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Wrench Forum => Wrench Forum => Topic started by: Nasutushenri on September 07, 2020, 07:37:31 AM
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Recently I bought a Craftsman 12 " adjustable wrench in a local charity shop. Paid € 3.40.
Very rusty and completely stuck. But the brand name Craftsman is rarely seen here.
After taken apart, cleaning and oiling, it's OK again.
The wrench is exactly the same as the one on the AA site; yearcode 1941.
Probably not rare in the US, but it is here.
Regards
Henri
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Glad you could get it unstuck and cleaned up. You saved it from the skip.
Unstuck, cleaned up, and saved from the trash heap--
We all need that treatment now and again.
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Nice find, and good job bringing it back to life!!!
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I wonder how it found its way over there?
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I wonder how it found its way over there?
Perhaps it was used in the American army or it came with the Marshall Plan. Who knows.
The chrome plating has almost disappeared, but everything, even the jaws, is undamaged.
It is top quality. Only the spring on the shaft of the knurl was missing. Set up a new one.
Regards
Henri
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I wonder how it found its way over there?
WWII?
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Nice find.
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I wonder how it found its way over there?
WWII?
After WWII.
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Sears was being supplied by Danielson at that time although the Craftsman branded adjustable jaws were a different shape than Danielson’s. The Dunlap adjustables were a close match to the Danielsons.
-Don
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The wartime tools I have seen are plain steel, no finish. How thick are the jaws? You did a good job.
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John, the jaws of my Craftsman wrench are 7/16" thick at the top.
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Henri’s 1941 wrench is marked Vanadium which is normal up until the WW2 metal restrictions started in 1942. The use of Vanadium and Chrome plating would have ended then. The 1942 Craftsman catalog shows Chrome plating on the Craftsman adjustable but catalog images are notoriously unreliable and it is unknown exactly when the catalog was printed. Wartime Danielson wrenches from 1943 on are not marked Vanadium or Chrome plated.
-Don
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I'm always entertained by the box wrench in the hanging hole at the end of the handle - unavoidably (based on the wrench length and resulting handle dimensions) some random size. Extra expense to broach and temper it, and it's hard for me to imagine those wrench ends ever got much use.
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After the transition of Plomb to Proto, the former Danielson factory now owned by Plomb determined that the broached hanging holes were history. I think Diamond’s broached holes ended with the end of WW2 or shortly thereafter.
-Don
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Thanks for the explanation about my Craftsman adjustable wrench.
Meanwhile I have noticed that the American adjustable wrenches
have right-handed threaded screws, unlike European ones. Is that correct ?
Regards
Henri
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Henri, I have noticed that is true at least for BAHCO.
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Papaw, actually it was not quite true what I wrote: BAHCO did make series
with right-handed threaded screws, until the eighties, I believe.
Why, I don't know, maybe for export.
From other European brands I have only seen left-handed screws.
Do have all adjustable wrenches in the US right-handed screws?
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Somewhere out in my shop I have an adjustable with left hand threads. I have no idea what brand it is or were it is. If I see it in the next while I'll post a pic.
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Somewhere out in my shop I have an adjustable with left hand threads. I have no idea what brand it is or were it is. If I see it in the next while I'll post a pic.
I'm curious.
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OK. I was curious too, so I spent some time this afternoon going thru my adjustable wrenches. Out of 189 that I checked I found 3 that have left handed thread. First one is an 8" BAHCO, the second is an 8" CARLL and the 3 rd is an 8" UNIVERSAL. I know I have more packed away but the 189 is probably about 80 to 90 % of what I have. The BACHO is one most of us, I assume, are familiar with. The second one the CARLL was Patented on May 6 1913 Patent number 1060891 and was made some where in New York. The third was created by a guy in Vancouver British Columbia Canada and was patented in Canada with pat number 197760 and also a USA patent number 1305628. Two dates show up for the USA patent June 3 1919 and July22 1919. I took some pictures but I'm having trouble posting them. I'm blaming the camera but I think it's more me than the camera. I'll see if I can get some help with the pics. Jim.
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Now that's curiosity!! Well done, Jim!!!
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Gibsontool, thanks for the effort, great job! Nice collection of adjustable wrenches.
I am very curious about the type number of the BAHCO.
Regards
Henri
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Did a little more looking today and found a tool box with 18 more adjustables in it. Of the 18 3 are left hand thread, first was another 8" CARLL, same markings as the other one. The second is a 10" IREGA number 77 made in Spain and the third is another BAHCO, this guy is 10"long. Also found another 10" BAHCO with right hand threads. Still trying to sort out the pics so I'll describe the BAHCOS.
