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What's-It Forum => What's-It Forum => Topic started by: Plyerman on January 25, 2014, 05:41:15 PM

Title: Neat combination tool, but who made it?
Post by: Plyerman on January 25, 2014, 05:41:15 PM: Picked this one up awhile back. It was pretty rusty, but a little steel wool, a lot of elbow grease, and a dab of cold bluing made it look nice again. There is a logo on one side but I don't recognize it. TM, or maybe TIM, inside a diamond, inside an oval. Any ideas who the manufacturer is?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/nippertool_zps8477d2c6.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/TIMlogo_zps89e80dcb.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/TIMlogoback_zps55d60aa9.jpg)
Title: Re: Neat combination tool, but who made it?
Post by: RWalters on January 25, 2014, 09:35:04 PM: My first thought is that the markings on the back (non-emblem) side look Russian. I don't think it says 4UP, but rather those are three Russian letters. Google Russian alphabet and you will see there are three characters that match. Also, in the Russian (Cyrillic) alphabet there are characters that are the same as T and M. No character that looks like I, but from your picture, what's between the T and M may not be a letter, but part of the rest of the logo. Do you know anything about who had it before you got it? It certainly looks old and may have come over from the old country in someone's steamer trunk. Or not, Russia continued to use old technology and processes long after the rest of the world moved on, and the gear/toothed wheel logo has a kind of post-revolution industrial look to it. Just my thoughts, and I could be way off base here.
Title: Re: Neat combination tool, but who made it?
Post by: Billman49 on January 26, 2014, 05:28:57 AM: My thoughts as well...
Title: Re: Neat combination tool, but who made it?
Post by: HeelSpur on January 26, 2014, 05:40:34 AM: That's a very nice tool.
Title: Re: Neat combination tool, but who made it?
Post by: Papaw on January 26, 2014, 08:13:32 AM: You might get some help here- http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=kvnhlbnij6u0oeousiadocl2c0&board=31.0 (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=kvnhlbnij6u0oeousiadocl2c0&board=31.0)
Title: Re: Neat combination tool, but who made it?
Post by: Plyerman on January 26, 2014, 12:40:21 PM: Quote from: Papaw on January 26, 2014, 08:13:32 AM
You might get some help here- http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=kvnhlbnij6u0oeousiadocl2c0&board=31.0 (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=kvnhlbnij6u0oeousiadocl2c0&board=31.0)

Heh heh, thanks Papaw. I am the moderator of that board by the way. Mostly we talk about smaller pocket tools like Leatherman and Gerber, but there are a couple of Russian members. I like RWalters suggestion that this tool might have been made there. (Thanks RW!) I'll post some pictures and see if anybody can translate for me.
Title: Re: Neat combination tool, but who made it?
Post by: Papaw on January 26, 2014, 04:21:59 PM: I noticed it is mostly about Leatherman styles, but figured someone there might have some info.
Title: Re: Neat combination tool, but who made it?
Post by: skipskip on January 26, 2014, 07:56:42 PM: Quote from: Papaw on January 26, 2014, 08:13:32 AM
You might get some help here- http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=kvnhlbnij6u0oeousiadocl2c0&board=31.0 (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=kvnhlbnij6u0oeousiadocl2c0&board=31.0)

Crap!! another branch of the hobby to look for.

Cant you guys leave us alone? :)
Title: Re: Neat combination tool, but who made it?
Post by: rusty on January 26, 2014, 08:22:08 PM: >gear/toothed wheel logo has a kind of post-revolution industrial look to it.

Both Angola and Burma/Myanmar had cogwheels in their flags to represent workers/industry...

(Neither correlates well to the flag symbols, but I think it is the right track)
(Neither uses cryllic tho, but the 4 could just be a 4...)
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>Crap!! another branch of the hobby to look for.

There are some sites I never look at ;P
Title: Re: Neat combination tool, but who made it?
Post by: Plyerman on January 27, 2014, 10:33:35 AM: Somebody suggested to me that this tool looks like the chrome plated ones that show up from time to time. I've got a few of those too, usually stamped JAPAN or TAIWAN or INTERPUR. But they are pretty crudely made, while this Russian? one is built very well. Here is a line up:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/Bobbys%20II/NipperCombinations_zpseff3a05f.jpg)

They have all the same functions, but the quality is a lot different. Look at how poorly the nipper jaws line up on the Japan/Taiwan ones. (chromed, on the left) Then look at the jaw alignment on the Russian? one. Perfect. I'm positive these did not all come from the same factory.
Title: Re: Neat combination tool, but who made it?
Post by: john k on January 27, 2014, 10:49:49 AM: Interesting tool, the gear in the markings reminds me of the symbol of the German workers party. Wasn't there something like this in the early VW beetles?
Title: Re: Neat combination tool, but who made it?
Post by: Plyerman on January 27, 2014, 12:18:31 PM: SUCCESS!! Well, a bit of success anyhow. Looks like RWalters suggestion was correct. One of the Russian guys was able to translate the symbols on the side:

Quote from: wowaboro on January 27, 2014, 11:37:23 AM
Yes, it is russian tool or more correctly soviet tool.
I don't know what meant "T|M", but "ц4р" mean "цена 4 рубля" = "price 4 rubles" ;)
Title: Re: Neat combination tool, but who made it?
Post by: amecks on January 28, 2014, 01:32:55 PM: Neat tool. Today 4 rubles equals 12 cents!
Title: Re: Neat combination tool, but who made it?
Post by: Plyerman on January 28, 2014, 06:43:12 PM: Quote from: amecks on January 28, 2014, 01:32:55 PM
Neat tool. Today 4 rubles equals 12 cents!

Heck, at 12 cents I would have bought TWO of them!