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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: OilyRascal on March 13, 2012, 08:38:52 PM
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It will literally be an oily shop project - probably always remembered as "The Oily Shop Project" for me.
BACKGROUND
My grandfather was a well respected man and best known in this area for his lifetime of service in the oil fields. He owned a oil field services company and was instrumental in keeping most oil wells around this area serviced and running. Avoiding some of the ugly details, he shut down his business (his choice) about 20 years ago, and literally "closed up shop".
The shop (40x80) was "car sealed", if you will, with everything left as it was when he was in business - and was left that way for the remainder of his life. Upon my grandfather's death (1998), the property was left to my uncle. My uncle has, on occasion, made some limited use of the shop but it has for the most part sat unused and occupied only by those things left some 24+ years ago (with some limited exceptions).
THE SHOP
The shop is actually an old oil field pump house....meaning it's a building originally erected in the mid 20s to serve as protection over a pumping unit. If you've ever seen some of the early pumping units (with a shiv and multiple belts driving several wells) you'd understand why such a large building. My father took the pumping unit structure down when he was young and erected it at my grandfather's as his "new shop". It has two bays, a secure "tool room", and a bathroom. I will not cover up the ugly truth of this shop being a huge mess, OILY OILY OILY, completely unorganized, nearly impossible to walk in - much less find anything or to even know what's there. For nearly a year my uncle and I have held discussions about the idea of trying to do something with the shop.
THE PROJECT
The decided goals of the project are 1) make the space where it is usable for us (the family) - we're all into things mechanical and geesh it sure would be nice to have that huge workspace, and 2) find the tools, inventory them, clean them up, and organize them. For me, personally, side goals are understanding what tools my gpa chose to make use of, and to "cherry pick" those I'd like to keep for myself and pass on.
Today I decided it was time to stop procrastinating about the project and drive over and take a look at it. My goal today was to decide if this was a project I could take on right now and complete in a timely fashion. I spent nearly 5 hours looking at the surface level. I plan to officially start this project on Saturday. I'm very excited to learn more about my grandfather's tool stash and wanted to share the story, as it unfolds, here.
I didn't have my camera with me today. I'll try to get a few pictures on Saturday before I start.
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Sounds very cool. Deffinitly a project that ime sure any of us would enjoy. Hopefully you can keep us update with pictures. A mess dont bother me thats for sure, my shops been getting worse and worse lately. I should be cleaning it in stead of on the net lol.
I cant rember who told me but a while back when I was talking about my grandpas tools someone said "the best tools are your grandpas tools"
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That will be a super project! I bet it takes you longer than you think, but it will be well worth it.
Remember, it doesn't happen if there are no pictures!!!
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cant wait for pics!
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OK OK :)
I'll cough up the cell phone picture - as much as I don't like their poor quality
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A crap view of the corner as an example of the mess. EVERYWHERE you look it is a tool.
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A little jewel I've already eyed
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A couple of homemade wrenches - the longest about 24"
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Whatzit? I already know- I've heard stories of its use.
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Boy do I envy you, saddly I will prob. never again have the opportunity you are looking at. Maybe when I was a younger man growing up in CT but here in FL it would be a tough find.
BTW I would be surprised if those wrenches were home made
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BTW I would be surprised if those wrenches were home made
Why would that surprise you? I've personally been witness to a many of wrench either hand made or significantly altered in that shop. He had 4 sons each went through machinist trade schooling - I remember some very nice metal working projects coming home from trade school when I was younger (my youngest uncle is only 5 years older than me). I would not be surprised at all to learn in the end either my dad or one of his brother's had made them. Just this last fall I learned of a pecan cracker an uncle hand made as machine shop project you'd swear came from a top-tier manufacturing facility - I've still not found one at any price I'd consider comparable in function, quality, or style.
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We went through basically the same type of thing with the stuff my father left behind in his barn when we bought it from my mother. (You could literaly walk from one end to the other without touching the floor) There was a lot of total junk mixed with tools and equipment spread through the whole building! My wife and I sorted and carried stuff for two weeks. The stuff brought back a lot of memories and quite a few comments about why in the world did he keep this? The building sure looked good all cleaned up when we were through! Until we got all the repairs done to the building and started carrying our own junk in!
Bill D.
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Oily, I am soooo jealous! In 1979, my wife and I bought a 7 acre mini farm with a big barn and several out buildings. I paid the old guy (he was only five years older than I am now) $3500 for all of his farm machinery and a promise not to clean the sheds. It took me a couple of years and a bunch of trips to the scrap yard to clean it all out. Many prize goodies. I hope you have as much fun as I did working your ass off.
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Great project I look forward to progress reports on this one
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I envy you,looks like a fun project.
P.S. your Thorsen stuff will be in mail this AM
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Looks like you need another shed just to shift things to! How about getting one of those shipping containers for storage of the big stuff that is too good to throw out? Looks like a month of sundays work you got there.
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Last night was a very long night for me. I was like a kid the night before Christmas thinking about getting started on this project. So, I got up this morning and did just that.
MY TOOLS for the job: I grabbed some steel wool, a bunch of plastic bins, a box-o-rags, the handy 6 packer cooler, crackers, and some gloves.
I figured the best way for me to get started on this was to dig in, start grouping things I find into those plastic bins, and hope that I'll find some flat work spaces and concrete along the way.
I worked about 13 hours today in that shop - non stop. I started in the corner I that I posted a picture of yesterday. It took me a few hours to find and clear the top of the work bench. I then look down at the floor level and find bucket after bucket after bucket of a mixture of piping, tools, nuts, bolts, gaskets, etc. etc. So I decide to dump the buckets on the workbench top, and by the time I'm done dumping a few I'm right back to where the work bench can't be seen....and I do it over again.....and again.
The one thing you didn't see on my tool list was my camera. I'm very reluctant to take it into that environment. I may over the next few days as things start taking a little shape. I'm posting a few pictures taken on my cell of the progress made today and some findings. I spent little time today concerning myself with what I was finding. I really just wanted to start grouping things and not get rapped around the axle of looking at each and every tool today. I wanted to make some progress that could be seen. The saga will continue tomorrow at 5:30am. Volunteers are welcome :)
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A couple of pipe wrenches I found. The one on the horizontal is an 8" Ridgid.
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I found a couple of ratchets today.
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A few thousand sockets and wrenches
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punches, chisels, files, pry, drill bits, and screwdrivers - and some pipe wrenches
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No count on hammers, but I'm guessing I could near a ton in the weight of heads with no handle.
Pipe threading - we do lots of pipe threading.
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If you look way up you can find some goodies. I remember these being purchased as a scrap lot from a local refinery. The "culls" of the lot were put on the top shelf and left there. HA - very few culls in that cull pile.
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My last picture of the day is of the jack that took the end of my left index finger when I was 11 years old. I played with this jack as a young kid, called myself "helping" in the shop when they were working. I was working/playing/helping with it one day under a load and managed to get my finger in the ooops - wrong place. It has a switch lever that can hurt you badly. I still say this jack has style. I'd love to bring it home and I could, but I think the man looking down on me would frown upon it leaving.....so it will stay.
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Looks like you need another shed just to shift things to! How about getting one of those shipping containers for storage of the big stuff that is too good to throw out? Looks like a month of sundays work you got there.
Lucky me - there is an empty moving van on blocks right outside the door :)
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>>Lucky me - there is an empty moving van on blocks right outside the door :)
Yeahbut.....is it full of stuff?
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Me thinks you have the project to end all projects.....
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>>Lucky me - there is an empty moving van on blocks right outside the door :)
is it full of stuff?
EMPTY - My first cousin pitched in some help today by moving it over there for me to have handy. The shop YARD - how many school buses and moving vans, umm 5 wench trucks, 6 farm tractors that I can think of, couple of gravely tractors I saw today, a ditch witch, two backhoes, old D9 and a JD450, more trailers that I care to count much less pay license fees for, concrete mixers, pumping units everywhere, 40 years of dead company trucks......................I'm sure you get the idea.
LOL - you thought I was able to walk into the shop door without tripping :) Hopefully tomorrow I can get the Waukesha engine out of the middle of the doorway.
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Boy do I envy you, saddly I will prob. never again have the opportunity you are looking at. Maybe when I was a younger man growing up in CT but here in FL it would be a tough find.
BTW I would be surprised if those wrenches were home made
I found about a dozen or so other homemade looking tools today and piled together. My uncle came down late, and I spoke with him about those two wrenches in particular - along with some "whatzit" on some others. He said he'd made them himself in the shop with a cutting torch and flat file overhauling a Continental engine. Holding them it was clear they were cut with a cutting torch :) - a better picture would probably show their crudeness - they weren't that nice.
If you would like a good laugh - I had thrown this homemade thing over in the pile that looked like well tubing cap, has plate steel welded over one end sealing it, with a couple of nipples welded into the sides with railroad unions attached to nipples. wicked looking thing. So I pick it up when my uncle is down and ask "what in the heck is this", his response; "well, you of all.." - I STOPPED HIM - I had made the dad blurn thing when I was young myself with his help to hydrotest tubing. Rack the pipe, cap it at the bottom, fill it with water hose up top, attach ^^^^^^ tool, then pressure washer rigging we came up with, use washer to pressure up pipe to 5k, let er blow or back to the hole. If she blew she was surely a fence post on the property at some point. Never wanted one to blow without a chain and binder on it.
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I'm impressed...and wishing I was closer so I could "help"
DM&FS
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WOW!! If you get this cleaned up and organized, you will probably be among the largest tool collectors on Tooltalk. I'd love to see pics of the winch trucks. Oil patch trucks are really cool!
John
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....you will probably be among the largest tool collectors on Tooltalk. I'd love to see pics of the winch trucks. Oil patch trucks are really cool!
I don't need that pressure :) I'm honestly overwhelmed with it all. I'll make it a point to walk the property one day and get pics all around - some really interesting stuff there. It think the farmall cub I saw today may be older than my super a. I know the "johnny popper" I saw is. I can wait for this to all be done so I can get my dad and uncle together and drag one of those tractors into the shop and have some man time with it.
I'm impressed...and wishing I was closer so I could "help"
HEY - If you can travel down here to play, you can travel down here to work. If you knew me real well you wouldn't offer to "help" because you'd know it'll be a marathon and I'd never let go of any of my "paw paw's" tools. But hey - I'd let you pet on them :)
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Today's Update:
I started the day with a couple of focus areas. I was able to get all the lights going, and I had an electric motor delivered and I installed it on the air compressor. I now have electricity, air, and water.
I made more good progress on sorting through things in general. I bounced around a good bit when I first got started because I was struggling with where to displace things (yes, even with a moving box van outside). I finally settled with focusing on the "bolt bins", which was actually a 4' x 8' workspace at an angle with box built on top - giving it a lip around the outside and several compartments. If you look at the photo album link I've attached, you'll see a picture with a number of 5 gallon buckets full of nuts and bolts. Those come from that area.
My "treasure" found today is a Schrade Old-Timer Honesteel knife hone. It was my grandfather's on my mother's side of the family. He worked for my grandfather on my father's side, and apparently had left it in the shop somewhere in the early 70 or before. He passed when I was 3 years of age. It is in a nice leather holster and, however it may be the case, in nearly perfect condition.
Because of the volume of pictures I took today I've uploaded them into an album http://photobucket.com/theoilyshop
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Looking very good for a sart. Ime just amazed at his shop. Very nice, could only imigane it back in the day with him working in it.
Thats a pretty nice press ya got not to meantion a few vises I saw. Any plans to redo them? Not to meantion all the tools expecially the larger ratchets an pipe wrenches. Allong with the large snatch block an chains/binders/tongs I saw. I think I could go on and on about it all but it looks like you got yourself one heck of a project. A very nice one to.
Please keep us updated :)
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Farm tractors, a D-9 Cat, winch trucks, trailers, shop full of tools and equipment, some people here would think they were in heaven, or Iowa! I know how the brush likes to grow down in that neck of the woods, so you'll be finding stuff for the next year. Don't envy you establishing ownership with all the family people involved. But you got a real good start on the clean up.
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.......meantion a few vises I saw. Any plans to redo them?
Off the top of my head the things I've seen I'd like seen redone and put back as workers into the shop; that huge Rock Island vise on the ground outside (it shames me to see it there on the ground), the "jack of pain" (haven't looked but I suspect this is a very reputable USA made, 2 older bottle jacks (ditto previous statement), what I suspect is a very old screw type house jack (though I'm not sure what you'd do with it), the press (WOW could I use this regularly), tire changer (because I can and I think it'd be cool), a very old belt drive grinder rock (and I suspect I found the original driver that was paired), air compressor (I've already gotten it running)......heck I go on all night.......dreaming.
