Tool Talk
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: 1930 on January 12, 2015, 07:23:45 PM
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I need to get some of these going again but have no experience with going thru air tools successfully. Is there anyone here that is able to give me some tips/pointers on common malfunctions and what sort of things I should be looking for?
Start out with these 3/8 drive snap-on air ratchets, the one on the far left I bought new quite a few years ago, I rarely used it cause I always had older beaters to use and I figured I would preserve this one for the good paying jobs ( those were few and far between ) This particular ratchet would literally twist your arm off if not careful, very powerful and then all of a sudden one day it just stopped working. I will have to bring it to work tomm and run some air through it to give a better explanation of what exactly happens. I just remember saying to myself at the time that whatever has happened did so because of a lack of use, just sitting can sometimes be worse for machinery than everyday constant use.
The middle one I have no idea where that one stands except that I do not believe it has much power anymore ( could be wrong ) I think that maybe the head is worn.....if that is the case than Id like some opinions on whether a rebuild kit is worthwhile, never installed one and am leery cause I am un-sure if doing so is only temporarily buying me time for a tool that is just worn out.
Farthest to the left is now that I think about it the one I picked up off the road a while back, it may not have any issues, will find out tomm when I get back to the shop.
Thanks for any and all comments/experiences.
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Here is a parts break down for the far left ratchet, maybe someone with experience can tell me what parts will typically go bad other then the head, I am sure that is not the issue with this particular ratchet.
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Im in the middle of re-building a DynaBrade 10763, another tool ( 8 inch mudhog ) that has seen VERY little use and was terribly expensive new and yet just stopped working. Good thing that the parts I believe I need are relatively cheap.
Ive got a Matco mudhog that was one of my first tools I purchased when I got into my trade nearly 30 years ago and has seen nearly daily use, has made me a tremendous amount of money over the years and had NEVER given me a lick of problems.
I dont consider Matco to be a very good tool but just goes to show that lesser expensive tools are sometimes the only way to go.
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I would dump some Marvel Mystery oil in them and let them soak for a bit and then put some air to them. I've had that same ratchet in the middle for 25 + years and it still has plenty of power.
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I would dump some Marvel Mystery oil in them and let them soak for a bit and then put some air to them. I've had that same ratchet in the middle for 25 + years and it still has plenty of power.
I may try that Ken, at the very least I have a better idea of whats what shortly.
Ive had this one as well a long time ( another Snap-on ) and I like it cause its lightweight, Im going to assume that a kit is no longer avail? ( far 70C ) Its head is worn, a real lack of power.
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I have been inside a few air tools, is nice when you can get kits. The thing that wears worst on an air ratchet are the teeth inside the ratchet head, once they are gone that is it. Then there are the 3 tiny pinion gears with needle bearings that transfer power from the air motor to the ratchet, once they seize up, it is usually over. So, oil it all up good, try some air, and if they work, run it slowly with the head immersed in a can of light oil, to get that ratchet head lubed up. One thing I won't take even for free are old Snap-on air impacts, seen enough fo them go back for repair when new. good luck
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Goodfellow on the GG uses warm Marvel Mystery oil, the heat helps loosen up the "crud" that can form causing the motor to stick. crud= moisture + oil + dirty / dust.
Many of my "old" air tools haven't been used in 30-50 years so I soak them for several months to a year or more (I forget them :rolleyes: )
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Powered up the newest snap-on and it runs constant. Too new and too little use to be a wear issue or crud build-up, must be something internally that has given way.
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Assume you Are using filtered & dry air? WD40 each use? When rusty water from condensation gets in will cause problems!
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Assume you Are using filtered & dry air? WD40 each use? When rusty water from condensation gets in will cause problems!
Always filtered and relatively dry, thanks, Ill have to figure it out on my own I guess. Asked the same question on an automobile forum and couldnt really get any specifics there either.
Mystery I guess. Talk with the snap-on dealer today and hopefully get some clues
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Powered up the newest snap-on and it runs constant.
The issue is that it will it stays running when pressured up? If not, what exactly is it doing that is out of normal?
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Powered up the newest snap-on and it runs constant. Too new and too little use to be a wear issue or crud build-up, must be something internally that has given way.
