Tool Talk
Buying, Selling, and Trading => The Missing Link => Topic started by: bird on September 26, 2011, 07:17:21 PM
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Hi guys, I'm looking for a low angle block plane..... let me know if you have one for sale.
cheers,
bird
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I might have one, if I can find it. Well, I do have several, but the ones I'm not using are probably in storage.
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I'd be interested in what you have. If you get around to it, let me know..... although, things in storage could take years to find!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cheers, bird
PS I'm so mad, I put in a bid for a Stanley 65 plane, and forgot about it. Someone bought it for 40 bucks, I think. Damn, I need to keep track of things!
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Which cap?
A knuckle cap (especially sweetheart) in great shape, 40 was cheap.
A regular cap from another era and 40 was a bit too much.
Did you miss out or dodge the bullet??
yours Scott
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I believe it was the sweetheart .............. the one that I'm seeing on ebay going for 50-150 bucks right now. Anyhow, as far as I know, the 65 stanley is a good one to own.
cheers, bird
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Well its a great plane alright.
But what is your glove size Jenny?
The 65 is big. I wear a size 8, I seldom reach for mine.
I would suggest a sweet little 60 1/2 if you are getting your first low angle.
Much cheaper and just so grab-able. I keep 2 of them in the rotation all the time.
yours Scott
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The 60 1/2 is a good bet -- low angle and adjustable mouth. Good little plane. I tend to find them around for about $5.
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The 60 1/2 is a good bet -- low angle and adjustable mouth. Good little plane. I tend to find them around for about $5.
I agree with Branson. And like he said they can be found pretty reasonably priced. I will look to see if I have something.
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Well its a great plane alright.
But what is your glove size Jenny?
The 65 is big. I wear a size 8, I seldom reach for mine.
I would suggest a sweet little 60 1/2 if you are getting your first low angle.
Much cheaper and just so grab-able. I keep 2 of them in the rotation all the time.
yours Scott
I'm guessing my "glove size" is much smaller then any of yours. So, you think the 60 1/2 is a good plane? I must have five block planes sharpened to slightly different degrees, but, I don't have an actual low angle plane. ..... I suppose my fingures are long enough........... I play the piano at least a half an hour a day.
cheers, bird
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I'm guessing my "glove size" is much smaller then any of yours. So, you think the 60 1/2 is a good plane? I must have five block planes sharpened to slightly different degrees, but, I don't have an actual low angle plane. ..... I suppose my fingures are long enough........... I play the piano at least a half an hour a day.
cheers, bird
I think the 60 1/2 is probably just the plane for you, then. It's the narrowest of the low angles, and ought to fit your hand fine.
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Open your hand out and measure just below the knuckles with a tailors tape. That's your glove size. Ladies sizes are different than mens when it comes to large, med and small, but they are at least known sizes.
You never know until you know. Hands come in all sizes. Huge people can have small hands and vise-versa. That bony little Jimi Hendrix had hands like a catchers mitt! My friend Bill Franklin had thumbnails you could park cars on!
Everything used to be cued to a persons glove size, before the world went to, one-size-fits-none.
I have been known to carve saw and plane totes to fit glove sizes. I don't understand why everyone doesn't.
Nobody wears shoes that are a terrible fit. You should try doing precision work with a poorly fitted tool?
Might as well stand on one foot in a bucket of peanut butter and whistle Dixie as try to do great work with an ill fitting tool.
But yeah as a general ballpark, I suspect the 60 1/2 might fall right into your hand.
Try one.
But in case the #65 is too big and the 60 1/2 is too small?
Sargent made a low angle block (generally a huge glove size I think, maybe an 11!) and Millers Falls made one (maybe a bit smaller than a 65), each with slightly different geometry, and Tom Lie-Neilsen makes one or two now and his are slightly different sizes as well.
yours Scott
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OK, I'm still not sure how to get my hand size, ... which knuckle? I'm probably being stupid, but I'd like to know.... makes sense, I don't want a size 4 shoe!!!!!
cheers, bird
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Bird,
I'm a big fan of the Stanley #60, #60 1/2, #65, and #65 1/2. All have irons bedded at a low angle, all have adjustable throats, and all are relatively common, so parts are readily available. I tend to like a heavy plane, so I do favor the #65 equipped with the closed knuckle cap, versus the open style cap as is found on the #65 1/2. The draw back to the #65 is its size. It is a little bigger, and heavier, than the #60 and #60 1/2, and there are many times when a smaller plane is the right plane for the job at hand. But, I still like a little extra weight. As a result, I bought a Lie-Nielsen #60 1/2. It's the same size as the old Stanley #60 1/2, the iron is bedded at a low angle, the throat is adjustable, AND it has the closed cap that I like. And like I said earlier, the Lie-Nielsen #60 1/2 is a little heavier than the tried and true Stanley version. The draw backs to a Lie-Nielsen are the price (they're expensive at probably $160) and the enjoyment of using a vintage hand plane from years gone by is lost. I have to admit, my Lie-Nielsen #60 1/2 is on my bench from the start of any project to the very end. It's a fantastic tool. If you decide it's not the plane for you, I'd HIGHLY recommend the Stanley #60 1/2. A proven winner without a doubt!!
Jim C.
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OK, I'm still not sure how to get my hand size, ... which knuckle? I'm probably being stupid, but I'd like to know.... makes sense, I don't want a size 4 shoe!!!!!
cheers, bird
OK, you asked for it :) heehehehe
I cannot draw on a flat surface. If I can get my hands all the way around something, I have a chance. But flat media of any kind, forget it. My eyes don't work in 2D.
But here you go anyway. Your glove size.
yous Scott
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hehehe...I like your picture better, but... http://www.glove.org/glovemeasure.php
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Bird, I found a second 60 1/2 in one of my tool boxes. It's got some rust, and needs a little TLC, but it's a good plane. Could probably dress up to near new. Maybe I could get a picture. My other one is rustless, but the knob that tightens the adjustable mouth ... Well, it holds it in place, but if you loosen it to move the mouth, it doesn't hold enough to lever the mouth piece open and closed.
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My other one is rustless, but the knob that tightens the adjustable mouth ... Well, it holds it in place, but if you loosen it to move the mouth, it doesn't hold enough to lever the mouth piece open and closed.
Not a problem. Somebody set it up to operate without the little eccentric lever. Or maybe the knob itself is just older.
None of the early planes even had an eccentric lever.
And honestly who opens and closes the mouth that much?? You set it the way you want it once, and leave it. The reason I keep more than one of each in rotation is so I can have one super tight, super finely set and another looser and coarser.
Hog the chips with one, then smooth it off with the other.
Its a whole lot faster than trying to readjust.
Take 'em both Jenny!! :)
yours Scott
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Not even Bird can get them both! I use 'em! I'm trying to remember about the one -- I seem to remember that the eccentric lever was gone, and I found the part and replaced it. Could be an older knob, or the knob could have been shortened when the eccentric was lost, like so many small parts of things.
My planes tend to travel with the work, so I open and close the mouth frequently to help protect the blade. It's just the tool for working on-site with wood sash and doors, and other fitting tasks in finish carpentry.
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OK, so I think I'm a size 9.... didn't have a tailor's tape near buy, but, I used a string and then measured it... does that sound right?
cheers, bird
OK, I'm still not sure how to get my hand size, ... which knuckle? I'm probably being stupid, but I'd like to know.... makes sense, I don't want a size 4 shoe!!!!!
cheers, bird
OK, you asked for it :) heehehehe
I cannot draw on a flat surface. If I can get my hands all the way around something, I have a chance. But flat media of any kind, forget it. My eyes don't work in 2D.
But here you go anyway. Your glove size.
yous Scott
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Boy are you lucky for a girl, concerning tools. Size 9 is very large for a woman. This means your hand is the equivalent to a size med (or 9) for men.
This also means most tool handles, saws and plane totes etc, will fit you fine.
No wonder you are interested in woodworking with hand tools!
Many modern men have size 10 or bigger.
A guy with 11's (and I know a bunch) have an uncomfortable time with many tools. Older tools were made smaller before people got so big.
Still sound like the 60 1/2 is ideal for you. It is for me and I wear basically the same size as you.
yours Scott
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I play the piano better then most---- maybe that's why! (I'm not a conceded person.... I can't even read music.... but, I love to play)
cheers, bird
Boy are you lucky for a girl, concerning tools. Size 9 is very large for a woman. This means your hand is the equivalent to a size med (or 9) for men.
This also means most tool handles, saws and plane totes etc, will fit you fine.
No wonder you are interested in woodworking with hand tools!
Many modern men have size 10 or bigger.
A guy with 11's (and I know a bunch) have an uncomfortable time with many tools. Older tools were made smaller before people got so big.
Still sound like the 60 1/2 is ideal for you. It is for me and I wear basically the same size as you.
yours Scott
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I didn't read music until I was at least 45.
I still don't care about it, but I can if I want.
The trick is, start at the bottom line, and read UP!
It took forever for someone to make that simplest of concepts clear to me.
Count the lines starting at the bottom.
E very G ood B oy D oes F ine
Inbetween spaces it reads F-A-C-E
Or, of course, reading every line and space....... EFGABCDE and on and on it goes
So there, now you read music too.
yours Scott
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Always a joy to talk to you. I can read music if I have to. But it's much easier for me to listen to something, and then usually I can play..... avoiding that whole reading mess! I roughly... very roughly can play guitar, fiddle, and saxophone (alto, tenner, and baritone..... but, I liked playing the baritone the best).
I stick the guitar and piano. My brother has a banjo that I fully plan on stealing. ... don't even know if he ever got around to playing it.... no chance he will now with a 3 6 year old in his life!!!! I figure it's mine for the taking!!!!!
cheers, bird
I didn't read music until I was at least 45.
I still don't care about it, but I can if I want.
The trick is, start at the bottom line, and read UP!
It took forever for someone to make that simplest of concepts clear to me.
Count the lines starting at the bottom.
E very G ood B oy D oes F ine
Inbetween spaces it reads F-A-C-E
Or, of course, reading every line and space....... EFGABCDE and on and on it goes
So there, now you read music too.
yours Scott