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What an unbelieveable wealth of tools and stuff. This will be an interesting thread.
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Oh. WINCH trucks. I was trying to imagine what a WENCH truck might be.
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EVERYWHERE you look it is a tool.
OK, that might slow you down a little.... Enjoy !!
Brian L.
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WOW!! I can see why you are overwhelmed. Just remember the long standing advice on how to eat an elephant. 'One bite at a time'. I can't wait to see photos a few months from now when you are just whelmed.
JIS
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Day 3 - It's Friday! I started very early this morning; loaded the backhoe up and took it over saying to myself I was finally going to move some things out of my way - some big things. I realize very quickly once I'm there and unloaded there isn't a snow ball's chance in heck of getting to the doorway for all the crap, much less into the door enough to grab what I needed.
I decided to call Gene, he's owned a NAPA dealer here for all my life. I told him I had a Ford 3000 tractor what year and that it hadn't run in way to many years to matter exactly how many......and that I needed him to hook me up with all things fluids, filters, fuel, spark, and air. While I was waiting on parts I took the time to grab the carb, points, and condensor off the cub (see pictures link). About 45 minutes later I had everything I needed to goto work on the 3000.....so I did. A couple hours later I have that guy going and went out and grabbed a boom I'd seen laying in the dirt.
Tractor under butt I was able to finally move some things out of my way. Talk about a man with a smile on his face.....then I got so disgusted trying to get in/out with the tractor (batteries everywhere) that I took the midday and loaded batteries up on the trailer while I had it there. I loaded 3 pallets of batteries totaling 221 and drove them to the scrap yard - landing a whopping .........well good deal of spending money for the shop later.
I made some progress inside as you'll see if you look through the album, but not as much as I'd liked given the derailment of moving heavy things. Good news is, I now have my grandpa's tractor over there I can use versus spending another 45 minutes loading and binding the backhoe or tractor every day....not to mention I try to avoid pulling 17k pounds down the road with my pickup (though it's rated).
I finally got past the bathroom door blockage and found (among some nasty things) this lovely borax soap dispenser mounted by the sink. A keeper for certain.
My treasure find of the day was a magnetic sign that would have been placed on the side of the company truck. I actually found two both being new but having a toll taken just by nature of being in the shop. A very nice find nonetheless, and a good reminder to me that I should not wholesale throw everything out the door because it has no function. I started walking around picking up "old things" for display sake; 7UP coke DP bottles, NOS krylon spray, case of nos oil, metal gas and water cans, old spark plugs in new box, and such. I'd really like to put the shop back to it's day, and have it feel that way when you're working inside.
A link below to the pictures I was able to take today. Not a lot of pictures because no joke my camera battery said "exhausted" and shutdown, and I said out loud to myself "ME TOO", and shut down.
Pictures : http://www.photobucket.com/oilyshopday3
Just remember the long standing advice on how to eat an elephant. 'One bite at a time'.
That's what I keep telling myself, John.....but problem is I'm already same shape as my camera battery: "Exhausted".
Oh. WINCH trucks. I was trying to imagine what a WENCH truck might be.
lol - I'm from south arkansas - you're lucky I didn't spell it wanch...you know, like she's being an ole wanch.
What an unbelieveable wealth of tools and stuff.
YES - I hope this group is up to the challenge because I'm going to need a lot of help in the coming times. I knew the tool stock was that was "in the day", but had no idea it had not already been looted. The good news of the shop being a complete wreck was that nobody could find the tools to loot them :)
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it seems to me that you are living all our dreams,,(exhausted or not ) but as i see those old tractors sinkin into the ground an odd thought occurs to me,,totally unrelated,,who or what is keeping the grass and weeds down?
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There are more possibilties sitting around there than I suspected. The JohnDeere is a 40s model, the seat is newer than the tractor and that threw me. All the tractors and trucks look pretty good and complete. Now that its getting organized and people see activity over there, hope you can lock it up securely. Those big shop doors are hung on tracks or hinges? See a lot of progress, good going.
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So...when do we get advanced tickets to the Oily Truck and Tractor Museum? LOL
Oh, such a project you have started.......
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Day 4 - With all the chances I took with expensive tires yesterday I decided today I would spend some time cleaning my way into the bays, from the outside. There was just about enough room to drive the tractor through lanes of stuff piled to either side, and I kept worrying that at anytime I would get myself a tire water bath. I've just now realized I didn't have a "before" picture of the front, so just appreciate now it doesn't look like two small lanes you'd barely drive a ford focus down with jagged tools of death poking out everywhere.
Having the front cleared of some crap I was able to get the backhoe to the shop door and get the huge pile of trash out that has accumulated over the last few days. I'm now able to drive up to both bay doors, and get about a hood's worth into the shop. It's a start!
Having my outside goals already met for the day I decided to go inside and spend some time sorting/cleaning. I found an old metal pallet that had something orange that was motorish....so I dug and found a fairly large Onan generator - guessing it was probably military. I don't remember this generator and I remember the others, so I'm not sure where the heck this comes from or what's wrong with it. As you'll see its disassembled, but I also found "NEW" pistons and rods laying in the mix. So I guess a project in flight back in the day?
I was also able to make good progress in the welding area. I found a two licolns and a miller crackerboxes. I think I will probably bring the miller home.
My find of the day is a Craftsman commercial belt drive metal band saw. I don't have a clue off the cuff at dating, and as already stated I refuse to get derailed at the moment with tool drool. The thought of those days is keeping me going during the grunt phase.
Pictures I took today can be found via the following link http://www.photobucket.com/oilyshopday4
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So...when do we get advanced tickets to the Oily Truck and Tractor Museum? LOL
Oh, such a project you have started.......
Come on over, "rusty" - I promise you'll fit right in here. You may be seeing the rest of the days of my life. I don't know.
There are more possibilties sitting around there than I suspected. The JohnDeere is a 40s model, the seat is newer than the tractor and that threw me. All the tractors and trucks look pretty good and complete. Now that its getting organized and people see activity over there, hope you can lock it up securely. Those big shop doors are hung on tracks or hinges? See a lot of progress, good going.
thanks for the note on that seat - I didn't catch that. RE: Security - the shop locks up good. They were fabricators and welders :) and I'm a deer hunter so I have this handy thing called a portable "game camera". I installed more than I can count on one hand the day I drove over to look at what I was starting......so If you're going to loot find all cameras or OOPS you're caught. All I can say to a would be thief is this - this is small town USA and everybody knows everybody's business - if you steal from there and the camera doesn't ID you I will find you via gossip, scrapyards, and pawn shops.....and OH - papaw also had a few hundred TRAPS - so watch out - if the pipe everywhere doesn't break your leg the trap may......and please do it on Sunday, my day of rest, so that I'm not hiding out somewhere at the shop with my SR9 and 17 shots.
it seems to me that you are living all our dreams,,(exhausted or not ) but as i see those old tractors sinkin into the ground an odd thought occurs to me,,totally unrelated,,who or what is keeping the grass and weeds down?
I would agree, Benjy. I am living my dreams - part of which is getting back to my roots. I'm very passionate about both things mechanical and things heritage; so this is a particularly fun time for me. Not dodging your question re: grass rather having a little fun with it (and I wondered who would ask that question). See if you can find the answer in today's pictures :)
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Makes me feel a little better that its secure. The segmented belt you question marked, is just that. An early after market V belt for tractors, truck, and equipment, could be snapped apart and reattached to make any length needed. I doubt if it was marketed much after 1950, but have seen very old tractors still running with them. What I see too are islands, where a big heavy whatever was sat, too much to move, then something gets stacked on top, beside, leaned on, and pretty soon there is an island growing! Happens alot, shops, farms, even plants. The Onan I doubt is military as its not green, back when that was new, nearly everything on military contract was OD green. I can seen lots of progress, and congrats on getting that blue Ford tractor going, is nice to have a prime mover handy. Now maybe a winch truck, for the real heavy stuff.
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>I doubt if it was marketed much after 1950, but have seen very old tractors still running with them.
You can still buy them from Napa, they are still used for some pecular applications...
> I think I will probably bring the miller home.
Good pick, the Thunderbolt's aren't regulated, but they are heavier machines than the little buzz boxes, and the TC-150 sitting next to it is a rectifier designed for that machine so you can weld DC if you want to....
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Now maybe a winch truck, for the real heavy stuff.
YES - for that pumping unit base in the middle of the shop the sheet of ply is laying across :) I'm nearly confident I could get one of them going again fairly quickly, and I know just which one to pick although you'd think I'm nuts looking at cab where it was rolled at one point..............but I don't need any encouragement with getting thrown off track here. Truth is that base is the heaviest thing in the shop and I can drag it out across the concrete with the backhoe.....guessing I can pick it up after I clear the doors, and if I can't I know how to put outriggers down and gently persuade from there.
I'm really hoping my dad and uncle will get involved at some point and see the fun and that they again have a place to work to tackle such things (winch trucks and tractors). I suspect, although not discussed, emotion may keep them away at this point. I've gained very little of their combined presence since starting the project, and only then because of insisting they look at specific things for some specific decisions. I've been very taken back by the lack of involvement but I have a lot less, and no negative, emotion involved so this project I'm afraid is easiest handled by me. If they don't come around, I may go it alone on some things but my pockets aren't deep enough for winch trucks I'm afraid.
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>I doubt if it was marketed much after 1950, but have seen very old tractors still running with them.
You can still buy them from Napa, they are still used for some pecular applications...
> I think I will probably bring the miller home.
Good pick, the Thunderbolt's aren't regulated, but they are heavier machines than the little buzz boxes, and the TC-150 sitting next to it is a rectifier designed for that machine so you can weld DC if you want to....
Thanks, Rusty! A Rectifier - I said to myself it was for DC welding conversion but called it a phase converter in my mind. There are also two rather large (abt. size of the Wakashu previously pictured in shop) gasoline burner lincoln welders I'd like to hear your comment on. I suspect they are DC only based on grinder I saw laying around one. I will try to grab a few pictures and any details I can find on them early next week.
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I not 100% sure but I have owned and worked with lots of Lincoln welders over the years ( gas and diesel) and all of them were DC machines. Years ago during a long power outage I plugged in our fridge and some light circuits to a 200 amp Lincoln I had in the yard and promptly fried the fridge with no damage to the lighting circuits When the machine is not being used as a welder and the high idle switch is in the on position the machine will produce 110 volts but it is DC power and will not run a lot of appliances without serious damage.Miller portable welding machines are (as far as I know) all AC power and will safely run most appliances. I would think that all machines originally had a tag stating what type of power the produced.Good luck on your project. I have a pretty good idea what your going thru, I recently retired after 40 plus years in heavy industrial construction and cleaning out my building (6000 Square Feet) to prepare it for rental was a major project. I am such a pac rat it took a long long time to get it done. Good luck
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The old Lincoln machines, and most of the other guys machines for that matter, are really generators, and produce DC , light bulbs don't care, but lots of other stuff does....
Many of the newer (20 years here -P) machines can produce AC suitable for plugging in small electrical devices and such tho.....
(One of the reasons things like small electric grinders and drills continued to be available with 'universal' motors for so long was so you could plug them into DC when necessary....)
On an almost related note, navy ships used to use still a different kind of power, high frequency AC. A fellow I worked with serves several years, and used to recount the joys of watching the fresh out of boot camp recruits first time plugging in their electric razors......
(When plugged into 400 cycle power , they let out an ear piercing shreak, for about 20 seconds before going up in a cloud of smoke...)
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Day 5 - I said I was to work around the house exclusively today and catch up on a few things. I quickly changed that plan this morning when I got up. I didn't plan to "hurt myself" today, rather wanted a day at the place to walk around and look and think and dream.
I walked around and took more pictures of interesting things laying around the property. I found two older road graders. I knew there was one and remember well it's use. The other was from left field. I know I was much younger when I was last around all these things, but you'd think something that large on the property I'd remember.
Inside the shop I spent most of my day either moving the scrap pile onto the trailer to haul off tomorrow, or moving big things out or around with the tractor. I was able to get the onan generator out of the shop, a scrap engine out, and two freshly overhauled engines in an area out of the way. There was a huge metal frame built for a couch (you've probably already seen in the pictures) that I hauled out as well. So - I got some big things out of the shop being lazy sitting on the tractor.
Tomorrow I hope will be scrap day, and find usable trailers day. I'd like to find at least two big trailers I can put stuff on that I know needs to go back inside at some point, but that I want out of the way daily (e.g. tools). My idea being leave trailer inside at night and hookup each morning and wholesale move out of my way.
