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What's-It Forum => What's-It Forum => Topic started by: Stoney on October 16, 2011, 08:23:52 PM

Title: What's't 1
Post by: Stoney on October 16, 2011, 08:23:52 PM

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Can anyone tell me about the tool in the middle?  I think maybe a re-threading tool.

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one side.

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The other side.

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J.M. King Co. Waterford N.Y.  Model 37

Title: Re: What's't 1
Post by: Papaw on October 16, 2011, 08:37:26 PM

Stoney, we discussed one like it recently- http://www.papawswrench.com/vboard/index.php?topic=299.msg1716#msg1716

Title: Re: What's't 1
Post by: Stoney on October 16, 2011, 11:08:14 PM

Thanks Papaw. It will hang in my blacksmith shop when I get it finished.  How old do you think it might be?

Title: Re: What's't 1
Post by: Papaw on October 16, 2011, 11:30:00 PM

Easy 100 years old.

Title: Re: What's't 1
Post by: wvtools on October 18, 2011, 08:52:47 AM

The EAIA Directory of American Toolmakers (1999) lists J.M. King & Co. as circa 1887-1910.  I have had several of those types of tools, and some from that company.

Title: Re: What's't 1
Post by: Stoney on October 18, 2011, 08:01:59 PM

Thanks ya'll for the info.  I watched the Wood Wright Shop episode and now the hunt is on for the missing dies and the tapered taps for each size. I also found drawings showing the complete set in Dovers reprint of the "Turn of the Century Farm Tools and Implements Peter Henderson & Co" page 34 center page, in the ad for blacksmith tools.   Definitely a using blacksmith tool for the shop.

Title: Re: What's't 1
Post by: Branson on October 18, 2011, 09:50:02 PM

I think I remember a first patent date of 1827 for these.  I know they were standard issue for artillery artificers by 1859.  And while you're looking, look for three of each; Wayne and I would both like some.

A friend tried one out, by the way, after seeing that Woodwright Shop episode.  It worked well.

Title: Re: What's't 1
Post by: john k on October 18, 2011, 09:51:17 PM

This threader was made before the days of (standard size).  There was blacksmith standard thread to a point but, it all depended on how much you tightened down on the die.  Taking apart blacksmith made items, it is often advisable to put the nuts back on the original bolts, as things may vary 1/16 or more.   Got a set of these cutters myself. 

Title: Re: What's't 1
Post by: Stoney on October 19, 2011, 11:18:31 AM

Ever with  today's  fasteners, it is standard in our shop to put nuts back on bolts and bolts back in holes when tearing down tractors and equipment.  I once saw a B John Deere tractor torn down with all the bolts and nuts in a 5 gallon barrel.  He never did put that tractor back together.  Said the bolts wouldn't fit.  He sold the whole tractor for scrap.

Branson I may have a source.  Keep your fingers crossed.