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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: wrenchguy on September 27, 2020, 05:39:40 PM
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Picked at a auction yesterday.
Wood screw carousel? I need internet search help with it. Please PM me if your a good searcher.
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Photo update of Westphal countertop carousel.
I think its for wood screws. Smallest bin marked "3/8 3", largest bin marked 3 18.
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This is unreal to me! It has this small label stuck to a bottom bin divider, "Patterson General Hardware" sold out in 1895 according to Google book "Farm Implement News" Jan. 1895 page 50.
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Its in worst shape than first thought, the fact of PO's moving this contraption without taking it a part is the reason for the damage and missing parts at the bottom. Its extremely fragile and assembled as a "house of cards" in reverse. Loosening 1 tensioning bolt and that level of bins literally falls apart.
HELP!
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Wow, that is a killer piece. Sure hope you can restore it. Never seen one before.
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That is nice! no idea what one would bring around here, some stuff goes for pennies then stuff that should be scrapped goes for 1000's.
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Absolutely incredible find!!! I'm guessing the drawer fronts are cast?? Are the drawer boxes wood or metal??
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Absolutely a great find worthy of restoration!
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I think this is it!!
Patent Number 154307.
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found one on Pinterest
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/255227503868684062/
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Amazing find, that's an awesome piece.
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That is nice! no idea what one would bring around here, some stuff goes for pennies then stuff that should be scrapped goes for 1000's.
Very true!
Absolutely incredible find!!! I'm guessing the drawer fronts are cast?? Are the drawer boxes wood or metal??
Bin fronts are cast, its not pullout drawers. One would rotate bins around to have enough opening above the target bin to reach in and grab items. Bin sides are cast and fastened to the core. Bin bottom is thin loose laid tin holding exact bin width dimension.
Absolutely a great find worthy of restoration!
Thanks, but gonna need help from someone thats done 1. Very complicated house of cards. Maybe 100's of parts with precise/exact dimensions
I think this is it!!
Patent Number 154307.
Seems tobe a couple patents to the carousel, i believe this 1 is of 1882 design. This was at auction 10 miles from Akron Indiana.
found one on Pinterest
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/255227503868684062/
Google found me 2 different images of it, 1 restored and 1 original.
I'm gonna post a video of it tomorrow showing construction and operation best i can..
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Hats off to you! I would have had to pass unless they were giving it away. I look forward to seeing future progress.
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Video link, imbed doesn't seem to work. Thanks 4 looking.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/OcaI1AZrI_g
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Gorgeous. Most screw storage (and mine) is plastic. That one is cast iron and glass. Fixed up, I'm sure it would be even better. But being cast iron--it has to weigh close to a ton!
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What a construction ! Are you going to attempt to restore it ?
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Before starting to restore it decide exactly where you want it positioned before starting reassembling......
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What a construction ! Are you going to attempt to restore it ?
Construction? More like major RUBE-NESS. Haven't decided yet, if so gonna be some major patience is required.
Before starting to restore it decide exactly where you want it positioned before starting reassembling......
I'm not falling for not making it mobile, I'm gonna fasten a platform under it with handles for 2 guys before restoring it. I can't emphasize how lame this thing is not being designed for moving it when it had tobe relocated. I broke 3 bottom course bin sides just getting it loaded in the truck with 3 guys.
Here's another video of stuff i missed about it in the previous vid. Before going to my foundry guy anyone know of any parts for it??? lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Iy_0zcGn1c
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The Detail of Retail!!
I'm starting the refurb of the above carousel.
**Most recent video of it giving up some secrets. Never any ads in my videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D9JBRBGYWw&t
**Its tapered spine.
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If you can't weld the old cast with your tig, try oxy/acetylene with some Peterson's cast iron welding flux. I'm getting ready to do some old cast repairs, that is how I do most of mine. Normally fall has lots of rainy days, but it's bone dry for months and we have lots of outdoor projects like firewood and brush removal.
What part of the world are you in? I'm near St. Louis in Illinois, you could come for a visit and welding fun!
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Hello, wrenchguy. Thanks for sharing the video!! That is a fascinating piece, cosmetically, and mechanically!!!
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Ur welcome, its gonna be a neat winter project. I'm missing 3 bin fronts, being reproduced this week.
Heres a pic of what appears to be a nice looking original 1 i found online. It appears to have string ball basket lid damage but still nice from what is seen. Most seen online are missing bottom level of bin fronts.
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I didn't see it mentioned, but may have missed it. How much does this monster weigh?
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Empty i guess around 100lbs. Online there's mention of 200lbs whatever that could mean. Its 40" tall and 22" at its widest point.
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Waiting for a "done" call from the foundry I did some repairs.
Parts i'm having reproduced.
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Test tig weld on a intentionally broke piece, worked very well.
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2 bottom level bin divider repairs done, 1 to go. FYI, i'm using stainless filler wire. Gotta save that sticker!
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Bottom level bin frame repair, Had the pieces, but 2 bottom bin frames were missing and being reproduced now.
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Gonna need some 3d numbers, help!
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These are level 6 bin frames, lower portion of this frame broke and missing. Gotta save this frame for its numerals. This is gonna be my toughest repair. The reproduced frames are gonna have the wrong numbers on them.