Link to today's pictures http://www.photobucket.com/oilyshopday5
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Man, you gotta rest some time! Interesting stuff poking out of the weeds there, those Gravelys, bits of iron. Never seen an old pull road grader put on rubber before. In picture six the load of scrap, is that a long tool box on top? In pic 11, those wooden cultivator handles, and a walking plow, would like to get some for an old garden cultivator I have. But it looks like they're already attached to one. That 70s Chevy C-70 looks like you will need a chain saw to get it out. Progress, you're making good progress.
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Day 6 - The early part of my day was consumed with getting scrap metal out of my way...things I had already sorted through twice and made a decision to recycle. I started to worry the trailer my be getting a little to heavy so I decided to haul it off to the recycle center. The trailer load was just under the 7k trailer rating at 6800 pounds. I wasn't expecting that much weight.
I was able to make some progress on the tool room by getting several things out of the doorway. I brought out a couple of truck seats, several tires, a hand made tool box, and three spools of cable you'll see in the pictures.....before I could step foot in the doorway.
I was also able to get the area on the north west side clean under the workbench. I had to move around 10 wheel barrow loads of pipe fittings out of the shop and into the moving van (see pics).
We'll see what tomorrow brings as my back is tiring and my grass growing.
Pictures taken today http://www.photobucket.com/oilyshopday6
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I'm still trying to figure out which is my bigger fantasy. That much shop and land or that many goodies.
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I'm still trying to figure out which is my bigger fantasy. That much shop and land or that many goodies.
All of the above!
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I looked thru a good amount of your pics.
If you loan them old welding helmets to a grade school science teacher during a solar eclipse you will be a hero.
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Day 7 - My back is bothering me a good bit today and I had a funeral to attend this morning so only about three hours in the shop today. I decided it was in my best interest to find some less strenuous work in the shop for a few days. Today I was committed to finding all that I could of the 3/4" drive proto pro set I'd heard of. I had already found the ratchet and breakover, and suspected a few of the sockets. Appreciate I had to travel well outside the shop to various "gang" trucks in order to find much of the set. I was working off information another of my dad's brothers had given me in finding them. As you'll see in the pictures I nearly resurrected the 3/4" set from 15/16" - 2-1/4". I believe I may have even found the orginal metal case, but uncertain at this point (they do fit nicely). I'm already in love with having a nice anvil around (I don't at home). It and a few of those body tools I'd found made straightening that toolbox where somebody walked on it a breeze. I believe I've also found the better part of a Williams 3/4 set as well, but not the ratty as of yet. I also ran across several "hornet" sockets in my search for things proto - maybe my existing Hornet ratchet will have some new friends.
I did some sorting, drooling, and picture taking on the various hammer heads, axe heads, body tools, hand drills, and oil cans I'd found.
I was proud to have found a couple of things today just walking around looking. The first is the basket that was made to go inside the parts washing vat outside. I was starting to think I'd need to make another. With the volume of tools there is no question that basket, a block and tackle, and some rope are in order. The second item found was an old scale (see pictures). I'm not certain that I've found all of it, but I'm proud to have found what I have.
Pictures taken today: http://www.photobucket.com/oilyshopday7
If you loan them old welding helmets to a grade school science teacher during a solar eclipse you will be a hero.
Great Idea, and there is a very rural K-12 school just up the hill I attended as a child.
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>If you loan them old welding helmets to a grade school science teacher during a solar eclipse you will be a hero.
Nice thought, but...
Be aware that you need at least a #14 shade to safely look at the sun, and welding shades are usually a #12 or less.....
No, you can not stack together 2 #7's , it doesn't work that way...
Also, very old shades may not have enough UV protection, at some point the way the shdes are made changed from tinted glass, to coated tinted glass with a much better UV & IR protection...
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>If you loan them old welding helmets to a grade school science teacher during a solar eclipse you will be a hero.
Nice thought, but...
Be aware that you need at least a #14 shade to safely look at the sun, and welding shades are usually a #12 or less.....
No, you can not stack together 2 #7's , it doesn't work that way...
Also, very old shades may not have enough UV protection, at some point the way the shdes are made changed from tinted glass, to coated tinted glass with a much better UV & IR protection...
Oh my! They'll make great decor.
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I thought that this might interest you Oily.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/25-Wholesale-Hickory-Hammer-Handles-Claw-Blacksmith-Ball-Pein-Machinist-Hatchet-/120845766872?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c22f810d8 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/25-Wholesale-Hickory-Hammer-Handles-Claw-Blacksmith-Ball-Pein-Machinist-Hatchet-/120845766872?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c22f810d8)
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I thought that this might interest you Oily.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/25-Wholesale-Hickory-Hammer-Handles-Claw-Blacksmith-Ball-Pein-Machinist-Hatchet-/120845766872?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c22f810d8 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/25-Wholesale-Hickory-Hammer-Handles-Claw-Blacksmith-Ball-Pein-Machinist-Hatchet-/120845766872?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c22f810d8)
I'd say I need them - and several others :) I grabbed a 36" at BigBoxHardware tonight for the 16lb double face sledge find that I cleaned up. I look forward to seeing most of those heads found in the last week getting new handles - especially the pein hammers which I have few of.
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Day 8 - I arrived this morning to a small pond in front of the shop. A storm/front has been moving through for a couple days and has dropped a good bit of rain - so much in fact that I literally saw fish in the drive at the shop as I pulled up. Apparently there was enough rainfall to overflow the pond, and the shop area was littered with very small white perch. As much mess as there was outside, it was nice to see the shop had weathered the storm inside without taking on water.
Today was a much better day for me physically and progress at the shop was evidence. I was able to get the vise area clean, the old bolt bin area cleared and torn out, a couple dozen old tires out, and the valve grinding area hit with a first pass. I couldn't help myself but to dive into tools getting the sockets and wrenches sorted down to another layer. I was also able to go through the plastic bin where I had been collecting screwdrivers, files, punches, chisels, hex, and drill bits and get it sorted down another level. So now I have a few piles of pure drivers, pure files, pure punches, etc. Not sure why I did not do this from the start. Bad idea and created work looking back. I often feel like I'm losing traction for moving things around.
I'd appreciate any thoughts you may have on the managing the huge pile of drill bits; specifically on how I might be able to size them more quickly than trying to read lettering on each bit. I've managed to find about 5 old metal drill bit cases I'd like to refill. Also any guidance on eyeing a quality bit over a crap one?
Pictures taken today may be found via the following link: http://www.photobucket.com/oilyshopday8
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Boy! Im enjoying the photos, the work your putting in is tremenous. We all like work, just glad your doing it! Keep it up!especially the photos.
BTW photo 15 "no idea" are hinge clips for joining flat drive belting (haven seen any around yet?).
Graeme
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>... huge pile of drill bits; specifically on how I might be able to size them more quickly than trying to read lettering on each bit. I've managed to find about 5 old metal drill bit cases I'd like to refill. Also any guidance on eyeing a quality bit over a crap one?
The first problem is they are bouncing around in a box(s). Which means it's a virtual certancy they are all dull, as the tips have beem banging into other hardened steel drill bits...(drills are edge tools like files, they need to be stored properly)
I would be inclined to stick them all in a box until you are bored/need a drill bit and are willing to do some sharpening..
The answer to the second question is the answer to the third. Good quality steel drill boxes have holes accurate enough to size drill bits, just put the bits in the smallest hole they fit in and they will be in the right place, assuming the cases haven't been abused/worn out...
As to quality, given the probable age of the shop, I doubt there are any chinese ones in there, that leaves the question of carbon steel or alloy. Sorry, there is no way to tell if it's not marked on the drill (keep the ones marked HSS)....
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I was wrong on the belt lacing. It's not Clipper, it is Alligator. No special tools needed.
(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb373/johnsironsanctuary/scan0001-2.jpg)
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I was wrong on the belt lacing. It's not Clipper, it is Alligator. No special tools needed.
So you would cut this stock to length (width of belt) and hammer into belt to crimp?
I do believe (based on pic you attached) I found a flat belt cutter. I'll try to remember to grab pictures next time over.
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That's how it's done. Just don't pound it like they show in the pic. When you put in the first one, assemble the second lace AND the pin before you hammer the first lace in place. With just the pin in it, you have a wrassling match trying to get the pin AND the lace in.
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Day 9 - I stopped on my way to the shop this morning to grab a bag of ice at the local watering hole. I see my great uncle (gpa's brother on the shop side) while I'm in the store. He is the only remaining sibling of 13 total. We chatted for a while about "what's going on down there". He asked me about an old dodge truck saying he'd like to have the motor. So, I enlist some help from a cousin and drag the thing down there - it's only about a 1/4 mile down the road. He tries to give me money for it and, of course, I refuse. So he asked me "would you take a couple old wrenches I won't use?". I say to him, "YES, uncle RV. I rather enjoy collecting various tools". He takes me into his shop and drags out a 36" Ridgid pipe wrench, a 18" Williams superjustable (see pic album), a handle-less sledge with that same horseshoe emblem of the hammer I found in the garden, and several huge (e.g. 2-1/2) "structure wrenches" that, as it turns out, were Williams. A good part of my day was consumed with getting that truck over to him, but rewarded 100 fold in beauty's I know were my great uncles. As a note, at one point he actually said to me "I figure you could cut that wrench in half and it won't be so heavy and you could put a cheater pipe on it better"......regarding the 36" pipe wrench. :) thinking to self why of course I'll cut a $60 pipe wrench in half.
I did make headway at the shop - mostly outside. I was able to get more of the slab around outside the bay doors cleared. It was a costly task as it is a drain/basin area and had filled with a mixture of bolts, nuts, rods, and hardened oil. As suspected the basin drain is plugged.
As stated in the thread regarding the cable cutter I was able to get it free and moving. I'm not proud of some of my risky techniques in getting in "unfrozen" but fortunately it worked out for me in the end without damage to the tool (or me).
I fired up the oil burner stove today after cleaning it out - packed it full of old dry rotted welding leads - and lit a fire. I'm guessing the 8 x 100' welding leads will yield a good bit in copper crap - hopefully enough in the end to buy ONE new set of leads.
Lastly - spent some time on sorting through sockets and found (generally) most common "automotive" tools were Williams - larger Proto and Snap-on. I found a 2-1/2 and 2-1/4" Snap-On in 1" drive to compliment where the Proto set stopped. It looks like I'll be able to reassemble complete sets of 1/2" drive Williams (shallow and deep), Armstrong (shallow), and Blackhawk (shallow). Also found nearly complete set of 8-point impact in Proto 1/2 drive.
It was a lot of fun to have some "tool time" and neglect the cleanup. Pictures taken today may be found via the following link: http://www.photobucket.com/oilyshopday9
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I'm enjoying the progress reports and looks like you are making good progress.
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A small tubby of vinegar might save a lot of wire brushing, especially with the sockets. Just don't forget to take them out after a few days. About six months ago, someone posted a glass bread pan that was forgotten for weeks with a tool in it. It looked like one of those science experiments that are sometimes found in the back of the refrigerator.
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Day 10 - As the day ended and I started my usual picture taking round my camera abruptly stated "Battery Exhausted"....so only a couple of pictures today. I can summarize the day with a simple "my 20' trailer can now sleep inside the locked shop at night with goodies that are coming home with me someday soon". I have some sense of accomplishment that I'm able to get it inside, and that I no longer need it for bulk 6-8k lb. scrap loads. Coming home are:
The drill press - Craftsman Commercial - unknown year/model There is a smaller drill press in the shop already, and I want to bring the big drill press back into the shop that was there when I was a child (a flat belt driven press from the 20s). I'm told the old press is on the property somewhere. I'm not sure where the switch-a-roo came from with the drill presses - but apparently somebody had some issue with the big one and threw it out the door for a Craftsman (it works right now) model. I need a larger drill press at home and the Craftsman is a good size It has had the shivs removed (although I found the originals) and some replacement shivs sitting on top of it (not installed). So I need to try to understand what the issue was with the original shivs and setup. I hate to change them to another size as there are clear RPM guidelines stamped on the side for the various shiv arrangements.
The Miller welding machine - There are three 220v welding machines in the shop; the Miller and two Lincolns. I've decided to take the Miller home because....well, frankly I was about ready to pull the trigger on a Miller spending nearly a grand.....so it's a great deal for me - except - I'm told the last known information was that the rectifier didn't work. At least one cable is missing. My plan is to take it to the local welding supply place and see if they can diagnose/service the thing. I have no idea what kind of money I might need to sink into it. I"m hoping they can give me an estimate for a nominal fee. Decision from there. I ashamed to say I just don't know my welding machines that well. I'm guessing there is no "exciting" a 220v as you would with a generator version - but I don't know.
