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Title: Scrapers? but for what?
Post by: skipskip on October 23, 2014, 02:22:02 PM
three different shapes

no names

any ideas?


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Title: Re: Scrapers? but for what?
Post by: oldgoaly on October 23, 2014, 02:37:21 PM
my guess would be for Babbitt bearing scrapers,  some different shapes to get into the places the standard 3 can not.
Title: Re: Scrapers? but for what?
Post by: mvwcnews on October 23, 2014, 07:26:50 PM
Carbon scrapers (think pre-WWI auto & boat engines) are a possibility -- but the ads for those implied something a bit more flexible in the shaft.
Title: Re: Scrapers? but for what?
Post by: leg17 on October 23, 2014, 07:53:54 PM
Somehow just don't seem like they would work as bearing scrapers.
May even be custom made for some specific cleaning operation that is undefinable at this point.
Title: Re: Scrapers? but for what?
Post by: Branson on October 24, 2014, 06:45:14 AM
Those look much lighter construction than the Babbitt bearing scrapers I remember.  On the other hand, I have a wider scraper looking tool that looks like it could make a fourth one of these.  I've thought it was a carbon scraper,
Title: Re: Scrapers? but for what?
Post by: Billman49 on October 24, 2014, 07:33:03 AM
They look a bit like saddler's tools - used for stuffing saddles and harness collars... but they usually have serrated ends to catch the stuffing when pushing it into place...

see: http://www.abbeyengland.com/Store/tabid/77/CategoryID/202/Category2ID/51/Level/2/ProductID/69080/language/en-GB/Default.aspx

(http://www.abbeyengland.com/Portals/0/Users/IMG_0215%20hrc.jpg)

see also: http://www.hlcollege.ac.uk/PDF/CraftPublications/Crafts/Making%20a%20saddle%201_tcm2-18972.pdf

Fig 4 Stuffing stick, Fig 5 Belly stuffer

Title: Re: Scrapers? but for what?
Post by: Nolatoolguy on October 25, 2014, 09:27:28 PM
I always thought carbon scrapers were beefier an wider, any truth to that or am I immiganing things?
Title: Re: Scrapers? but for what?
Post by: Chillylulu on November 03, 2014, 11:42:47 PM
I think billman is on the right track.

Chilly
Title: Re: Scrapers? but for what?
Post by: Branson on November 04, 2014, 06:46:20 AM
I think billman is on the right track.
Chilly

Looks like it.  They would also be useful in doing reed chair seats.  These need to be stuffed as well.
Title: Re: Scrapers? but for what?
Post by: wvtools on November 04, 2014, 09:38:25 AM
I think they are carbon scrapers.  They are very similar to the Mound Tool Co. cylinder carbon scrapers listed in the 1956 catalog.  Are there any markings on the shaft?
Title: Re: Scrapers? but for what?
Post by: Papaw on November 06, 2014, 07:00:46 PM
Turnnut sent me this. Found in Floyd Clymer's " Scrapbook of Early Auto Supplies & Equipment... Vol 1"

 
Title: Re: Scrapers? but for what?
Post by: skipskip on November 06, 2014, 07:52:30 PM
sure looks  like them


interesting book

I think I'll get it from the library
Title: Re: Scrapers? but for what?
Post by: Bill Houghton on November 06, 2014, 08:14:46 PM
At one time, the quality of the gasoline was such that the factory recommendation was to pull the heads and de-coke/decarbonize/scrape the heads and cylinders every 1,000 miles.  Think about that - for many of us nowadays, that would mean a monthly ritual, taking up maybe half of a Saturday morning, although at the time, 1,000 miles was quite a distance between maintenance cycles (and, for most, quite a period of time, as well).  You would want as much help as you could get, including whatever specialized tools you could find, that would shorten the time spent on the work.
Title: Re: Scrapers? but for what?
Post by: gibsontool on November 06, 2014, 09:42:33 PM
Bill. That's interesting info,Thanks for that.This is new to me, I have never heard of it before. Do you know what approximate dates that they would have recommended this and Do you know if it was an industry wide thing or just from maybe one or two manufacturers? 
Title: Re: Scrapers? but for what?
Post by: Papaw on November 06, 2014, 10:19:40 PM
Into the Sixties we often "Decoked" heads and cylinders on small engines. Back in my bike shop days I spent a lot of time scraping on small bike engines. Can you imagine how caked up the exhaust ports got on small two-stroke engines?
Title: Re: Scrapers? but for what?
Post by: Billman49 on November 07, 2014, 11:33:13 AM
Well done - I did think that if they were scrapers they'd be good for de-coking heads & exhaust manifolds etc - I remember having the head of my old side valve (1950's) UK made Ford fairly regularly and using wire brushes on my dad's old B&D drill for the same job..

It goes to show just how similar shaped tools can be for widely varying jobs....
Title: Re: Scrapers? but for what?
Post by: lmpeter@aol.com on November 18, 2014, 06:06:56 AM
Look like older versions of tools I have used on a Wood Lathe, the shaft would rest on the Support and the Tip cut patterns in the wood
Larry
Title: Re: Scrapers? but for what?
Post by: Lostmind on November 18, 2014, 07:55:46 AM
Into the Sixties we often "Decoked" heads and cylinders on small engines. Back in my bike shop days I spent a lot of time scraping on small bike engines. Can you imagine how caked up the exhaust ports got on small two-stroke engines?

I've had the exhaust plug up so bad from carbon on 2 cycle engines the engine wouldn't run .
Rochester products came out with a product called X66 , you ran it through the intake system to dissolve the carbon. Lead deposits were part of the problem , along with poor burning fuel.  When unleaded gas came out , decarbonizing was another lost auto service , along with valve grinds.
Those are a nice set of scrapers , I wouldn't have guessed there use , but I can see how they would be useful.
Title: Re: Scrapers? but for what?
Post by: turnnut on November 20, 2014, 01:20:56 PM
found another picture like the one in Clymer's book.
a page on ebay from 1914 Cray Brothers, Cleveland, Ohio.  they sold tools from many companies.
ad reads;
Cylinder Carbon Scrapers
intended for removing soot from top of piston without removing the cylinder head, hand forged
from 1/4 inch tool steel.  plain nickle finish with applewood handles.
each set packed in a neat wood box.
price; set of 3 scrapers $0.50
price for 6 sets of 3 scrapers $2.70

NOTE; very hard to read, but looks like "Mound Tool & S. Co. St. Louis  U.S.A.
I just googled Mound Tool & S. Co.  and it comes up with Mound Tool & Scraper Co.
1606-1608 N. Broadway,   St. Louis, Mo.   in business since 1899

today they are;  Mound Tool Co. 9301 Watson Industrial Park, St. Louis, MO
Making meat processing and packing tools,  yup, tools like knifes, hooks, scrapers, etc.