Your kit looks like it has(my thoughts):
1. A Plomb 9990 Master Tool Chest
2. *Either P&C or Bog ratchets, possibly marked Plomb. Plomb acquired P&C in 1941 and Bog around 1940.
3. I have seen Plomb family 1/4" ratchet sets with the socket tray centered as in your example.(and in your picture of the toolbox) In the 1942 catalog the tray is offset, connecting 6to the right side. There is an example on an old Garage Journal for sale ad:
(http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac6/chillylulu/2017%20Tools/socketsets008_zpstuldwsvg.jpg) (http://s880.photobucket.com/user/chillylulu/media/2017%20Tools/socketsets008_zpstuldwsvg.jpg.html)
Although your picture could be an artists rendering, the Plomb speeders were almost always bent at straight (90°) at the socket side bends and angled at the handle side bends in the 1940 catalog. I've found pictures of Plomb speeders with both sides angled though, as shown in these pics from an Ebay listing:
(http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac6/chillylulu/2017%20Tools/plomb%20Speeder%20on%20ebay2_zpsgirk8y1i.jpg) (http://s880.photobucket.com/user/chillylulu/media/2017%20Tools/plomb%20Speeder%20on%20ebay2_zpsgirk8y1i.jpg.html)
(http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac6/chillylulu/2017%20Tools/plomb%20Speeder%20on%20ebay1_zps9iupgkrv.jpg) (http://s880.photobucket.com/user/chillylulu/media/2017%20Tools/plomb%20Speeder%20on%20ebay1_zps9iupgkrv.jpg.html)
Note that the speeder in your picture has the same type of flare at the drive end.
Plombs 1/4" socket screwdriver attachments were straight after the socket end. Your picture shows tapered out at the bit end.
I think that any of the companies in the Plomb family could have supplied the tools for your kit.
Whether the tools in your kit are WF tools is not known, but I kind of doubt it. My guess is that the kit was included by the vehicle manufacturer or rather by the company who built the wrecker onto the chassis? I don't think that there were any 8pt WF sockets, but you would assume that there would be.
Chilly
* Bog ratchets are consistent with Plomb, as Plomb likely acquired Bog by 1940
from Alloy Artifacts
"There are at least some indications of a connection between Bog Manufacturing and the Plomb Tool Company during the 1940s and later. Bog is known to have assisted with Plomb's tool production during the war, as an example has been found of a Bog 202A ratchet marked as a Plomb WF-38. In addition, Ben Pepperdine assigned at least two patents to Plomb Tool, #2,518,173 filed in 1945 and #2,811,068 filed posthumously after Pepperdine's death in 1955.
The hints and speculation in the previous paragraphs were finally resolved by the January 2010 discovery that by 1940 Bog Manufacturing had changed its name to the Cragin Tool Company. A 1940 directory of Illinois corporations (published by the secretary of state) listed the Cragin Tool Company at 2120 North Menard Avenue, the same address used by Bog for many years, and the owners were listed as Ben and Dora Pepperdine. Readers familiar with the history of Plomb Tool will immediately recognize the name "Cragin Tool" as a 1940 acquisition by Plomb, and the recognition of Cragin Tool as the successor to Bog provides conclusive evidence that by 1940 the former Bog Manufacturing had become part of the Plomb family of companies.
Postscript
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We can add a final footnote to Bog's later history with the October 2015 discovery that Cragin Tool was reorganized and renamed to form the Penens Corporation, a well known part of the Plomb family. (Penens had long been incorrectly reported as a separate acquisition by Plomb.) Penens continued to use the Menard Avenue factory until around 1948, when they moved to nearby Schiller Park. Penens later developed the Fleet and Challenger line of tools, and in the 1960s Penens was renamed to Fleet Tools."