The air compressor - It's an IR and it was installed on top of that custom build truck bed (previously pictured) on top of the late 70s Ford 1 ton. Somebody has made there way to remove the 9hp gasoline briggs (I found it in the corner of the shop). I suppose the plan was to install an electric motor as there is one there that makes sense with mounting plate and HP. I want the gasoline engine back on it - with hopes of someday having it on that bed again with the old Lincoln welder beside it, and bottles for the torch, with THE BED ON THE TRUCK.....as it should be dang-it. Why somebody raped the truck by taking the bed off - stripping the equipment - tearing it apart - throw it in the mud - let the tool trays sit with a $1200 socket set bathed in water and rust.......it would be very easy to get frustrated with this nonsense if I had "skin in the game". I'm certain my Papaw has been rolling in his grave.
The Craftsman Commercial metal bandsaw. The bottom line is nobody in the family wants the thing and my uncle is being insistent on it being out of the shop.....so it comes home with me. It's a nice and heavy old belt driven bandsaw on a homemade angle iron stand. I'm told the belt likes to jump. I'm guessing I can fix that issue pretty easily.
A small tubby of vinegar might save a lot of wire brushing, especially with the sockets. Just don't forget to take them out after a few days. About six months ago, someone posted a glass bread pan that was forgotten for weeks with a tool in it. It looked like one of those science experiments that are sometimes found in the back of the refrigerator.
I've been putting off "going to town" for several days now knowing I need large quantity of vinegar. I just love living in the country where I need to make a special $25 in gasoline trip for $8 in vinegar.
I'm enjoying the progress reports and looks like you are making good progress.
Thanks, Fins/413. It takes a good bit of effort to photograph and document daily (when I'm already exhausted) and it's nice to hear you're enjoying it.....makes it all worth while.
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>I just love living in the country where I need to make a special $25 in gasoline trip for $8 in vinegar.
Once drove an hour to pick up a 10c lock washer....*no one* had one...sigh
Ditto on the photos, they are a lot of fun :)))
>Drill press...the issue was with the original shivs and setup
What you may find if you look on the rpm tags is that the slowest speed isn't very slow, common problem with those, when you want to drill heavy material you want slower speeds, But, the poor thing doesn't turn slow because it is not designed for high torque....
>I'm told the last known information was that the rectifier didn't work
Easy fix, it only has 6 parts in it ;P
>IR ... I want the gasoline engine back on it -
Yes, absolutly, it has special unloaders for the gas engine, using it with an electric motor is a waste....
And portable air power is a sweet thing....
You need the throttle controller tho, they probably lost that somewhere in the shop splitting them up...
>Band saw...I'm told the belt likes to jump. I'm guessing I can fix that issue pretty easily
The motor is out of line, 10 minutes with a wrench and a decent square....
The old power bandsaws are slow, but they make nice clean straight cuts...
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You know Oily, that you keep mentioning this other shop of yours, and you're filling it up with all this nice heavy iron, pretty soon there will be people wanting pics, The Big Clean Out in Living COLOR! At least you're getting something of your grandpas, and with the know how to work it and care for it. After my relatives got through with my grandpas farm, I got an axe, a douible bit Plomb, period. Really enjoy the work you're doing, enjoy it even more sitting here of an evening with my boots off.
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You know Oily, that you keep mentioning this other shop of yours, and you're filling it up with all this nice heavy iron, pretty soon there will be people wanting pics, The Big Clean Out in Living COLOR! At least you're getting something of your grandpas, and with the know how to work it and care for it. After my relatives got through with my grandpas farm, I got an axe, a douible bit Plomb, period. Really enjoy the work you're doing, enjoy it even more sitting here of an evening with my boots off.
I don't have much for workspace at my place. The first is a 20x20 block wall "garage" with two 8' doors. Not once have I ever parked a running automobile in it. This is my workshop and the farmall coming back together has consumed most of it for to long. The other building is an old block wall barn with nice loft area. It doesn't have a slab so the best you can say for it is that it keeps things out of the weather that need to be out of the weather. The 3610 consumes it for the most part.
I've tried hard to involve all the family as I've gone through this process at the shop....particularly my dad trying to be an advocate for his having things of his father's. I think my dad's simple view on life is that he already has enough crap at home and projects for his age....and doesn't want more. My uncle is, of course, tickled to death to see a shop coming together that can be used - with little interest for old tools he'll never use piled up everywhere. I've not so much as thought of taking anything home without getting past that generation first.....sadly I've not seen a bite on a single thing...wait, I take that back my dad snagged a Starrett micrometer set he could carry off in his hands. My uncle wanted two huge old jacks, drill press, and shop IR air compressor to stay. I need to haul stuff off on trailers.....only because I can't stand by and see this stuff wasted to a scrap yard or taken off by someone headed that way.
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Day 10 - As the day ended and I started my usual picture taking round my camera abruptly stated "Battery Exhausted"....so only a couple of pictures today. I can summarize the day with a simple "my 20' trailer can now sleep inside the locked shop at night with goodies that are coming home with me someday soon". I have some sense of accomplishment that I'm able to get it inside, and that I no longer need it for bulk 6-8k lb. scrap loads. Coming home are:
The drill press - Craftsman Commercial - unknown year/model There is a smaller drill press in the shop already, and I want to bring the big drill press back into the shop that was there when I was a child (a flat belt driven press from the 20s). I'm told the old press is on the property somewhere. I'm not sure where the switch-a-roo came from with the drill presses - but apparently somebody had some issue with the big one and threw it out the door for a Craftsman (it works right now) model. I need a larger drill press at home and the Craftsman is a good size It has had the shivs removed (although I found the originals) and some replacement shivs sitting on top of it (not installed). So I need to try to understand what the issue was with the original shivs and setup. I hate to change them to another size as there are clear RPM guidelines stamped on the side for the various shiv arrangements.
The Miller welding machine - There are three 220v welding machines in the shop; the Miller and two Lincolns. I've decided to take the Miller home because....well, frankly I was about ready to pull the trigger on a Miller spending nearly a grand.....so it's a great deal for me - except - I'm told the last known information was that the rectifier didn't work. At least one cable is missing. My plan is to take it to the local welding supply place and see if they can diagnose/service the thing. I have no idea what kind of money I might need to sink into it. I"m hoping they can give me an estimate for a nominal fee. Decision from there. I ashamed to say I just don't know my welding machines that well. I'm guessing there is no "exciting" a 220v as you would with a generator version - but I don't know.
The air compressor - It's an IR and it was installed on top of that custom build truck bed (previously pictured) on top of the late 70s Ford 1 ton. Somebody has made there way to remove the 9hp gasoline briggs (I found it in the corner of the shop). I suppose the plan was to install an electric motor as there is one there that makes sense with mounting plate and HP. I want the gasoline engine back on it - with hopes of someday having it on that bed again with the old Lincoln welder beside it, and bottles for the torch, with THE BED ON THE TRUCK.....as it should be dang-it. Why somebody raped the truck by taking the bed off - stripping the equipment - tearing it apart - throw it in the mud - let the tool trays sit with a $1200 socket set bathed in water and rust.......it would be very easy to get frustrated with this nonsense if I had "skin in the game". I'm certain my Papaw has been rolling in his grave.
The Craftsman Commercial metal bandsaw. The bottom line is nobody in the family wants the thing and my uncle is being insistent on it being out of the shop.....so it comes home with me. It's a nice and heavy old belt driven bandsaw on a homemade angle iron stand. I'm told the belt likes to jump. I'm guessing I can fix that issue pretty easily.
A small tubby of vinegar might save a lot of wire brushing, especially with the sockets. Just don't forget to take them out after a few days. About six months ago, someone posted a glass bread pan that was forgotten for weeks with a tool in it. It looked like one of those science experiments that are sometimes found in the back of the refrigerator.
I've been putting off "going to town" for several days now knowing I need large quantity of vinegar. I just love living in the country where I need to make a special $25 in gasoline trip for $8 in vinegar.
I'm enjoying the progress reports and looks like you are making good progress.
Thanks, Fins/413. It takes a good bit of effort to photograph and document daily (when I'm already exhausted) and it's nice to hear you're enjoying it.....makes it all worth while.
I love the pictures as well. Its very nice to see them, thanks for sharing.
The drill press seams to be a good one.
Three welders dang, ime jelous. Never used a lincon only millers an a esab along with one hobart. All we have at work is Miller.
Thats just crazy, throwing fine tools out in the mud. How dare someone do such a thing!
The older bandsaws are great, ive used new and old. I prefer the old ones.
I think I would rather live in the country an drive for the vinigar then live in the suburbs an have to deal with everyone so close.
With all that said I love your project, thanks for keeping us updated.
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I've been reading your progress reports. It's a lot of fun keep em' coming!
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Day 11 - I started the day with a trip to town for some supplies so I could start on the tool cleaning process. I bought all 8 gallons of vinegar in this town - lol. I started my work at the shop with getting a tub together and piling a bunch of sockets and wrenches inside and filling with vinegar. The idea of having tools come off anytime soon had me nervous about the parts washing vat outside, so I decided to try and get it going. I spent a lot of time cleaning on it. I now have a nice clean parts vat with a burner underneath that I cleaned the jets on. I need to take a bottle of propane over tomorrow as there is no gas service there currently. We'll see if it works but not to many burners I've not been able to get going again.
I decided today it was time to start tearing out the interior wall structure in the corner where the "tool room" was. I was able to get the shelving off the walls, and the metal torn down off the walls. That effort quickly turned my afternoon into moving another dozen wheel barrow loads of pipe fittings that were laying on the floor in that room. I did unearth a drill bit still attached to a short piece of 8" drill stem, another nice looking homemade wrench, what looks to be a hand cultivator?, and several other "goodies" along the way (see pics).
I got the binders and chains and hooks and such up off the floor and got them hanging out of the way for now. It was interesting to see the binders one by one rather than in a huge pile. I would say 50% + were Lebus - other's Stacy, Durbin?, and McK?????. They all need the same cleaning as above.
I had the trailer inside because of the rain today and had walked up on it to load something. While I was on the trailer I noticed - why, it sure is close to the loft area - I wonder what I will see. That peak turned into dragging the ladder down and making a climb. That climb was very rewarding with a McCullough chain saw, McCullough auger, gas fired heater NOS, a couple of tool boxes stashed, those hand made hoop nets I've been wondering about, and an old two man saw I'd seen from below.
Pictures taken today may be found via the following link: http://www.photobucket.com/oilyshopday11
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Those giant pipe wrenches are something, and here I felt good about having one old 36inch iron pipe wrench. Want to comment on the pics, the McCulloch chain saw, have one just like it, or next model. No plastic on that one, one of the stronger saws I ever took to the timber. Photo #37 that pile of iron tires from wood wheels, they are just that, Iron, not steel, and iron is beautiful to blacksmith with. 38, looks like a Hit-n-miss gas engine? 43 is an antique tire spreader for tire repair I do believe. 53, with the ring and pinion sets is a clutch setup for a stationary engine, and the box looks like it may be the transfer case from an early army Deuce ana half, with two outputs with brake drums? 54, the Buda engine is concealing part of the frame of a large hand crank drill press, laying behind it. I don't know about you but my head would be swimming finding all these goodies. Congratulations on the energy to have done so much so quickly.
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Found a similar Crane fitting with swastika on site with photos. He was guessing 1920's vintage.
Time to get those hoop nets in the water. I too am enjoying your photo trip. I'm thinking of warning vinegar producers to consider a second shift, or maybe I'll buy some stock in a vinegar producing corp.
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Those giant pipe wrenches are something, and here I felt good about having one old 36inch iron pipe wrench. Want to comment on the pics, the McCulloch chain saw, have one just like it, or next model. No plastic on that one, one of the stronger saws I ever took to the timber. Photo #37 that pile of iron tires from wood wheels, they are just that, Iron, not steel, and iron is beautiful to blacksmith with. 38, looks like a Hit-n-miss gas engine? 43 is an antique tire spreader for tire repair I do believe. 53, with the ring and pinion sets is a clutch setup for a stationary engine, and the box looks like it may be the transfer case from an early army Deuce ana half, with two outputs with brake drums? 54, the Buda engine is concealing part of the frame of a large hand crank drill press, laying behind it. I don't know about you but my head would be swimming finding all these goodies. Congratulations on the energy to have done so much so quickly.
My dad apparently knew how good that McCullough is because he had, and still has, one just like it. I grew up using it......a heck of a beast to ever get started but runs and cuts like no other once going. I'm hoping I can talk my way out of this one to take home. Picture 43 a tire spreader - I would have guessed something along the lines of pipe threading.
