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Title: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: Bus on April 01, 2015, 03:03:23 AM
The Spring 2015 Wrenching News Antique Wrench Catalog is finally complete and on the web at:

http://wrenchingnews.com/2015-york-auction/catalog.html (http://wrenchingnews.com/2015-york-auction/catalog.html)

All the photos can be seen at:

http://wrenchingnews.com/2015-york-auction/all-pics-one-page.html (http://wrenchingnews.com/2015-york-auction/all-pics-one-page.html)

In case you haven't heard the main attraction is the super large and super rare 72" Coes Model Key Wrench. Rustcollector on his facebook farm wrench site has started a contest to guess the hammer price. I will up the stakes a little and give one of my 4-5/8" "Baby Coes" wrenches to a member of Papaws Tool Board who comes within $100.00 of the final price. If more than one person guesses within $!00.00 the closest wins.

Below are the auction photos and catalog description of the big boy.


0630. PAT. OCT 20. 1903 - MADE BY COES WRENCH CO (marked on the upper jaw) - TRADEMARK KEY MODEL with a skeleton key logo (marked on handle shaft) - - 72" Coes largest Key Model adjustable wrench. Patented by Loring Coes of Worcester, Mass, (Loring Coes' last wrench patent).


The rest of the story: I never dreamed that I would have the opportunity to sell one these mammoth wrenches but they all changed when I got a call from British Columbia from a collector who had just purchased one from a retired bridge contractor. After a few more phone calls he consented to let us sell it on this auction. It arrived in a 53" Roadway semi-trailer and with help from the driver slid it from the trailer into my van. When I got home I took it out of it's crate and slid it onto a dolly and wheeled it under our carport where I took the photos.

This is only the second 72" Coes Key Wrench that have been discovered by collectors. For years rumors of one residing somewhere in New England floated around tools shows till Herb Page author of "The Brother Coes and Their Wrench Legacy of Wrenches" tracked it down and after a couple years and two trips from the Midwest to the East Coast managed to purchase the only one known at the time. It had came out of one of the offices of Billings & Spencer when they closed and had evidently never been sold and was passed from The Coes Wrench Company to Bemis & Call to Billings & Spencer as The Coes Wrench Company changed owners. Herb later put on his best suit and had a photograph taken of him standing beside the wrench like the iconic photo of Frank Coes standing by one with a "Baby Coes between the jaws, I wonder if they are photos of the same wrench? According to advertisements announcing the new 72" size to their 28". 36" and 48" Key Wrenches it was a special order item that was intended mainly for bridge builders. According to the announcement the jaws weighed 33-1/2 pounds; adjusting screw, 5-1/2 pounds; strap, 8-1/2 pound; key, 4-1/2 pounds and bar, 114 pounds for a total of 166 pounds! It was advertised by Coes as "probably the largest adjustable wrench ever made".

This wrench maybe the only remaining example of one that was actually sold. The previous owner said he never used the wrench and he doubted that it was ever used and it doesn't show any signs of use with no dings around the jaw edges which usage usually causes. A beautiful impressive wrench with dark patina and no defects. The only thing that I should mention is that at one time parts were painted with a reddish brown paint (probably for owner's identification) and there is some paint residue left. This really doesn't distract from the appearance and could easily be removed if desired.

The markings on this one are different than the one Herb Page owned. His was only marked "PAT. OCT 20. 1903 - MADE BY COES WRENCH CO " on the shaft. This one has those markings on the upper jaw and is also marked "TRADEMARK KEY MODEL" with their skeleton key logo on the shaft.

A once in a life time opportunity to own one of the largest, rarest, most impressive and most desirable of all collectible wrenches. I usually don't include an expected price but I have had several inquires as to the hammer price of this one. Herb Page valued it at $12.500 in his 2005 Price Guide in his Coes book. Four of the twelve or thirteen know examples of the John Deere TR590 cutout wrenches have sold in the last few years between $10,000 (with a broken letter) and $20,000 and this wrench is about six times rarer than the TR590. Have fun bidding and Good Luck.

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Loring Coes with 72" Coes Key Model Wrench                           Herb Page with 72" Coes Key Model Wrench

Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: Papaw on April 01, 2015, 09:51:54 AM
I posted my guess.
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: jimwrench on April 01, 2015, 10:20:34 AM
Too late I posted my guess also.
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: turnnut on April 01, 2015, 12:13:49 PM
Bus, my guess has been posted.