Could be just a piece of dirt or crud under a valve seat. Soak it, as suggested. Then exercise the valve full on to full off a few times. You might blow out something.
Chilly
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Powered up the newest snap-on and it runs constant.
The issue is that it will it stays running when pressured up? If not, what exactly is it doing that is out of normal?
Yes stays running as long as its connected to air. Talked with the snap-on dealer today and he mentioned what it prob. was, unfortunately from what I was told they no longer re-build them on the truck but instead have to send them out to have the work done.
I can remember the days of you handing him the tool and he did his thing while you waited. I guess the dealers are only competent enough to sling tools nowadays :(
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So many things could cause the problem, but sounds like internals are clogged, (veins, passageways, switch, etc.) recommend you take apart, clean, inspect, lube, reassemble, test it. remember how it came apart, keep parts in order.. (lay out on table, clean cloth, compartments, etc.) Sometimes just WD40 & air is enough to clear veins, passageways.. Good luck!!! use inline filter & oiler when using air tools, will last longer...
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So many things could cause the problem, but sounds like internals are clogged, (veins, passageways, switch, etc.) recommend you take apart, clean, inspect, lube, reassemble, test it. remember how it came apart, keep parts in order.. (lay out on table, clean cloth, compartments, etc.) Sometimes just WD40 & air is enough to clear veins, passageways.. Good luck!!! use inline filter & oiler when using air tools, will last longer...
Good advice. I would like to add, probably obvious, take pictures. They may save you when rebuilding, and of course we like to see the process.
Chilly
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I partially took the ratchet apart yesterday, thankfully I did not have to get into the big end, as it turned out there is a valve seat part # IM5100-22A 4.65 that was crumbled just outside of the trigger, sure enough it is the very same part # as what my PH2050 air hammer uses and that tool had less time on it than the air ratchet.
I ordered a few of these and some other things and I am pretty sure this will fix the problem within these two tools.
Will update when I have the parts installed.
Pictures are not easy for me cause I refuse to step into the 28th century. I just recently bought a flip phone with this new fangled camera but do not know how to use it.
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I said I would up-date and so here goes, the part that I mentioned in previous post was as mentioned ordered, I ordered 4 of them cause as mentioned it was the same part that I felt I needed for my air hammer.
Received the parts and installed the O-ring in the air hammer, worked like a charm, after all these years of sitting in my box un-used and seeing it now ready to use is pretty satisfying.
Also attempted to install same part in my FAR720 ratchet, O-ring would not fit down into the chamber properly, I attempted alot of different avenues but it simply would not go to the bottom of the sleeve where it needed to be, I in the end forced it as best as I could, re-assembled and the ratchet ran full blast continuous.
I re-contacted snap-on, they said there was a possibility that these rings were incorrect, I said I doubted it cause they carried the same part # as what was needed for hammer and they fixed that issue. They sent me 4 new ones anyway.
Attempted to install one this A.M, no way, it was just too large in diam. Difficult to see but got a light down the chamber and noticed a ridge, very slight but there, after feeling down inside with delicate instruments and taking some careful measurements with my inside Mics I was able to determine that the machining process inside of the tool was never completed.
I mounted a small DA within my vice and turned down the O-ring just enough to get over that ridge and drop down where it needed to be, Reassembled.
Tool once again works like new.
Once again I say Snap-on air tools are no better that any of my Ingersoll Rands.
I contacted Snap-on to let them know what I had found, they are very polite and seemingly anxious to do what is right, they suggested they would like to do something to compensate me for all my troubles, I suggested they warranty the 40 dollar trim piece on my tool box that had the clear anodized coating coming off as a gesture of good faith, they told me sorry but trim is not covered and Id have to just by the new part.
11,500 tool box and they wont warranty the trim.
At least my one air ratchet is fixed and I am happy to have it back again.
I am also happy to say that the Dynabrade mudhog is working again with a VERY cheap part replaced, I still cannot get over how smooth it runs in comparison to my Matco mudhog.
I have some other air ratchets that are going to need a re-build, heads are worn ect, I think I will farm these out, I do not think that I have the expertise or time to get into more complicated areas of these tools.
Thanks for all the tips.
Thanks for the suggestions.