O my I believe you've spotted the old drill press I've been wanting to find. I didn't see it until now and NOW I"m super excited to get back over there tomorrow and check it out.
YES - very dizzy - this is nearly 3 weeks of head spinning over "things" all around. A lot of things I was near and dear to as a child - and many things I just didn't get exposed to and don't have a clue on. Sadly the problem is that there are not facilities to properly store it all.
Thanks for all the help, John. I'll take all the comments I can get.
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Found a similar Crane fitting with swastika on site with photos. He was guessing 1920's vintage.
Time to get those hoop nets in the water. I too am enjoying your photo trip. I'm thinking of warning vinegar producers to consider a second shift, or maybe I'll buy some stock in a vinegar producing corp.
Talk about memories - Let me get my dad and my uncle back to the river with those hoop nets and we'll have a blast (and do a lot of work). My uncle still has my g'pas old camp on a bluff at the river though it's not the same it doesn't seem..............but I would love to see hundreds of pounds of Buffalo come out of that river again.
Thanks for the note on the fitting.
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Day 12 - Those "cull" wrenches had been sitting in vinegar since Friday so I decided to start the day with checking on them. The first thing I noticed was this huge head of foam on the vinegar bath. I thought that was strange and didn't understand it but moved on to getting them out. I washed them down with a pressure washer and placed them into the parts cleaner outside. Filled it with soapy water and started a fire letting bringing them to a boil and letting them stay there for about 20 minutes. I removed them from the hot water and rinsed them through a vat of NOS motor oil that was found laying all around the shop. It's not the ideal solution but it was there in bulk, it was free, and it worked well to stop flash rusting. I think having a basket to lower the wrenches into oil, let them soak, and then lifting them suspended to drain was key to 10w working well. What I found in the end was a large percentage of those wrenches hand stamped "macmillan", as in Macmillan Oil company. Back in their day they had a small refinery nearby that has since been torn down for scrap. My uncle worked there (60s?) and bought a wrench lot at auction. They are a mix of large and early Williams, Herbrand, and Fairbanks wrenches.
The tool room is now clear and clean and awaiting a cutting torch to remove the angle iron bracing that was used for the wall. That area being as close to a door as it is had me with a water hose in my hand washing down. I was also able to get the workbench between the bay doors cleaned and washed down also. That put me EOD with about 25% of the shop being washed down.......and a light in sight for at least half being washed down by EOD tomorrow. I'm starting to feel like real progress is being made and not just wasted days stumbling over things and shuffling them around.
I did paint the come-along set I picked out for myself and de-rusted. I'm excited to put new cable on it tomorrow and finally have a nice set of cast 2 ton pullers. I also received my TWENTY-FIVE hickory hammer handles in the mail today. In my spare time I want to put a few hammers back together.
No pictures today as I was trying to outrun the weather getting home.
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Sounds like all is going well.
How big is your parts washing tank, ime curious? Is it that big tank we saw out back?
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Day 13 - My plans to have 50% of the floor space washed down were washed down all right (the toilet). The rains yesterday again flooded the front area so I decided I would spend time trying to grade that area so it would drain better. I did spend a couple hours working on it before it again came an afternoon flood. The good news is that I believe the 4" of cow manure on top of the drive have been removed. The bad news is that I still have a pond to deal with when it rains. This afternoon's rain gave me a much better idea of where the issues remain
Inside the shop I was able to gain a couple hours of my uncle's attention. This is the first I've seen of him in a couple of weeks, and the first he's seen of the progress and a large majority of findings. We were able to get through the "unknown" tote with only ONE unknown remaining. I had no idea that he, like my dad, has some much working knowledge handed down from his father.
We were also able to play "keep here, keep out, or junk" with the bench area I had lined with things were I didn't feel good making a decision alone.
All and all it was just another day of progress I struggle to measure as I write. Pictures taken today may be found via the following link. http://www.photobucket.com/oilyshopday13
How big is your parts washing tank, ime curious? Is it that big tank we saw out back?
30" x 30" x30" - It's the smaller of the two and the one that had been used for years. It currently resides between the bay doors on the front slab in the basin area (that doesn't drain).
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Day 14 - I took the day today and walked around making it a point to look for "hand tools" that were outside the shop but that belong inside. I walked from old work truck to old winch truck to tractor boxes and school buses. I found nearly a long wheel base truck load of tools that I hauled back to the shop. I was pleased to find two 48", two 36", and three 24" ridgid pipe wrenches. I ran across the ford 3600 trencher - That tractor was practically new when things shut down and it was nice to see that. Found a pretty beat up Wilton mounted on a truck bed, an old Fairbanks Morse rod pump, lots of specialty wrenches 2" and larger (including a 3" lufkin wrench), a Fordson adjustable in the dirt, Sears/Roebuck water well head?, a small strangely made machinist vise?, a snap-on 1/2" ratty, OTC and Proto pebble pullers, Ridgid pipe vise, and on and on and on - like I said a truck load of tools to pile into the shop and sort through.
Pictures taken today may be viewed via the following link: http://www.photobucket.com/oilyshopday14
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Oily, if you clean and hang them all, you can probably make the Guiness Book with your pipe wrench collection.
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Oily, if you clean and hang them all, you can probably make the Guiness Book with your pipe wrench collection.
lol - Yesterday I counted a total of seven 48" Ridgid pipe wrenches now hanging on the wall. I'm still trying to figure out if I'd ever use ONE. I'd really rather not pick the heavy things up.
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Wow It must have been a busy business to have all that stuff. Some of those plants outside looked like poison ivy, roundup time
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Yesterday I counted a total of 22 grease guns found in the shop. Here is a Lincoln "Lubrigun" found and freshened up to be a keepsake.
Wow It must have been a busy business to have all that stuff. Some of those plants outside looked like poison ivy, roundup time
I don't guess Poison Ivy or Poison Oak have ever bothered me at all (knocking on wood). I've been told if you never smell the burning of them that you'll not be allergic (my mamaw said that).
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I don't guess Poison Ivy or Poison Oak have ever bothered me at all (knocking on wood). I've been told if you never smell the burning of them that you'll not be allergic (my mamaw said that).
Immunity to poison oak/ivy may not be permanent, so take some precautions and be grateful when mistakes happen. It seems that repeated exposure can reduce the immunity, at least in some cases. I've been immune so far -- I've even been rolled in the stuff -- but I don't take chances if I can avoid contact.
Smoke sure took away the immunity a friend of mine had -- a lot of smoke. It got into his lungs. A nightmare experience.
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Day 15 - I had to force myself back to the "grind stone"; the effort of cleaning and sorting through remaining piles in the shop. It was just another day of sorting out normal household trash, piping supplies to be removed, and scrap. All of the trash and scrap has finally been gone through and I'm down to just a couple of areas that still need tools, supplies, and such further sorted and organized. I'd like to think if I push hard enough I can be done mid next week with sorting through things, throwing things out, and ready to tackle some organization of what will remain in the shop.
A view of the shop as it stood end of day today
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There was a wood tool box that I had found weeks ago up high on top of the shelving and set down to look at later. Today I emptied it out on a clean table and sorted through it. I found a Sunnen hone and support bodies, multiple stone sets, instructions for each set, and nice metal case. I wasn't able to spend a great deal of time on it but the little reading I did in the instructions stated up to a 21" hone. There are some very large hone stones there but I did little more than get it all wiped down and placed a little more orderly in the original box.
(http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p534/alphinde/Oily%20Shop%20Project/Day%2015%20-%20Friday%20April%206/CIMG2478.jpg)
(http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p534/alphinde/Oily%20Shop%20Project/Day%2015%20-%20Friday%20April%206/CIMG2479.jpg)
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I suppose this is the result of either necessity or boredom. I'm doubting the latter.
(http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p534/alphinde/Oily%20Shop%20Project/Day%2015%20-%20Friday%20April%206/CIMG2476.jpg)
A fresh look for a couple of prybars
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I'd love to hear if anybody knows what this is. Maybe I'm not being simple minded enough and it's just a prybar, but it sure has the characteristics of more than just a simple pry.
(http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p534/alphinde/Oily%20Shop%20Project/Day%2015%20-%20Friday%20April%206/CIMG2442.jpg)
I'm also have not been able to identify the purpose of this - my best guess is saw tooth setter for that big sawmill
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Another tool below that I came across today that I'm struggling with. It appears as if it would "lock" something in place (a rod?)
(http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p534/alphinde/Oily%20Shop%20Project/Day%2015%20-%20Friday%20April%206/CIMG2436.jpg)
I found the spigot below today made of brass
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This is one mean looking puller
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If you would like to view the full album of all pictures taken today they may be found via the following link: http://www.photobucket.com/oilyshopday15
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finished next week?? then may i suggest that you put everything back and start again..we are all enjoying it toooooo much for you to finish
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Blue Point wheel puller (from axle) patent 2005534 issued 1935
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Mystery tool is a Can Opener Pat 1932
http://www.google.com/patents/US2000962?printsec=drawing&dq=2000962&ei=RTmAT5nFNurl0QHrxtmQCA#v=onepage&q=2000962&f=false (http://www.google.com/patents/US2000962?printsec=drawing&dq=2000962&ei=RTmAT5nFNurl0QHrxtmQCA#v=onepage&q=2000962&f=false)
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I have even got my wife hooked on this thread. Go Oily!!! We are rooting for ya. But .... have you caught a glimpse of the finish line yet? Is there one? Ha!
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I have even got my wife hooked on this thread. Go Oily!!! We are rooting for ya. But .... have you caught a glimpse of the finish line yet? Is there one? Ha!
You have no idea how hard it is for me not to be dragging stuff INTO the shop to work on. YES, I'll find a finish line soon that lets me drag stuff in :)
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Don't set any saw teeth with that strange looking thing;according to the patent its for opening jars. I see a Papaw's wrench hat in the background of one of your photos; didn't know those caps were available way back when. I am enjoying your adventure,sure is nice to sit back and let you do the work. Of course you also get the thrill of discovering all these goodies.
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I think he stuck that hat in to dig at me. I forgot that I had sent him one some time ago!
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I was able to spend a few hours in the shop yesterday and a few hours again today working to tear out the 12' of shelves that were used to store parts.
This:
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Is now THIS:
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After I had the shelving removed I started the nasty job of cleaning up the stuff that had fallen in the 6" of space between it and the outside wall - a nice 60 something years of crap falling behind the shelves. During the cleanup I found this cell tester:
(http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p534/alphinde/Oily%20Shop%20Project/CIMG2488.jpg)
and this pair of welding shields?
(http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p534/alphinde/Oily%20Shop%20Project/CIMG2507.jpg)
and another one of these - only this set has a chain attached to the end. I'm still trying to figure out what they are.
(http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p534/alphinde/Oily%20Shop%20Project/CIMG2490.jpg)
I found this very strange pair of pliers? having a 90 degree head that functioned very well after a little oiling.
(http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p534/alphinde/Oily%20Shop%20Project/CIMG2492.jpg)
The "go home pile" on the trailer grows
(http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p534/alphinde/Oily%20Shop%20Project/CIMG2505.jpg)
Lastly a view of the shop at end of day.
(http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p534/alphinde/Oily%20Shop%20Project/CIMG2500.jpg)
If you'd like to view all pictures taken today you may via the following link: http://www.photobucket.com/theoilyshop
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The Champion air compressor on the tank is a keeper guy :)
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The pliers look like hog-ring pliers to me.
I believe you are correct, and that would make perfect sense as a tool around given he raised hogs in the wild all his life.
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Hog ring pliers for sure, but offset like that, would be nice for doing upholstery, clipping stays into the frame at odd angles. The cell tester, was great for when batteries had connector plates on top the case, one of these days I'm going to find one in my price range. What was that orange radiator attached to? Can see another whole wall now, great! Ever estimate how many tons of iron you're hauling out, or just moving? Good going.
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That radiator is to a rather large Onan generator that is torn down to 1000 pcs. - I'm assuming being rebuilt as I found bent connecting rod and mushroom looking piston and new replacement connecting rod and piston.
About 8 tons of sure enough scrap iron. I have no idea how many tons of good iron in iron stock, pipe, and pipe fittings I've moved to that storage van. That doesn't speak to who knows how many tons moved with tractor in engines, block/tackle, and power swivels, and power tongs. Nor does it include the tons of Continental engines/parts being donated to a worthy cause.....or the 600 ft. of 1" steel solid core cable just laying on spools on the front slab. It has been a heavy lifting project.