 I sure wish that I could get my weight down to the same as that wrench.
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: Bus on April 01, 2015, 12:24:18 PM
Would you guys post your guesses here so I can keep track of them. So far I have:

rustcollector - $15,500
rudeawakening55 - $7,500
Papaw - $16,555
jimwrench - $24,100.
turnnut - $16,600
Lewill2 - $14,800
Yadda - $25,300
bill300d - $12,200
1930 - $25,301
Carl Wagner - $11,700
BRwrench - $21,000
Chillylulu - $18, 640
eddie hudson - $18,350
stanley62 - $15,000
Nolatoolguy - $19,150
Plyerman - $17,000
Heelspur - $26,850
skipskip - $11,245
gibsontool - $31,555
johnsironsanctuary - $26,165
Mitch - $29,300
stillfishin - $10,501
mvwcnews - $16,600
northkid - $13,750


Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: Lewill2 on April 01, 2015, 12:31:57 PM
$14,800.00
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: Yadda on April 01, 2015, 02:55:36 PM
I'm in.

I straightened up the list. I hope no one minds.

Lewill2 - $14,800.00
rustcollector - $15,500.
Papaw - 16,555
turnnut - $16,600
jimwrench - $24100.
Yadda - $25,300.
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: bill300d on April 01, 2015, 05:12:34 PM
$12,200
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: 1930 on April 01, 2015, 06:20:35 PM
25,301  :grin:
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: Carl Wagner on April 01, 2015, 07:21:25 PM
$11,700. Playing it conservative.
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: BRwrench on April 01, 2015, 08:06:03 PM
21,000
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: mvwcnews on April 01, 2015, 08:19:19 PM
Our local govt. will be gratified if your guesses are anywhere close -- the City of York has 2% sales tax  (1/2 % is special use for interlocal  -- City & School District -- projects including street improvements, new sports facilities, etc. )  And the State of Nebraska gets 5 1/2% -- so if you have a tax exempt number for your collection "business," be sure to invoke it.
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: Chillylulu on April 01, 2015, 10:48:01 PM
$18, 640.00

Chilly
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: eddie hudson on April 02, 2015, 09:12:41 AM
$18,350
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: stanley62 on April 02, 2015, 05:02:07 PM
$15,000
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: rustcollector on April 02, 2015, 06:32:23 PM
Pretty cool of you to do that Bus. I was trying to come up with something for a prize on the facebook group, but didn't have anything on hand that I thought was fitting, the baby coes is the perfect prize.
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: Nolatoolguy on April 02, 2015, 08:00:11 PM
19,150
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: Plyerman on April 02, 2015, 09:25:17 PM
There is a listing for an old 1925 Coes advertisement on eBay at the moment. Hopefully the seller will not mind if I repost a copy of it here.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/Bobbys%20II/coes_zpsuf7g6s2g.jpg)



Key model sizes 28-36-48 and the 72" on special order.  Wonder how much it cost back then?


I'll guess $17,000 for the MVWC auction please.

Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: turnnut on April 02, 2015, 09:59:07 PM
I have the original catalog and price list book No. 30 
Bemis and Call and Coes Wrenches. Springfield, Massachusetts. U.S.A.

page 18, COES GENUINE KEY MODEL
28" opens 5 1?8" weighs 19 lbs. list price $18.00 each
36" opens 6 1?4" weighs 28 lbs. list price $38.00 each  ( I have this one) ( 37 3/4"  long )
48" opens 9 1/2" weighs 62 lbs. list price $84.oo each
* It cannot slip off the nut or union and it will not injure a nut if properly fitted.

NOTE; they do not mention the 72" wrench.

I am trying to locate my book on the history of Coe's.  I think that they might have the
info on the 72"
 
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: rustcollector on April 03, 2015, 06:11:12 AM
Bus talks about how there are different markings on the 2 known. I wonder if you will find any 2 alike exactly, if any more are even found at all. Since they were special order items.
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: HeelSpur on April 03, 2015, 03:50:23 PM
$26,850
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: skipskip on April 03, 2015, 09:34:37 PM
Skip says:

