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Title: Wood williams wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on March 08, 2019, 10:55:00 AM: what date range is this? isn't there something about the markings that date it?
(https://i.postimg.cc/y8dNf953/s-l1600.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0bTxj699)
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: geneg on March 08, 2019, 01:46:16 PM: Looks like 1923 or so. E-bay ad
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on March 09, 2019, 07:31:02 AM: Its the model "L" Silent Salesman wrench display board. Ad indicates 5 sizes of various design, 6 assortments of wrenches. I know of 2 other size "wrench" display boards, anyone know of any more than a total of 3?

(https://i.postimg.cc/gJNwffXK/42-C2-CC45-8-D07-49-B6-A207-D65520-BF801-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jwndf3hW)
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: coolford on March 09, 2019, 02:27:28 PM: What we would like to see is that board with all the proper wrenches on it. :grin:
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on March 09, 2019, 06:06:33 PM: its my goal. if its the "superior" doe's i got around a 1/3 of em. i gotta get it and see which set/style its pegged for.
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: leg17 on March 15, 2019, 01:13:51 PM: When you determine exactly what style you are looking for, let us know, (with pictures).
Might be able to chip in some help.
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: mikeswrenches on March 15, 2019, 03:14:38 PM: The W-Diamond logo was first used in 1884. The trademark was issued in 1915. According to AA.

Mike
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on March 15, 2019, 07:03:27 PM: I'm trying to sort it out, i got the board and had the ad for it listing what wrenches were on it. If you look at the ad with the guy picking 1 out .... there 6 wrenches deep for each profile seen. When a jobber bought that board display it included 246 wrenches and weighed 174 lbs. thanks 4 the offer of help.

edit, i made a mistake here, the retail kit of the board included 6 of each size wrench. only 1was displayed on the board.
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: leg17 on March 15, 2019, 08:30:39 PM: Williams logo changed a few times over the early years.
What era are you looking for?
AA has some info regarding the various logos.
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on March 15, 2019, 09:32:02 PM: doe wrenches with this logo. international 3414 will be also.
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: amecks on March 17, 2019, 01:09:39 PM: I grabbed these out of the spare wrench box but I see you just want DOE wrenches. The DOE is 7/8" x 1" , stamped 733, embossed with a "T". and has the logo you're looking for.
Al
(https://i.postimg.cc/1tsttcqR/IMG_8187_01.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on March 17, 2019, 03:24:31 PM: thanks, but i gotta sort out what i got. outa respect of ur time, please let me get a "wanted" list up.....i'm working onit. DOES ANYONE HAVE 1 OF THESE BOARDS AND WILL SHARE WHAT THE PEGS LOOK LIKE? I didn't get any with it. thanks again.
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: international3414 on March 17, 2019, 04:44:12 PM: maybe ?,this board has 3 different diameter pegs...long enough to stack 3 wrenches
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on March 19, 2019, 07:47:31 AM: Quote from: international3414 on March 17, 2019, 04:44:12 PM
maybe ?,this board has 3 different diameter pegs...long enough to stack 3 wrenches

my board seems 2 have the same diameter lags for all holes. whats ur smallest diameter.

in my research so far i found my 90" board kit could be purchased in at least 2 different part numbers with different wrenches being displayed. this is a conundrum!
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: leg17 on March 19, 2019, 12:35:08 PM: Are there empty peg holes?
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on March 19, 2019, 02:37:13 PM: Quote from: leg17 on March 19, 2019, 12:35:08 PM
Are there empty peg holes?

Yes, my board didn't have any pegs/lags with it. The holes are lag threaded from past use so i know it had lag L's or some type lag hook. All the wrenches were held by 2 of these at the head. I've figured out which board i have in relation to the wrench display layout BUT not a firm year yet. As u know the year will help me determine the logo head stamping. I'm gonna be posting moreabout this later with illustrations of 2 90" boards BUT with different wrenches on it.
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: international3414 on March 19, 2019, 03:15:02 PM: looks like 4 different sizes,only one is 1/8"diameter (for the 75A wrench),thaats the smallest..............A,B, AND C might be the hardest to find????????????
got some wrenches coming in the mail
when i get some tools hanging,ill post a photo
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: international3414 on March 19, 2019, 03:46:30 PM: is yours for 42,style # L...saw an ebay sold item 152392223976
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on March 19, 2019, 05:20:18 PM: Update,
I've determined that the board i bought displays wrenches in this way. The only illustrations i found for this 90" board date 1918,1921 and 1923.
Does anyone have this illustration 1924 or later showing the the "Underline Scroll" logo? Double clik to enlarge.
(https://i.postimg.cc/gJNwffXK/42-C2-CC45-8-D07-49-B6-A207-D65520-BF801-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jwndf3hW)