I cleaned up the iron rack outside the bay doors today and organized the stock I'd found and collected together. It looks great and has a good selection of stock to work with now....and the slab in front of the bay doors has finally been cleared end-to-end.
If only that basin in the front slab were draining. I need some steam or really hot water in good volume. I'm certain it's old mucky oil filled drain pipe. The slab drains well with the current grade but in the middle it was decided to make that sloped with a basin so he could drain his parts washer out of the area and not have everything wet. I have no idea where the drain goes/went.
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Any updates?
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The morning was about trying to sort, test, decision the pile of power and pneumatic tools found over the course of cleaning.
some of the air tools
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I really like this impact
(http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p534/alphinde/Oily%20Shop%20Project/CIMG2521.jpg)
But I'm also rather fond of this Rockwell
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A very strange "saws all" attachment for a drill?
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After noon I managed to make a mess of all the cleaning work by making a climb up top. It was a nasty job creating even more headache but it needed to be done. Coming down with some limited amount of usable 1x8 pine tongue/groove got me inspired to start thinking about restoring that shop fan my papaw had put together. He had used the very same wood cut on his mill, planed and molded in the shop, inside his house he built. Left-over wood from the house project had not only been used to build the case for that fan, but had been stored (very poorly for such a duration) up top in the shop.
This is the fan I'd like to restore
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Part of the mess I made coming down with wood
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I was also able to clear off the sheet of plywood laying across the pumping unit base - exposing the base which I hope to move tomorrow.
(http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p534/alphinde/Oily%20Shop%20Project/CIMG2537.jpg)
Moving the ply also exposed for a much better view this triplex pump
(http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p534/alphinde/Oily%20Shop%20Project/CIMG2538.jpg)
I found these three gears each made of solid brass, and each weighing well over 150 lbs.
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and a forth huge brass Continental gear found, but this one isn't in such great shape.
(http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p534/alphinde/Oily%20Shop%20Project/CIMG2546.jpg)
I still have a lot of progress to make tomorrow with getting that old wood down from above.
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Forgot to include a picture of the Old Timer Honesteel that I found early on in the shop. I've done little with it other than wipe it down good. This belonged to my mother's father who often worked for my father's father.
(http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p534/alphinde/Oily%20Shop%20Project/CIMG2566.jpg)
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WOW, what a project. This has got to be an amazing journey for you. I will follow it with great anticipation. Thanks for sharing.
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I was able to finish removing the wood (and other debris) that was racked up top - well at least I removed wood to the extend I wanted it down. There is a planked (4x12s) area I will leave for storage....but the stored wood is down. There was more wood up top than I thought. I had forgotten about a kitchen fire in the house at some point in my early years where it had to be rebuilt/fixed. It seems some of the char'd wood torn out from the fire was stored up top. I also found 2x6xrandom bead board, 2x6xrandom finish planed t/g, and a couple 2x12x16 (store bought) that have some great grain and will be used for certain.
This is the mess I had after bringing down all the wood that was stored.
(http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p534/alphinde/Oily%20Shop%20Project/CIMG2571.jpg)
Part of an old sign stored up top:
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It looks so much better up top, and ready for some lathing after I unbolt some of the angle iron and turn it around.
(http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p534/alphinde/Oily%20Shop%20Project/CIMG2572.jpg)
This is what I was able to save
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And those 2x12x16
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and the rest - they ended their life and will rest where they started - in the dirt of that property. It's really an unusual life-cycle for a piece of wood these days; to grow as a tree on the property, cut down by hand by the owner, milled in the back yard (still there), planed in the shop, house built by hand with it, torn down later because of fire in house, saved "just in case" for 35+ years, and burned to the ground out front by a grandson reaching for some order. I'm never proud to burn old wood - and don't unless it just doesn't make sense to keep it (less than 36" usable went)....but in this case it felt good to my soul to be a part of it. It will feel better to make use of that wood I saved :)
(http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p534/alphinde/Oily%20Shop%20Project/CIMG2578.jpg)
I was able to get that pumping unit base moved
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I've searched for this tool from the day I started the project. I had given up hope that it would be found, but wouldn't you know I found it today in the very last underneath the counter corner way back in the back kinda thing. I am very happy to have found it. I'll let you tell me what it was used for.
(http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p534/alphinde/Oily%20Shop%20Project/CIMG2581.jpg)
A view of the shop at end of day
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and a final picture - a view by the gate as I was locking up.
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Are you done then? That pump base would be the start of a dandy welding table. Those brass gears, WOW, it would be so tempting to mock up something to let the shaft and gear with the herring bone teeth rotate, cannot imagine pricing metal pieces like those today. You're probably ready for a vacation after all this. Okay, you got me on the tool you finally found, Whatzit?
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I don't have much to report, or show, for today as it was consumed with pressure washing inside. I suspect the next several days will hold the same fate. I did find this strange, really hard white-ish surface, under a layer of film and a second layer of goo'y muck.
As has been said about holding a tool in your hand - I had to think each of those nicks in the concrete, each of those oily spots, each spills of babbit, have a story to tell.
Are you done then? That pump base would be the start of a dandy welding table. Those brass gears, WOW, it would be so tempting to mock up something to let the shaft and gear with the herring bone teeth rotate, cannot imagine pricing metal pieces like those today. You're probably ready for a vacation after all this. Okay, you got me on the tool you finally found, Whatzit?
John - The notion of being done is far out of reach at present. I've just got to where I know what is there, the trash and things that don't belong out, and started on a cleaning path. I still have inventory, organization, and basic repairs to the building.
Agreed on the pump base, as a matter of fact it was only in there as a work table. I've been on vacation since late Oct 2006. I'm enjoying myself, and hopefully past some of the worst parts of this project - although I have admittedly avoided that bathroom insofar.
Maybe another view of that tool will help. If not, I'll provide the "giveaway" picture. You need to at least guess before I just tell you.
(http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p534/alphinde/Oily%20Shop%20Project/CIMG2582.jpg)
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Derek, I could not view all of your past pictures because I dont travel to websites such as flicker or some of those other picture storing sites but I am looking for a new compressor motor. The one on the top of my tank is just worn out, I need one that is belt driven as I believe this type will give me a much better air supply.
If you or anyone knows of one I would be interested
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Derek, I could not view all of your past pictures because I dont travel to websites such as flicker or some of those other picture storing sites but I am looking for a new compressor motor. The one on the top of my tank is just worn out, I need one that is belt driven as I believe this type will give me a much better air supply.
If you or anyone knows of one I would be interested
I'm in a bit of the same boat myself, but found a 9hp briggs in unknown condition I'm hopeful I'll use for myself. Are you looking for an electric or gasoline driver? What hp rating?
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Hey Oily, Looks to me like your just teasing us with 1/2 of the picture,as I see it now it appears that it may be part of a cinch of some kind,it looks a lot like a handle on some kind of device that would clamp or pull something together. That's about all I can come up with
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Is a special use tool for a specific job - not an ordinary handle or lever. Showing the better view is a bit of a giveaway.
(http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p534/alphinde/Oily%20Shop%20Project/CIMG2580.jpg)
(http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p534/alphinde/Oily%20Shop%20Project/CIMG2581.jpg)
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Derek, I could not view all of your past pictures because I dont travel to websites such as flicker or some of those other picture storing sites but I am looking for a new compressor motor. The one on the top of my tank is just worn out, I need one that is belt driven as I believe this type will give me a much better air supply.
If you or anyone knows of one I would be interested
I'm in a bit of the same boat myself, but found a 9hp briggs in unknown condition I'm hopeful I'll use for myself. Are you looking for an electric or gasoline driver? What hp rating?
Electric, bigger the better, thanks
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Handle for a chain binder?
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Used as a wire winder? You got me, I can honestly say I have never seen one. But then, I don't get out much.
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Didn't Hoe make print presses and supplies?. Also self adjusting wrenches.
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Work downstream of a forest, YES....but this one's not for the printing presses. Maybe this view will help.
(http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p534/alphinde/Oily%20Shop%20Project/Day%203%20-%20Friday%20March%2016/DSCN3508.jpg)
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Since you showed us a sawmill and Hoe did make saw tools; I assume its a saw tool but still don't know what it did.
Reading a book on sawmilling and saw mills in northwest but haven't seen this tool.
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My second guess, On head rigs similar to what you showed us,after a slab was cut off and the carrige returns to the infeed posistion the operator pulled on a handle that moved the log out in preparation for the next cut.I have no idea what the proper name is for the handle but they did look a lot like what your showing us.
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Oily I can't believe the progress its looking fantastic. I bet that old wood had a bit of dust on it. I suspect that fan will help on those hot Texas summer days. I like the photo of honeysuckle and wild strawberries too.
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Do you have any planes for the sawmill, those things alaways amaze me.
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Since my last update I've been able to finish power washing the building and the slab. The place looks so much different not having all the dirt and debris everywhere.....not that it is organized. Having a few things washed down led me down the path of trying to freshen a few things up before I started putting things up. I started with one of two workbenches (24" deep, 24' long). They were made of angle-iron in framing with 2x12 white pine for the work top and shelves. They have stood the test of abuse, heavy vise, bench grinders, crude oil, some weather, and time very well. It is the first time I've started a wood project by sanding with a wire brush (it worked), then 40 grit, then 60, blah blah. I have two coats of spar-urethane sealer on at this point and the iron framing painted gloss black.
The Ridgid No. 25 pipe vise mounted on the iron table got a cleaning, new jaws, and fresh paint. I plan to paint the iron work-table tomorrow.
I've also started down the path of some iron work repairs at the slab level, and painting of iron work through-out to give it some protection.
Today I lucked upon 9 used, but very good condition, fluorescent light fixtures (for free) that I can install. The lighting is a real problem right now. I may try to focus those 9 above the workbench areas.
I might finally have a buyer for that 5.9 cummins and allison tranny sitting on the floor....crossing fingers it moves soon.
I know without pictures it didn't happen - but without a camera pictures can't happen. Mine took a hit several days ago while I was trying to lockup with to much stuff in my hands. My wife has offered hers, but I'm scared to death I'll break it just on the heals of her traveling back home.
I'm starting to rather like the notion of having a place to go and do my work - away from home with clear separation of personal time.
Since you showed us a sawmill and Hoe did make saw tools; I assume its a saw tool but still don't know what it did.
Reading a book on sawmilling and saw mills in northwest but haven't seen this tool.
The Hoe tool is used to insert and remove the teeth on the blade of the sawmill. It has removeable/replaceable inserts. I hope to get up the hill soon with both teeth and tool in hand and take some photo's to demonstrate.
Do you have any planes for the sawmill, those things alaways amaze me.
I'm not aware of any planes for it, and I have no plans. I already have a bandsaw mill that'll handle a 16' log....no need for another - My dad, who would know, tells me that mill is extremely dangerous as-is - likes to throw a log around, particularly up, with no real protections.
Oily I can't believe the progress its looking fantastic. I bet that old wood had a bit of dust on it. I suspect that fan will help on those hot Texas summer days. I like the photo of honeysuckle and wild strawberries too.
Thanks! Yes, taking that old wood down provided for several days of sinus issues. Only one fan currently operational. I need to hurry and get another going before it gets hot.....although I've finding with the windows unblocked and open a nice breeze will flow through the building.
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I could not find the Hoe tool. This is the EC Atkins version from an 1894 catalog. It is the same idea, just a different maker.
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OOPs sorry Oily I meant Plans, not planes.
Yeh it does look dangerous.
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Awesome post. I really enjoyed reading this and I commend you, sir, for this labor of love. I wish you well with your endeavors and look forward to seeing future updates.
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I have another, not discussed here, project at home so I only had a few hours to spend at the shop today. I was able to knock out dressing up the stove with some high-temp paint. An interesting thing I just noticed when painting it today; the exhaust vent pipe is 10" schedule 160 with welded joints. I think I've now learned where my "overkill" tenancy comes from. I also finished with the 6x6 iron work table, and got the dressed up pipe vise back on it.......and I'm a little further along with iron repairs and getting the iron work painted.
No shop work tomorrow for slab being poured at home. I promise to have some pictures of the progress soon.
Is anybody able to tell me the year model of this truck?
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I could not find the Hoe tool. This is the EC Atkins version from an 1894 catalog. It is the same idea, just a different maker.
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Thanks so much for that catalog reference and picture. That may just help me find the other tools.
OOPs sorry Oily I meant Plans, not planes.
Yeh it does look dangerous.
I personally find my 10" table saw dangerous, and big, enough a circular saw for me.
Awesome post. I really enjoyed reading this and I commend you, sir, for this labor of love. I wish you well with your endeavors and look forward to seeing future updates.