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How is the color match? (in person)
Do the pc get painted?
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All pieces will be painted, none of the welds will show in the bins.
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Looking good!! Great job on the welds!!
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Made a lazysusan for working on, displaying and moving the cabinet. Foundry had a few bad pours with the bin fronts i need. Problem is the frames are real thin, less the 1/8" thick.
Yesterday working on lazysusan video. https://www.youtube.com/embed/H284MwYVE1Y
Finished today. https://www.youtube.com/embed/SLZxy9OoXK4
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All the bin sides taken to bare metal, washed down and painted.
I believe this cabinet was manufactured by Joliet Manufacturing Co. Andrew Dillman owned and operated the huge foundry was a (co-assigner?) on the i882 patent. His company was huge throughout the midwest hardware and farm implement business.
WA Patterson built Akron Indiana's 1st bank in 1891 with the hardware store in the back room. This building was included in a 3 building fire in late 1894 and the hardware business was sold to Miller-Zartman hardware concern according to "Successful Farming" publication Jan3 1895.
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Skill at the foundry last nite with great results.
Short 40 second vid of actual pouring parts i need. Other pouring vids on my channel.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/jZoV-TsfTpc
Last nite pic.
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Parts this morning with frames cut out of "return" (scrap).
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Cool that they are still using a coke fired cupola. I started building a one, but realized it is too much work for 1 guy to keep going and still make molds, refresh sand. break down molds. And anything less than a truckload of coke is costly per pound.. Great pics! now to watch the video!
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Thanks for sharing!! Looks like the pour went well!!
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May overload some with this update.
Part1
Repair made on this binfront. I wanted to save this front if i could. work real good.
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better pic of textured repair.
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Part2
All levels assembled, but missing some glass. In the vid i misspoke about cleaning up parting seams at 25% of all the fronts. Should be about 10% of the fronts needed seam clean up. IMO.
I need to oil my swivel chair!
Latest progress video. https://www.youtube.com/embed/Ere52KHKjlg
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Part3
Working on topper.
Repaired stringball cage standard replacing loose leaf that somehow remained with the cabinet and lucky enough to find. The other 3 standards didn't have that lowest decoration. Only the left and right standard of the center patent badge had the leaf.
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The topper tray was tinplate, I may go with something different.
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Came across a 3rd design cabinet that i think manufactured by Joliet manufacturing. Why need glass windows and fancy cast window frames when the bin is marked with the size? Prolly not Victorian.
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Hello, wrenchguy. Absolutely amazing progress on the restoration!!! Your repair/fabrication skills are second to none, and your attention to the small details are greatly appreciated!!Thanks for sharing, Lou
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nice, ,no overload.....thanks
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Wow great progress!
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thanks 4 the comments, it is a neat project.
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your probably the only one to ever restore one....whats the plan for it?
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Hopefully get it to some tool & engine shows.
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New better fitting topper tray made along with topper assembled.
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Assembled.
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Short assembled video. It has 122 bins, not 113 like i mentioned in vid.
https://youtu.be/ByYXcmad2BA
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Looking good!!!
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Nice! :smiley:
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Amazing!
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Stunning!! Great video, too!!
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Well done wrenchguy. That's a thing of beauty there.
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Awesome job, very well done.
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Thanx 4 comments guys! 4me the hardest part is yet to come, the small knobs on 122 bins with about 3 numbers each bin face has 2be painted/highlighted by 'ol shaky yet! Still a neat project though.
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Look for paint pens, I used them to highlight a cast iron piece that I painted. They work a lot better than trying to paint highlights with a brush.
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Look for paint pens, I used them to highlight a cast iron piece that I painted. They work a lot better than trying to paint highlights with a brush.
Thanks, found a good 1 in 18karat gold.
update,
Topper highlighted in gold, not really 'ol shakys forte, good enuff.
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WOW! came out nice.
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thanx, only 122 bin fronts and 135 knobs to go.
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Great work!! Thanks for sharing!!
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WOW! came out nice.
Great work!! Thanks for sharing!!
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wrenchguy
I've got to hand it to you. When your done with that thing it'll be a piece of art.
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As always, thanx4comments!
I wonder if someone here can help me with google book "illustrated ads" i found of the westphal screw cabinet along with a westphal bolt cabinet. pm me for the 2 links.
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Some google book results i been able to find. Thanx4 the help.
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1889? The Iron Age, pg.67. First 7 pages missing, issue not known to me.
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Hibbard, Spencer and Bartlett & Co.
General Catalog, Issue 4, September 1891. Page 439 of 1432 pages.
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I believe this is the 3rd screw case patent for the last case i've found.
DEC. 1891, https://patents.google.com/patent/US465621 (https://patents.google.com/patent/US465621)
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Wow, never seen such elobrate display. great job.
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I'm late getting here, but I've really enjoyed the restoration process. Very impressive work WG!
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Done, slightly better than new.
Video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbCJfJc8ecs&t
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Amazing!! Thanks for sharing!!
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Very nice!!! well done!!!
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work of art...stay off the bulldozer, :grin:
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Awesome job, very well done.
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Thanks, killdozer got sold last thanksgiving, thanks 4 remembering.