This is a ad from 1927 showing a 90" board , but a different wrench display layout. These wrenches will have the NEAT post 1924 "Underline Scroll" logo. Note underline logo in the ad!
(https://i.postimg.cc/v8NRKVGN/DSC02451.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9zZNRzRd)

Both ads are touting the Superior line. thanks 4 any help.
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: leg17 on March 19, 2019, 06:54:39 PM: I acquired a later model Williams wrench board with holes but no hooks.
I found a National brand "Square Bend" hook that screwed in perfectly.
Found at Menards.
You might pick up a couple of different sizes and try them in the holes.

(On the road and cannot post pictures)
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on March 19, 2019, 10:17:39 PM: Quote from: leg17 on March 19, 2019, 06:54:39 PM
I acquired a later model Williams wrench board with holes but no hooks.
I found a National brand "Square Bend" hook that screwed in perfectly.
Found at Menards.
You might pick up a couple of different sizes and try them in the holes.

(On the road and cannot post pictures)

plated?
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: leg17 on March 20, 2019, 05:59:24 AM: Quote from: wrenchguy on March 19, 2019, 10:17:39 PM
Quote from: leg17 on March 19, 2019, 06:54:39 PM
I acquired a later model Williams wrench board with holes but no hooks.
I found a National brand "Square Bend" hook that screwed in perfectly.
Found at Menards.
You might pick up a couple of different sizes and try them in the holes.

(On the road and cannot post pictures)

plated?

Yes. You could check National web site or Menards for options.
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on March 20, 2019, 05:55:47 PM: Wrenches needed for the "BOARD".

21.

626S, 632X.

661D, 661E, 662D, 663E, 663A, 664B.

77B, 77S.

90D, 96.

Above wrenches needed with any of the logo's williams used. please post photos.
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: amecks on March 20, 2019, 08:26:44 PM: The 733 is in picture I posted earlier. I can take better pictures if you want. If you like it, I'll need your address to figure postage. You can PM me.
Al
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: amecks on March 22, 2019, 07:47:59 PM: I sent the wrench out this morning - and dontcha know, I was collecting stuff for sale out of the last lot of tools and came across this...
(https://i.postimg.cc/BZ796KVc/IMG-8202-01.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
7/16 x 1/2 - embossed with "T" on reverse. Not rusty but the jaws have some marring from slipping off bolt heads/nuts.
Let me know if you want this also, and I'll get it to you.
Al
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on March 22, 2019, 08:40:52 PM: Yes, but maybe (if u want) hold it till finding more. I'll take it off list now. BTW, just put it on my tab LOL, LOL Hoping u'll be finding more!!! Thanks much.
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: amecks on March 23, 2019, 12:01:08 PM: OK. Will do. Swap meet season starts early in May. Rust & Relics at the Curtiss Museum. NY Steam Engine Ass'n on Memorial Day. And our motorcycle club swap meet mid May, sometimes tools show up there ( I try to encourage that).
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on March 24, 2019, 10:35:22 AM: Update, hung up in shop.
Its appears 2be 2 pieces solid pine board, nicely lettered by a professional.

hung next to door to house.
(https://i.postimg.cc/wMZvg457/DSC02457.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/SYLqGrvh)

Showing head with some recent/long ago damage along with the top row of mounting peg holes. Its a total of 2.5" thick, 90" tall, 24" wide.
(https://i.postimg.cc/C5z5ypq3/DSC02460.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/n9fp75T2)
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: international3414 on March 29, 2019, 03:34:52 PM: 2 for you?
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on March 29, 2019, 03:52:59 PM: very nice, i'd like to add them. i'll take 'em off the list and pm u. thanks.
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on April 20, 2019, 04:56:44 PM: Some visual, half of them are wrong for this board layout and each 1 willbe replaced as the correct 1 comes in. I'm going to build another board to use up the wrong 1's that were purchased for the 1923 layout.
Double clik 4 big.
(https://i.postimg.cc/52skQFHy/DSC02480.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NKrxWFkv)
(https://i.postimg.cc/6QTbr5R0/DSC02479.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DWkcFhxJ)
Heres the list, thanks 4 any help.
Oval logo part numbers wanted.
OVAL LOGO ONLY.
1
3
7
8
23
35
663
664
677
683
733
993
994
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: Yadda on April 20, 2019, 06:26:23 PM: Still looks good! Keep us posted on your progress.
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: Plyerman on April 20, 2019, 08:28:42 PM: "Wrong" wrenches or not, it still is an impressive display. Nice work.
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: gibsontool on April 20, 2019, 09:14:06 PM: Like the others said, correct or not, it looks really really good and it's great to see what others members have in their collections.
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on April 21, 2019, 07:22:01 AM: thanks, U know years back i had buckets of williams wrenches and really didn't do anythingwith 'em cause they're kinda common. At my "d" sale i don't think they brought $5 a bucket. Trigger pulling and filling the board makes williams worth it 2 me.
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on May 03, 2019, 06:47:10 PM: Some inserts from williams 16th edition 160 page product book. March 1915. Don't have scanner, only photos.