I appreciate your comments, Papa Tango. I keep saying I'm having fun, and I keep getting asked "How can that be fun?".
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1965, either got a six, or a 390. If it cranks over, one could probably get it running. Sure would make a good looking flatbed, headache rack, tool boxes!
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1965, either got a six, or a 390. If it cranks over, one could probably get it running. Sure would make a good looking flatbed, headache rack, tool boxes!
It's certainly no six - I'm going with 460 but you may be right in 390.
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Sure WILL make a good looking flatbed, headache rack, winch, and poles :) - suitable bed found here:
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A ready made flat bed, neat, plus a winch and boom. Now that cab looks sorta like the first one you posted, did somebody cut that one in two to make a trailer? I don't think you'll be in a hurt for spare parts, spares you got! Is that winch PTO driven? If so, is that a hydraulic controller sitting on the bed?
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Great looking truck and Id take a 390 over a 460 any day of the week
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A little moe info on Hoe.
http://www.wkfinetools.com/hus-saws/Hoe%26co/rHoeCo-index.asp (http://www.wkfinetools.com/hus-saws/Hoe%26co/rHoeCo-index.asp)
They are still in business as; Pacific Hoe Saw & Knife Co - (503) 234-3834
8228 SE 26Th Pl, Portland, OR 97202. I don't think that they have a website.
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A ready made flat bed, neat, plus a winch and boom. Now that cab looks sorta like the first one you posted, did somebody cut that one in two to make a trailer? I don't think you'll be in a hurt for spare parts, spares you got! Is that winch PTO driven? If so, is that a hydraulic controller sitting on the bed?
I don't think they cut it in two - I think somebody, at some point, was on a piece of heavy equipment and decided to move it the "I don't give a crap" method.
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I did not keen in on the cab being close to the other. I'll go have a better look tomorrow. I'm not certain, but I think that bed may have been on the 1965 truck at one point. I was born 7 years AFTER it would have been bought new, so I'm not sure if I remember correctly or not. I will inquire as to the history of the truck when I'm able.
I do believe you're correct that is a PTO on the bed. As I remember nearly every transmission my papaw would come by had a way to bolt a PTO to it - sometimes two were bolted up. He was going to have a PTO winch on every personal truck he had. Three things happened when he got a new truck each January. 1) convert it to LP, 2) rig out with PTO winch and his bush guard, and 3) give year old truck to field hands to trash. I moved all the PTO's into an old school bus when I was cleaning the shop (crapping NONE) - the floor is about a 1/4 full lined with PTOs.
A little moe info on Hoe.
http://www.wkfinetools.com/hus-saws/Hoe%26co/rHoeCo-index.asp (http://www.wkfinetools.com/hus-saws/Hoe%26co/rHoeCo-index.asp)
They are still in business as; Pacific Hoe Saw & Knife Co - (503) 234-3834
8228 SE 26Th Pl, Portland, OR 97202. I don't think that they have a website.
Thank you, again!
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I like that folding boom, not as great as a little swivel crane, but a lot of us could still put it to use. That cage around the winch now, I see another case of your families tpical overkill! How did the slab pour go? And, did you eat the strawberries?
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I like that folding boom, not as great as a little swivel crane, but a lot of us could still put it to use. That cage around the winch now, I see another case of your families tpical overkill! How did the slab pour go? And, did you eat the strawberries?
My dad keeps talking about those little swivel cranes too, but it sure seems like you'd need some sort of outrigger or extremely long boom to get it over the axle. I've heard a nasty story about a line breaking on a winch truck, and I think they were concerned after that. My dad says he was witness to a cab's sheet metal cut in half.
The concrete was poured at 7:30 this morning - somebody?? cut things so close it was 1/4 yrd shy on the last truck - delayed things a little - rain started after noon, but it is covered now and I think I'm OK. Yes, we like strawberries and have 60 plants in the ground. It's like english green peas - that's about enough plants to have a bowl once every few weeks :)
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I am looking for a PTO to fit 1929-1947 Ford and will buy one if you have it.
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I am looking for a PTO to fit 1929-1947 Ford and will buy one if you have it.
Send me a PM with any details you can offer that may help me identify one you need, and I'll have a look for you.
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I took the first half of the day and wondered outside the shop collecting tools (and such) again. My plan was to drive over and pickup a couple of O2 bottles I had spotted, but that quickly turned into loading tools from the grounds and around. I think I found 6 very early set of pipe cutters in various sizes, and two early threaders.
I'm assuming this is a bench mount hand drill that I've found.
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This small pipe vise
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This bottle jack
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One of those two pairs of threaders found
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A level I've not decided yet if its been cut short
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Ease out?
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This is what I had planned for the day before I was derailed with rusty finds on the property
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A view of the stove and workbench after their scrubbing.
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I could stand some help figuring out the purpose of this
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I want to say this guy is old, but I don't know what it might be. I'm guessing farm animal tools of some sort.
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Again - my guess is old but not a clue as to what it may be a part of - I'd guess some strapping on a horse or mule harness.
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There are supposed to be T-shaped jaws in this Columbian 605 vise - I suspect it was used in the absense of the jaw and the upper support was sheared off. It has a date with the machine shop next Monday.
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A view of the West side of the shop with the tool room completely gone.
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I found this little guy today - it may well be the smallest tire tool looking thing I've seen
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Not found today - but I thought I'd snap a couple of pictures and share nonetheless. It is a stump puller by American Chain Co.
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Following are a few tools I had previously found outside the shop and had been working to clean up. First is a William 18" adjustable
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3 snappy's and a Williams S-52
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Unidentified pipe wrench
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Craftsman pipe wrench and a few brake tools
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Wood Chisel found today along with a few drill bits cleaned
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There is something very very different about the shaping on the handle of one of these Ridgid 24"
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A Williams 8914 2-3/8"
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A Herbrand Ford main bearing wrench
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I would appreciate comments, if you have them, on this wrench with no markings
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A pair of Craftsman shears
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Some more junk just throw on the ground
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I also found two pair of pipe tongs, one about 24" and the other closer to 60".
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You know you're making that stuff too pretty! I can't believe there was wood like that under 40 years of lube and dirt, quite a bench. First tool is bench mount for sure, but a drill? Like another pic of it, most of it looks like a hand crank grinder, but. The unknown hammer head, looks like an offset cutter/shaper for some unknown use, definitely blacksmith item. The farm animal tool is a plain old clevis, probably used on a horse drawn implement, but can assure that is blacksmith made. The odd shape to the Ridgid wrench I am going to say dates it probably 30 years older than the one next to it. The plain wrench, just an early open end, probably had a special purpose, and I have seen a blacksmith do that good of work, lots of early wrenches had no markings. All this work is showing it was worthwhile, even the old concrete floor looks great.
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A couple more views of the bench mount:
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>The farm animal tool is a plain old clevis, probably used on a horse drawn implement, but can assure that is blacksmith made.
Yup. Nicely blacksmith made, too.
The "old wood chisel" is also blacksmith made. I recognize the work on the socket. I haven't seen an American made socket like this, but it's about the only way sockets are made by the hills peoples of Laos. I have some chisels made this way, and knives, too. Interesting to see this one.
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I don't have a clue where my day went or what I accomplished other than taking some pictures.
It appears this is a banding ratchet with a built-in cutter.
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This is a rather large wrench I found yesterday during my expedition. I believe it to be marked "NSCO" - I'm guessing a custom wrench for an oil field engine.
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I really don't have a guess on this wrench outside a custom wrench for some piece of shop equipment. It was hanging via a wire on the wall.
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I'm very curious to figure out what these guys are used for. They appear to cut a hole via a nice slam of persuasion.
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I realize by admitting I don't know on so many things I'm exposing my shortcomings, but I don't know where else to start. Another where I don't know. I would say it is a cutter of some sort.
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I'd say this is an inside measurement device - although I've never used one.
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And a few other machinist tools found in drawers today:
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The "old wood chisel" is also blacksmith made. I recognize the work on the socket. I haven't seen an American made socket like this, but it's about the only way sockets are made by the hills peoples of Laos. I have some chisels made this way, and knives, too. Interesting to see this one.
Here is a couple more pictures of that chisel. I'm interested in reading about Laos when I have time. Would you care to take a stab at dating it and it's origin?
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You know you're making that stuff too pretty! I can't believe there was wood like that under 40 years of lube and dirt, quite a bench. First tool is bench mount for sure, but a drill? Like another pic of it, most of it looks like a hand crank grinder, but. The unknown hammer head, looks like an offset cutter/shaper for some unknown use, definitely blacksmith item. The farm animal tool is a plain old clevis, probably used on a horse drawn implement, but can assure that is blacksmith made. The odd shape to the Ridgid wrench I am going to say dates it probably 30 years older than the one next to it. The plain wrench, just an early open end, probably had a special purpose, and I have seen a blacksmith do that good of work, lots of early wrenches had no markings. All this work is showing it was worthwhile, even the old concrete floor looks great.
John, as always thanks for your comments. I posted a couple more pictures of the bench mount rotary tool - and I'll stop calling it a drill for now. If you don't have an immediate take on it I may place it in a thread for more help. I really don't have a clue what it might be outside a drill. It does appear there is a clutch, of sorts, engineered on the handle end.
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You have some very interesting finds pictured here lately, I'd be interested to know what that hand crank bench mount device is. The chisel is a cool find, hand made for sure and well done. Looks like it got a lot of use too. Those circular cutters are just that, we used them to cut the bolt hole in gaskets and to make leather and rubber washers.
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I am still thinking on the grinder device, it looks like a drive pin on the threaded end, plus a taper. The measuring devices in the red bag, are snap gauges, poor mans inside micrometer. Lower one into a hole/cylinder, loosen the handle, the spring loaded bar snaps out, rock it around to get minimum reading, tighten handle, lift out, and measure with an ordinary micrometer. A pricey tool when new, still useful in a machine shop setting. The double ended cutter is a special drill bit for making recessed screw or rivet holes, double ended so it can be switched when getting dull, think along the lines of a body mans double drill bit. The small pieces in the pics with the calipers, are attachments for a dial indicator, to find top dead center and out of round, again pricey when bought new. The long round items in the red tubes are of course reamers, for wrist pins, king pins, and probably a dozen things on oil well pumps back when brass bushings were more common than roller bearings. The blacksmith made chisel was probably made within 20 miles of right there, looked like an expedient made tool for a special purpose, ideally the wrap, around the missing handle should have been welded, was it?
OK, think I have it, on the hand crank grinder item. If you think of clamping it to a table or bench, the shaft points up, right? there is a drive pin thru the shaft, so something can sit down over the taper, locking it on better to spin. I have seen one similar recently in an antique shop. Essentially it is the spinner for a centrifuge. The missing part is a small frame work, cast, or made of steel rod, fits tightly over the shaft, locks on the pin, the part is about the size of a pie plate. On the outer edge of the "pie plate", are 3-4 or 6 cups, each the size of a baby bottle, when the crank is turned it starts spinning, like an amusement park ride. In the cups you pour fresh cows milk. Once it is spun for a little bit, the cream separates from the milk to the bottom of the cups. Unhook the cups, pour out the milk, then scoop out the cream, to get the percentage of butterfat in the milk. Why? because whole milk is bought and paid for on the percentage of butterfat/cream. The richer the better. Bigger dairies all had one, plus the farmers wife could get cream for her cooking right away. Why its in the shop? May somebody was adapting it to check crude oil percentages? Thats my take.
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all I can say is wow! like two lifetimes of garage sale finds.
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all I can say is wow! like two lifetimes of garage sale finds.
And two lifetimes of tornadoes at Fred Sanford's house that landed in the pasture :)
The blacksmith made chisel was probably made within 20 miles of right there, looked like an expedient made tool for a special purpose, ideally the wrap, around the missing handle should have been welded, was it?
I need to look closely at the chisel again to say for certain if there was weld on the wrap for the handle.
I think you're on to something with the diary centrifuge notion. I looked at a few online now and it could make sense. I did not find that particular tool in the shop, rather out laying about outside the shop in a pile with various farming attachments (I might add an old milk jug was sitting in the pile). I don't think they were getting fancy on a crude viscosity test. It makes sense that it be present if a dairy tool. My grandparents raised cattle and had a meat processing facility ("the meat house") - still there under growth. I very well remember the days of helping my grandmother milk the cows, but I don't recall having seen this in the house............and it wasn't found near the house. I don't think it's a meat grinder or I'd remember it as such. I spent nearly every Saturday as a young person working in or around the meat house.
I'll run it by my dad and see if it jogs his memory - maybe suggesting diary line of thinking if he coughs up on it. My dad is the oldest alive of 13 children and left the house early in life. It has been common to find things he wasn't aware of because they were brought in after he had left.