$11,245

that's less than a bear trap
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: gibsontool on April 03, 2015, 09:50:34 PM
My W.A.G. is $ 31,555.
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: Chillylulu on April 04, 2015, 12:32:25 AM
Only 6-1/2  hrs away?  Hmmmmm,....
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on April 04, 2015, 02:03:05 AM
Would you guys post your guesses here so I can keep track of them. So far I have:
wrenchguy-30,000
rustcollector - $15,500
rudeawakening55 - $7,500
Papaw - $16,555
jimwrench - $24,100.
turnnut - $16,600
Lewill2 - $14,800
Yadda - $25,300
bill300d - $12,200
1930 - $25,301
Carl Wagner - $11,700
BRwrench - $21,000
Chillylulu - $18, 640
eddie hudson - $18,350
stanley62 - $15,000
Nolatoolguy - $19,150
Plyerman - $17,000
Heelspur - $26,850
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on April 04, 2015, 02:28:28 AM
to whom it may concern, lot 714 is not a "standard ditching machine" wrench.  Thru my research i found this wrench in caterpillar parts book for the mogul grader they produced immediately after purchasing the russell road machinery co 1928.  I believe it could either be a russell wrench or a caterpillar wrench depending on how its marked.  If the other side of the wrench reads "super mogul"
"super special" i consider it a russell wrench.  If the other side is blank or marked m350 i consider it a caterpillar wrench.  pm me for more information if you like. 

edit,I now see lot 349 too, i consider it a russell grader axle nut wrench for their super mogul and super special graders.
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on April 04, 2015, 02:57:38 AM
whats the weight difference between the 2.  thats gotta be plus for the coes, uhhh... but it ain't j deere :sad:
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: Bus on April 04, 2015, 03:05:59 AM
to whom it may concern, lot 714 is not a "standard ditching machine" wrench.  Thru my research i found this wrench in caterpillar parts book for the mogul grader they produced immediately after purchasing the russell road machinery co 1928.  I believe it could either be a russell wrench or a caterpillar wrench depending on how its marked.  If the other side of the wrench reads "super mogul"
"super special" i consider it a russell wrench.  If the other side is blank or marked m350 i consider it a caterpillar wrench.  pm me for more information if you like. 

edit,I now see lot 349 too, i consider it a russell grader axle nut wrench for their super mogul and super special graders.

If you can scan the Cat parts list that shows the wrench and any other info you have I will show Rathbone when I see him at the York show and sale, Thanks, Bus

Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: Bus on April 04, 2015, 03:18:31 AM
whats the weight difference between the 2.  thats gotta be plus for the coes, uhhh... but it ain't j deere :sad:

Do you mean between the 72" Key Model and the Baby Coes? That difference would probably be about 165-1/2 pounds.
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on April 04, 2015, 07:40:02 AM
to whom it may concern, lot 714 is not a "standard ditching machine" wrench.  Thru my research i found this wrench in caterpillar parts book for the mogul grader they produced immediately after purchasing the russell road machinery co 1928.  I believe it could either be a russell wrench or a caterpillar wrench depending on how its marked.  If the other side of the wrench reads "super mogul"
"super special" i consider it a russell wrench.  If the other side is blank or marked m350 i consider it a caterpillar wrench.  pm me for more information if you like. 

edit,I now see lot 349 too, i consider it a russell grader axle nut wrench for their super mogul and super special graders.

If you can scan the Cat parts list that shows the wrench and any other info you have I will show Rathbone when I see him at the York show and sale, Thanks, Bus

email sent.
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on April 04, 2015, 07:45:53 AM
whats the weight difference between the 2.  thats gotta be plus for the coes, uhhh... but it ain't j deere :sad:

Do you mean between the 72" Key Model and the Baby Coes? That difference would probably be about 165-1/2 pounds.

no i meant the weight diff between the jd tr590 and the 72"er. if i was a millionare i'd buy that 72"er, its prob not going to come around again in my lifetime.  good luck with ur sale.
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: johnsironsanctuary on April 04, 2015, 08:23:12 AM
I'll guess $26,165. Good luck with the sale Bus. Now the question is, which wall is strong enough to hang it on? Hmmmmmmm....... Oh well, A guy can dream.
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: Plyerman on April 04, 2015, 09:02:24 AM
I'll guess $26,165. Good luck with the sale Bus. Now the question is, which wall is strong enough to hang it on? Hmmmmmmm....... Oh well, A guy can dream.

If I sold my house I could afford it....but then I wouldn't have a wall to hang it on. Such a dilemma.
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: rustcollector on April 04, 2015, 12:47:58 PM
I'll guess $26,165. Good luck with the sale Bus. Now the question is, which wall is strong enough to hang it on? Hmmmmmmm....... Oh well, A guy can dream.

If I sold my house I could afford it....but then I wouldn't have a wall to hang it on. Such a dilemma.

Not necessarily, we all are guessing good chunks of change, but it's always possible it only brings 3 or 4 thousand too. I would tend to doubt it, but one never knows until the hammer drops. Makes an auction fun, but also a bit scary if you are the one selling. People will tell you all day long how much something may be "worth", but they aren't always the ones handing over the cash either. I couldn't imagine what it would bring if there were still American companies manufacturing wrenches along the same lines. Could be like Deere and the all wheel drive Dain tractor that came with the TR590 wrench. I'd still like to know what they paid for that tractor to get it back....I know, the wrench came with the tractor, but I like my word usage better...lol.
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: Mitch on April 04, 2015, 02:41:18 PM
$29,300
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: stillfishin on April 08, 2015, 07:23:07 PM
10501
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: mvwcnews on April 08, 2015, 09:36:25 PM
"Bus" asked when I was going to post my guess..  I'm guessing a lot less than a hernia repair surgery -- I tried to pick up the small end from the table this afternoon on my way home from work ("Bus" was busy unboxing & unwrapping inventory) -- and having rung up produce all afternoon ( my work vest has a "spark" on the back )  my guess is somewhere around $100.00 per pound or $235.00 per inch.

4/9/2015 -- ooops 4/10/2015  (Have to be at the Auditorium in 5 1/2 hrs to be ready for the Wrench Club Spring Meet )
The adjustment on that Key Model is wicked stiff -- needs some "slick 50" or something to lube it.  "Bus" wants to pose it on a bathroom scale to see what it weighs -- Herb Page & Don Ervin think this one is heavier than the one they are familiar with -- you can see the forge hammer marks where they formed the handle taper.

4/11/2015  Post. Script.
According to my cheap old bathroom scale the Key Model weighs 160 lbs  and $100 per pound was right on the money for that weight -- $16K.  Pending delivery it is visiting my house.  My wife is very nervous about having something so rare under our roof.  Attached is a photo of two kids playing with the neighbors' toys.
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: northkid on April 09, 2015, 10:53:14 PM
13,750
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: Plyerman on April 16, 2015, 08:55:58 PM
"Bus" asked when I was going to post my guess..  I'm guessing a lot less than a hernia repair surgery -- I tried to pick up the small end from the table this afternoon on my way home from work ("Bus" was busy unboxing & unwrapping inventory) -- and having rung up produce all afternoon ( my work vest has a "spark" on the back )  my guess is somewhere around $100.00 per pound or $235.00 per inch.

4/9/2015 -- ooops 4/10/2015  (Have to be at the Auditorium in 5 1/2 hrs to be ready for the Wrench Club Spring Meet )
The adjustment on that Key Model is wicked stiff -- needs some "slick 50" or something to lube it.  "Bus" wants to pose it on a bathroom scale to see what it weighs -- Herb Page & Don Ervin think this one is heavier than the one they are familiar with -- you can see the forge hammer marks where they formed the handle taper.

4/11/2015  Post. Script.
According to my cheap old bathroom scale the Key Model weighs 160 lbs  and $100 per pound was right on the money for that weight -- $16K.  Pending delivery it is visiting my house.  My wife is very nervous about having something so rare under our roof.  Attached is a photo of two kids playing with the neighbors' toys.

(http://www.papawswrench.com/vboard/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16163.0;attach=37077;image)



160 pounds! Makes that 32-incher look downright puny in comparison. :wink:
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: Yadda on April 17, 2015, 12:43:04 PM
If I had the big wrench I would be inclined to try it out on something.   I would probably end up getting arrested late at night for tightening nuts/bolts on a nearby bridge. :grin:
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: Mitch on April 19, 2015, 10:19:47 AM
How much did that 32" go for? At the flea market today saw one about that size, maybe a little larger. Guy wanted 20 for it. I passed, but I'm curious.
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: Papaw on April 19, 2015, 11:59:53 AM
Mitch, if it was a 32" Coes Key model you need to go back and snag it!
Title: Re: 4-5/8" Baby Coes Wrench for guessing Price of 72" Coes Key Model Wrench
Post by: mvwcnews on April 19, 2015, 02:17:41 PM
How much did that 32" go for? At the flea market today saw one about that size, maybe a little larger. Guy wanted 20 for it. I passed, but I'm curious.
Nominal 28" (actual overall length 32") -- $300.00 at Spring Auction.  Anything less than $150.00 for a good straight working one with no broken parts is a "good deal." They are still perfectly functional working tools for some situations.