(https://i.postimg.cc/P5WsDBvy/DSC02517.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/nXhPbSk9)

(https://i.postimg.cc/pdCwGzZn/DSC02520.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Z99s09XT)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Ghs1LBcZ/DSC02511.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/561rp2Q3)

(https://i.postimg.cc/YCKBhp0j/DSC02514.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7fVWRrgy)

(https://i.postimg.cc/mkKf34SX/DSC02516.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/D4QMFtHL)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jq1bY6rH/DSC02524.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NLRV1HFF)
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: Plyerman on May 04, 2019, 09:58:23 AM: From 1915...bet there aren't many of those still around.
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on June 09, 2019, 02:53:12 PM: Quote from: wrenchguy on April 20, 2019, 04:56:44 PM
Some visual, half of them are wrong for this board layout and each 1 willbe replaced as the correct 1 comes in. I'm going to build another board to use up the wrong 1's that were purchased for the 1923 layout.
Double clik 4 big.
(https://i.postimg.cc/52skQFHy/DSC02480.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NKrxWFkv)
(https://i.postimg.cc/6QTbr5R0/DSC02479.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DWkcFhxJ)
Heres the list, thanks 4 any help.
Oval logo part numbers wanted.
OVAL LOGO ONLY.
1
3
7
8
23
35
663
664
677
733
993
994
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: Lewill2 on June 15, 2019, 07:21:51 PM: And another one has shown up on eBay.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Antique-Advertising-Americana-J-H-Williams-Wrench-Display-Snap-On-Tools/264356908253?hash=item3d8ce64cdd:g:KpgAAOSwNy9c~mx-

If the link doesn't work eBay item number:264356908253
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: p_toad on June 15, 2019, 11:35:00 PM: only US $7,495.00

too bad they don't have two of them.... :tongue:
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on June 16, 2019, 01:15:41 PM: See what happens when some 1 thinks they KNOW what the 1st 1 sold 4..............
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: Plyerman on June 20, 2019, 06:50:57 PM: Here's a big Williams for sale on Etsy.....only it ain't made of wood.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/682872268/vintage-williams-4-12-20b-forged-in-usa?ga_order=price_desc&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=antique+wrench&ref=sr_gallery-1-5&organic_search_click=1

(https://i.etsystatic.com/14516236/r/il/65ae3f/1884880457/il_794xN.1884880457_7kls.jpg)

(https://i.etsystatic.com/14516236/r/il/210243/1884693827/il_794xN.1884693827_pgy4.jpg)
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: Yadda on June 20, 2019, 08:11:12 PM: That's a big wrench!
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on June 20, 2019, 10:00:42 PM: 42" big! I'm looking for longer than the 38" NO. 19's I have. Anyone got 1 they'ed let go for the reproduction boards i'm making?
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: lptools on June 22, 2019, 08:13:15 PM: Dyslexia??? Looks like the numbers have moved sideways on this listing!! https://www.ebay.com/itm/264356908253?ul_noapp=true
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: Yadda on June 22, 2019, 08:45:26 PM: Quote from: lptools on June 22, 2019, 08:13:15 PM
Dyslexia??? Looks like the numbers have moved sideways on this listing!! https://www.ebay.com/itm/264356908253?ul_noapp=true

I do like that the board has the cooesponding tools marked on it.
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: Papaw on June 25, 2019, 02:37:39 PM: Price dropped by $1000 !
https://www.ebay.com/itm/264356908253?ul_noapp=true (https://www.ebay.com/itm/264356908253?ul_noapp=true)
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on November 14, 2019, 06:59:00 AM: Been awhile, Here's needed list for the big board i'm working on.
Oval logo part numbers wanted. thanks 4 any help.
1
7
35
733
994
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on February 18, 2020, 06:53:28 PM: Quote from: wrenchguy on November 14, 2019, 06:59:00 AM
Been awhile, Here's needed list for the big board i'm working on.
Oval logo part numbers wanted. thanks 4 any help.
1
7
8
35
733
994