The first BAHCO that I posted about yesterday is the 8" and is marked 0167 made in Sweden and has 224 at the tail end ( by the hang hole ), the other left hand one is a 10" marked No 72 and has 2 stars and the number 35 by the hang hole, the other 10" BAHCO ( the right handed one ) is marked 972 AB BAHCO Stockholm and has 113 by the hank hole. The IREGA is marked number 77 Spain. Jim.
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Jim, thanks for the search. As for the BAHCO's:
The 10" No.972 (right handed) was made between 1954 and 1968.
The number by the hanging hole is a casting number.
The 10" No. 72 is left handed, the production of this type ended in 1969.
The stars and the number by the hanging hole are casting signs.
The third 8" No. 0167 is probably a bit of a mistake.
There is a No. 0671 that is left handed, made between 1969 and 1983.
I have seen the Spanish IREGA's, but are not popular here.
Seems to be good quality.
Most adjustable wrenches seen here are Swedish or German ones.
Henri
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As far as I can tell all of my adjustable wrenches have right hand thread adjusters even including my Gedore/Jaguar and Carll wrenches. The first picture is of 4” wrenches,
-Don
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Henri. You are correct, it is a 0671 and thanks for putting dates to those wrenches.
Don, What length is that Carll you have? Nice bunch of little 4" wrenches
I recently got a new computor and I'm still trying to sort out how to post the pictures. Jim.
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Jim,
It’s a 6” Carll. I had to find the patent info because I had never heard of Carll before I found it at an estate sale.
-Don
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As far as I can tell all of my adjustable wrenches have right hand thread adjusters even including my Gedore/Jaguar and Carll wrenches. The first picture is of 4” wrenches,
-Don
Don, very nice collection of 4" adjustable wrenches. I only have three because they are very rare here. Even the BAHCO.
All my larger American adjustable wenches - I only have six - have right-hand adjusters.
The German GEDORE/JAGUAR wrench is specially made for American use.
Henri
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Ok. I am the carpenter who does not know what you guys are referring to as far as right hand/left hand threads.Please explain!! Thanks, Lou
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Ok. I am the carpenter who does not know what you guys are referring to as far as right hand/left hand threads.Please explain!! Thanks, Lou
Grab a Crescent or other US made adjustable and your hand knows which way to turn the knurl to open or close the wrench. Some European adjustables are opposite.
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Thanks!! I do have a couple here from Spain & Germany, time to look for a lefty!!
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Ok. I am the carpenter who does not know what you guys are referring to as far as right hand/left hand threads.Please explain!! Thanks, Lou
Top: Right-handed screw (American)
Bottom: Left-handed screw (European, subject to exceptions)
Henri
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At least one European toolmaker offers the choice of L or R to satisfy the ambidextrous.
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At least one European toolmaker offers the choice of L or R to satisfy the ambidextrous.
Humber2, I have a 1981 catalog of GEDORE in which this is the case.
Don't know what that is like now.
Henri
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At least one European toolmaker offers the choice of L or R to satisfy the ambidextrous.
Humber2, I have a 1981 catalog of GEDORE in which this is the case.
Don't know what that is like now.
Henri
Thanks for that confirmation Henri, I've found both in the '77 Dowidat catalog.
Elora reference their one option as being Swedish pattern
Hazel reference their one option to DIN3117
Back to Dowidat who reference three options,
No 73 is Swedish pattern left hand knurl with opening angle 15* Sizes 4,6,8,10,12" in Chrome Vanadium, 15,18,26 Carbon Alloy Steel
Next Both 88 and 91 are "Single head wrench adjustable confirms to DIN 3117 form B
No 88 is American pattern, right hand knurl with opening angle 25*, Chrome Vanadium drop forged. Sizes 4,6,8,10,12"
No 91 is also American pattern, left hand knurl with opening angle 22.5*, Carbon Alloy Steel. Sizes 15,18"
Little wonder one would find frustration using mixed makes and options.
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Humber2, thanks for the detailed information.
The 1981 GEDORE catalog mentions the following:
Model 62, adjustable wrench, left hand knurl, DIN 3117, Form A, jaw position 15°; , special steel DIN 17.200 W.- No. 1.0501.
Sizes 6, 8, 10, 12, 15, 18, 26". (26" jaw position 45°).
Model 91, adjustable wrench, right hand knurl, DIN 3117, Form B, American pattern, jaw position 22°, special steel DIN 17.200 W.- No. 1.0501.
Sizes 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 15, 18".
Model 88, adjustable wrench, right hand knurl, DIN 3117, Form B, American pattern, extra slim form, jaw position 22°,
GEDORE-VANADIUM 31 CrV 3 W. No. 1.2208.
Sizes 6, 8, 10, 12".
The question remains for me: why should the American wrenches have right hand knurls and European left hand ones.
Regards
Henri
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yea,why cant they all be the same...maybe no logical explanation :undecided: