Tool Talk
What's-It Forum => What's-It Forum => Topic started by: skipskip on October 23, 2014, 02:22:02 PM
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three different shapes
no names
any ideas?
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my guess would be for Babbitt bearing scrapers, some different shapes to get into the places the standard 3 can not.
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Carbon scrapers (think pre-WWI auto & boat engines) are a possibility -- but the ads for those implied something a bit more flexible in the shaft.
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Somehow just don't seem like they would work as bearing scrapers.
May even be custom made for some specific cleaning operation that is undefinable at this point.
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Those look much lighter construction than the Babbitt bearing scrapers I remember. On the other hand, I have a wider scraper looking tool that looks like it could make a fourth one of these. I've thought it was a carbon scraper,
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They look a bit like saddler's tools - used for stuffing saddles and harness collars... but they usually have serrated ends to catch the stuffing when pushing it into place...
see: http://www.abbeyengland.com/Store/tabid/77/CategoryID/202/Category2ID/51/Level/2/ProductID/69080/language/en-GB/Default.aspx
(http://www.abbeyengland.com/Portals/0/Users/IMG_0215%20hrc.jpg)
see also: http://www.hlcollege.ac.uk/PDF/CraftPublications/Crafts/Making%20a%20saddle%201_tcm2-18972.pdf
Fig 4 Stuffing stick, Fig 5 Belly stuffer
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I always thought carbon scrapers were beefier an wider, any truth to that or am I immiganing things?
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I think billman is on the right track.
Chilly
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I think billman is on the right track.
Chilly
Looks like it. They would also be useful in doing reed chair seats. These need to be stuffed as well.
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I think they are carbon scrapers. They are very similar to the Mound Tool Co. cylinder carbon scrapers listed in the 1956 catalog. Are there any markings on the shaft?
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Turnnut sent me this. Found in Floyd Clymer's " Scrapbook of Early Auto Supplies & Equipment... Vol 1"
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sure looks like them
interesting book
I think I'll get it from the library
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At one time, the quality of the gasoline was such that the factory recommendation was to pull the heads and de-coke/decarbonize/scrape the heads and cylinders every 1,000 miles. Think about that - for many of us nowadays, that would mean a monthly ritual, taking up maybe half of a Saturday morning, although at the time, 1,000 miles was quite a distance between maintenance cycles (and, for most, quite a period of time, as well). You would want as much help as you could get, including whatever specialized tools you could find, that would shorten the time spent on the work.
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Bill. That's interesting info,Thanks for that.This is new to me, I have never heard of it before. Do you know what approximate dates that they would have recommended this and Do you know if it was an industry wide thing or just from maybe one or two manufacturers?
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Into the Sixties we often "Decoked" heads and cylinders on small engines. Back in my bike shop days I spent a lot of time scraping on small bike engines. Can you imagine how caked up the exhaust ports got on small two-stroke engines?
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Well done - I did think that if they were scrapers they'd be good for de-coking heads & exhaust manifolds etc - I remember having the head of my old side valve (1950's) UK made Ford fairly regularly and using wire brushes on my dad's old B&D drill for the same job..
It goes to show just how similar shaped tools can be for widely varying jobs....
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Look like older versions of tools I have used on a Wood Lathe, the shaft would rest on the Support and the Tip cut patterns in the wood
Larry
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Into the Sixties we often "Decoked" heads and cylinders on small engines. Back in my bike shop days I spent a lot of time scraping on small bike engines. Can you imagine how caked up the exhaust ports got on small two-stroke engines?
I've had the exhaust plug up so bad from carbon on 2 cycle engines the engine wouldn't run .
Rochester products came out with a product called X66 , you ran it through the intake system to dissolve the carbon. Lead deposits were part of the problem , along with poor burning fuel. When unleaded gas came out , decarbonizing was another lost auto service , along with valve grinds.
Those are a nice set of scrapers , I wouldn't have guessed there use , but I can see how they would be useful.
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found another picture like the one in Clymer's book.
a page on ebay from 1914 Cray Brothers, Cleveland, Ohio. they sold tools from many companies.
ad reads;
Cylinder Carbon Scrapers
intended for removing soot from top of piston without removing the cylinder head, hand forged
from 1/4 inch tool steel. plain nickle finish with applewood handles.
each set packed in a neat wood box.
price; set of 3 scrapers $0.50
price for 6 sets of 3 scrapers $2.70
NOTE; very hard to read, but looks like "Mound Tool & S. Co. St. Louis U.S.A.
I just googled Mound Tool & S. Co. and it comes up with Mound Tool & Scraper Co.
1606-1608 N. Broadway, St. Louis, Mo. in business since 1899
today they are; Mound Tool Co. 9301 Watson Industrial Park, St. Louis, MO
Making meat processing and packing tools, yup, tools like knifes, hooks, scrapers, etc.