Down to 6 needed. Thanks for any help.
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: leg17 on February 25, 2020, 02:12:40 PM: Quote from: wrenchguy on November 14, 2019, 06:59:00 AM
Been awhile, Here's needed list for the big board i'm working on.
Oval logo part numbers wanted. thanks 4 any help.
1
7
8
35
733
994

What is a Williams 994 wrench?
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on February 25, 2020, 02:25:53 PM: Spark plug wrench i assume from wrench list for that senior board. Don't know its size.
(https://i.postimg.cc/FRVN6sZj/SS1919_(1).jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: leg17 on February 25, 2020, 03:09:01 PM: Quote from: wrenchguy on February 25, 2020, 02:25:53 PM
Spark plug wrench i assume from wrench list for that senior board. Don't know its size.....

Yup, duh. Thanks
You have the other two?
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on February 25, 2020, 09:34:29 PM: No, just 1, the 933. The "A" prolly a diff size plus i'm not trying for suffixes. If i was going for suffixes i'd prolly only have 8 or 10. I've only found 2 in the wild. Another note, There isn't a hook/marked location for the 933 or 994, just placed across the boards 2 bottom mounting bolts that must stick out somehow. Most ebay sellers aren't putting part number in title either, bummer.
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on March 09, 2020, 12:38:10 PM: Down to 5!
Oval logo part numbers wanted. thanks 4 any help.
1
7
35
733
994
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on September 02, 2020, 04:53:44 PM: Bump.
Down to 4!
Oval logo part numbers wanted. thanks 4 any help.
1
7
35
994
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on October 05, 2021, 08:36:08 PM: Bump.
Down to 3!
Oval logo part numbers wanted. thanks 4 any help.
1
7
994
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on October 06, 2021, 08:00:10 PM: A better more informative bump.

Down to 3 needed for the "Silent Salesman" Senior Board.
Oval logo wrenches wanted with below part numbers.
No.1, single head engineers wrench, top row.
No.7, single head engineers wrench, top row.
994 spark plug wrench, may not have oval logo only the "W in Diamond" logo.
thanks 4 any help.
(https://i.postimg.cc/mgfyy6CM/50979d3ebaadc722562bceeea2a3c52c.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/KRfTZf9v)
(https://i.postimg.cc/FRVN6sZj/SS1919_(1).jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on December 09, 2021, 09:35:21 PM: Bumping up for the holidays.
Need oval loge No. 1, No. 7 and a 994. The no.1 may only show the "W" in the sideways diamond.
thanks for any help.
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: Yadda on December 10, 2021, 06:14:46 PM: Fingers crossed that you find them.
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: coolford on December 12, 2021, 03:57:25 PM: Is this one of the wrenches you need, it is single ended. To bad it is not in better condition.
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on December 12, 2021, 08:00:44 PM: Yes, The No. 1 and No. 7 are single end engineer wrenches. The No. 1 is small and seems impossible to find. Is that 7 available to purchase? PM if so.
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on January 20, 2022, 07:48:50 PM: Bumping.
Received a nice No.7 engineers wrench today.
So now down to 2 needed for the "Silent Salesman" Senior Board.
Oval logo wrenches wanted with below part numbers.
No.1, single head engineers wrench, top row left.
(As luck would have it..... Its the smallest on the board.)
I'm thinking it may not have the oval logo????
994 spark plug wrench, may not have oval logo only the "W in Diamond" logo.
thanks 4 any help.

(https://i.postimg.cc/mgfyy6CM/50979d3ebaadc722562bceeea2a3c52c.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/KRfTZf9v)
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: Lewill2 on February 07, 2022, 06:05:44 PM: Is this what you are looking for?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/203824591693?hash=item2f74e4734d:g:m1IAAOSwTdRgbPeW
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on February 07, 2022, 06:15:52 PM: No, that one is a 503, very similar looking but only marked with a embossed "1". Prolly will have that diamond w logo but not exactly sure about either.
Milled 1/2" for 1/4 USS nut. 4" long. Book shows 2 smaller than this.... I'm thankful I'm not looking for those.
Thank you.
Title: Re: Wood williams wrench
Post by: wrenchguy on February 07, 2022, 06:36:15 PM: Info from the book.
The No.1
(https://i.postimg.cc/6qrtjbPP/DSC05172.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RJZkqd41)
(https://i.postimg.cc/MH2zYJ9R/DSC05173.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XGLMVmS7)

Sparkplug wrench 994.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Sszy8xfk/DSC05174.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tZpQGycM)