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All the old socket chisels were made this way, but the socket was closed off and the whole seam forge welded, but they didn't leave the bottom of the socket open as in your chisel. Sometimes the welds didn't hold well (I have an 1860s framing gouge in which the socket has burst along the weld).
The hills peoples of Laos (and other areas of SE Asia) don't , traditionally, make socket chisels, but use the sockets to accept the handles of their knives and adzes and other agricultural tools. The socket chisels that I have that were made by Hmong blacksmiths represent an attempt to apply their traditional sockets for the use of chisels. Theirs are only welded at a ring at the top of the socket. What reminds me of their sockets is the open
bottom. That leads me to think that the chisel was expediently made by hand forging. It ought to have been welded all along the seam.
There appears to be a stamp of some sort just below the opening at the bottom of the socket. Can you discern anything there?
Other than that, it looks like a framing, or maybe a firmer chisel. The socket is fairly thick at the bottom, an earlier style in factory made examples. More recent sockets are much more tapered, down to almost a half inch where the blade flares out on the one sitting on my desk.
So yours was smithed after the fashion of the 1800s rather than the 1900s. Whether this indicates age is impossible to say. The smith who made this may have used an earlier chisel as a model, or he may have thought a thicker handle was better, or maybe it was just less work to forge it thicker.
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I wouldn't say the seem on that chisel is welded so much as both sides butting with ever ever so slight overlap with very thin metal at the edges. No evidence of any metal seamed in. I believe the stamping reads "MOTTR"
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I wouldn't say the seem on that chisel is welded so much as both sides butting with ever ever so slight overlap with very thin metal at the edges. No evidence of any metal seamed in. I believe the stamping reads "MOTTR"
Curious mark. What I can see of it makes me suspect a pretty professional stamp was used. Then there should be more things lying around someplace that bear the same mark.
I wonder if there was an attempt at a weld that just didn't take, or if the smith forgot to weld it. Looks like he could have scarfed the edges but didn't complete the process. Can't tell much from the top of the socket since it is so deformed.
Eric Sloane had a drawing of an 18th Century gouge in his book, A Museum of Early American Tools that I remember as looking similar.
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I wouldn't say the seem on that chisel is welded so much as both sides butting with ever ever so slight overlap with very thin metal at the edges. No evidence of any metal seamed in. I believe the stamping reads "MOTTR"
Curious mark. What I can see of it makes me suspect a pretty professional stamp was used. Then there should be more things lying around someplace that bear the same mark.
I wonder if there was an attempt at a weld that just didn't take, or if the smith forgot to weld it. Looks like he could have scarfed the edges but didn't complete the process. Can't tell much from the top of the socket since it is so deformed.
Eric Sloane had a drawing of an 18th Century gouge in his book, A Museum of Early American Tools that I remember as looking similar.
Branson - Clearly you are well versed in this subject. I appreciate your comments. It could be there is/was a weld there, but my untrained eye isn't helping here. If it would make sense to you, I would be willing to bear the cost of sending this tool to you for your hands-on assistance.
Are there "tell tell" signs of a blacksmith made product that I should be more aware of .....that may assist me in honing in on those things blacksmith'd? I will tell you that I would NOT have eyed this as made by a blacksmith. I did note mentally the old clevis was blacksmith made, simply because of the look of the iron.
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>Branson - Clearly you are well versed in this subject. I appreciate your comments. It could be there is/was a weld there, but my untrained eye isn't helping here. If it would make sense to you, I would be willing to bear the cost of sending this tool to you for your hands-on assistance.
>Are there "tell tell" signs of a blacksmith made product that I should be more aware of .....that may assist me in honing in on those things blacksmith'd? I will tell you that I would NOT have eyed this as made by a blacksmith. I did note mentally the old clevis was blacksmith made, simply because of the look of the iron.
Oily, I'd be more than happy to check it out in person. But before we start shipping it around, let's look at it some more. First, why don't you de-rustify it a bit so we can see the metal. It's a pretty heavy chisel, and before the stock removal production of more modern chisels, one this heavy would have been made of iron with a thinner piece of steel forge welded on for the cutting edge.
The color of the two metals is fairly easy to see -- maybe an eighth of an inch thickness of steel on the bottom like the sole of a shoe, and the rest iron. It's a bit trickier way of doing things since Iron welds at a significantly different temperature than steel. The iron tends to be etched by rust and time, and would show something like wood grain because it's essentially fibrous, also. I have a pair of saddler's pliers that were intensely etched, and you can tell every step in their production since the grain moves with the hammer's blows. It will swirl around a punched hole, and spiral when it's wound around a pin. (That's why I kept those pliers! They're a book about how they were made.)
Rust removal might also reveal other marks that will tell more of its history.
I kinda think it was supposed to be welded. Looking at the peined over end, that looks like a tear, like the end of the tear held...
>Again - my guess is old but not a clue as to what it may be a part of - I'd guess some strapping on a horse or mule harness.
Tool wrench, probably for changing the blade on a table saw, and issued with the saw.
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It has been nearly a week since my last update so I thought I'd share my efforts since then. I've spent the better part of that time trying to get a Mack winch truck back in order. I remember it as a mid flight project where the truck was purchased, the bed built, the brownlight gear reducer was found (not installed), cables found (not installed), etc. Insofar I've been able to get the engine running, and establish the air brakes were locked/frozen at every wheel. I've been able to free all of them except one via the slop adjusters......but the remaining ONE seems it will go down fighting hard.......and I'm up for the challenge.
I now have a fridge and microwave in the shop. May not sound like a big deal, but for me it saves ICE money daily and puts me in a position for a descent lunch.
The idea of taking in the 8x50 slab just outside the back door is present. The current thinking is to make it an office area - free of oil, dust, tools, and with climate controlled. I need a place to put electronics, and a place to sit at a desk for the "business end" of my life, and place to cool off - summer is fast upon me in an all metal building.
The Columbian vise is in the machine shop now to square up that lower section and to cut an L-shaped jaw. I hope to have it back and in service by end of next week.
The Champion drill press is restored to the extent I'm able - but "On Hold" pending a decision on the degree of restoration with the driver. I'm still struggling with whether I should tackle trying to restore it to it's original state, or to place it in service within the shop with an electric driver and v-belt shiv. I would love to see it restored to original, but frankly I'm concerned with the cost/time associated with tackling that, and given I've never used a hand driven drill press I'm a bit concerned with usability over an electric driver. I welcome any feedback those of you with first hand experience, with hand driven drill presses, may lend.
I suspect I will spend the next few weeks between that winch truck, and a concrete pumper - getting them in proper order for use or sale. I'll check back in on this thread when I have something interesting to share that is relevant to the forum, as I don't want flood it with "off topic" winch truck and concrete pumper related posts.
Rust removal might also reveal other marks that will tell more of its history.
Branson - I appreciate your feedback and my education the result. I'm in the process of removing the rust, and I'll report back when I have that complete.
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Interesting find today as I was looking through an old service truck for a particular PTO. It is marked Winchester.
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AND THIS - This is what you call a very tight fit. I won the battle of the locked up air brakes. I had to let some air out of the front tires to gain the additional 1/4" clearance I needed to get past the doors.
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That Mack sure makes a big shop look small in a hurry! Glad to see some of the iron is still runnable. Just a quarter inch out of the tires? Looks mighty tight from my seat! The Winchester drill doesn't look too bad, several firearms mfg.s turned to tools when times got rough, Winchester also had their name on chisels. Am thinking that drill is coming up on 100 years pretty fast now.
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That Mack sure makes a big shop look small in a hurry! Glad to see some of the iron is still runnable. Just a quarter inch out of the tires? Looks mighty tight from my seat! The Winchester drill doesn't look too bad, several firearms mfg.s turned to tools when times got rough, Winchester also had their name on chisels. Am thinking that drill is coming up on 100 years pretty fast now.
I'm telling you it was tight - sliding metal with lube tight. You can see the front tires squatting on one of the pictures. I think I could have gotten away with letting more out of the tires being I was on a slab - and creeeping slow. It amazed me how low geared that truck is already, without the brownlight. Found good news in that transmission has a PTO so I can have a second winch to raise/lower poles, and not have to get off a load to adjust. That is a feature few winch trucks I've seen have. It will be rated at 80,000lbs load in the end.
I'll need to remove the stove to have enough room to work now, but I wanted to make the stove portable anyway - OUT in the summer time.
If a person were looking to find that hand drill in a catalog, where might they look?
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Check here- http://www.roseantiquetools.com/id220.html (http://www.roseantiquetools.com/id220.html) Rose has a Winchester catalog for download.
And here- http://www.thckk.org/ (http://www.thckk.org/)
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Winchester made a full line of hardware products and "man junk," (as my wife would call it). I have had Winchester flashlights, monkey wrench, tappet wrench (still have it), pipe wrench, and I even have two antique glass-eyed Winchester brand fishing lures, from the 1920's. There are many Winchester collectors out there.
Nice find!!
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The 1923 catalog has a very broad selection of tools.
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Your Mack is either a DM or an R Model with a hard nose radiator. It is a very handsome truck and with 80,000 lb rears, it is a serious hauler. The Tag on the inside of the door will have a model number. I know it is off topic, but as a Mack fan, I would be grateful if you would keep us posted. Is it a Mack engine? How many shift levers? If those are double reduction rear axles, get a manual. They are kinda fussy, very expensive and difficult to fix. The truck is WAY COOL!
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Oily, this is getting to be like a TV series! Only much more intelligent and a lot more interesting. Thanks for all you are sharing here.
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RUMOR CONTROL has it that Oily is discussing his own reality TV show with Tim the Tool Man Taylor....if he can just grow an Al Boreland style beard and look studly in plaid....
DM&FS
BTW, anything Winchester brings big buck on ebay. I just got $40+ for an above average pair of 8" lineman's pliers.....
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>Branson - Clearly you are well versed in this subject. I appreciate your comments. It could be there is/was a weld there, but my untrained eye isn't helping here. If it would make sense to you, I would be willing to bear the cost of sending this tool to you for your hands-on assistance.
>Are there "tell tell" signs of a blacksmith made product that I should be more aware of .....that may assist me in honing in on those things blacksmith'd? I will tell you that I would NOT have eyed this as made by a blacksmith. I did note mentally the old clevis was blacksmith made, simply because of the look of the iron.
Oily, I'd be more than happy to check it out in person. But before we start shipping it around, let's look at it some more. First, why don't you de-rustify it a bit so we can see the metal. It's a pretty heavy chisel, and before the stock removal production of more modern chisels, one this heavy would have been made of iron with a thinner piece of steel forge welded on for the cutting edge.
The color of the two metals is fairly easy to see -- maybe an eighth of an inch thickness of steel on the bottom like the sole of a shoe, and the rest iron. It's a bit trickier way of doing things since Iron welds at a significantly different temperature than steel. The iron tends to be etched by rust and time, and would show something like wood grain because it's essentially fibrous, also. I have a pair of saddler's pliers that were intensely etched, and you can tell every step in their production since the grain moves with the hammer's blows. It will swirl around a punched hole, and spiral when it's wound around a pin. (That's why I kept those pliers! They're a book about how they were made.)
Rust removal might also reveal other marks that will tell more of its history.
I kinda think it was supposed to be welded. Looking at the peined over end, that looks like a tear, like the end of the tear held...
I've learned some about the likely source of the chisel we were discussing. The sole local blacksmith of the last 100 years has been described to me as a "RiverRat" and going by the name of Duke Mason. He had a cabin and portable blacksmith shop setup on the river just a couple of bluffs from where my grandfather owned land (and my family still does). At some point in Duke's later years the cabin (built with huge logs as the foundation) lost part of it's foundation. Duke was not physically able to make the repairs required to remain at his place.
My grandfather was in the final stages of building a timber frame "camp" about the same time, and had just made available an old bus he had used for temporary shelter as the camp was being built. Again - on property my grandfather owned just a couple bluffs away from Duke's cabin. He offered the bus/property to Duke as housing until such time he could find his way. Duke lived in that bus, on my grandfather's property, for about 3 years. His health finally failed him and his family made a decision to place him into a home for care. There whereabouts of his portable blacksmith shop are still unknown to me. It was last seen at his cabin.
I'm told Duke Mason left a number of his hand made tools to my grandfather. I suspect the chisel is just one that survived. I'm working to make contact with his descendants (still in this area) to see what else I might learn.
All that said, I was unable to find the chisel today to post pictures of it de-rusted. I remain in a battle over organization of tools. I'm hopeful it will show up soon.
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A quick update! I have some downtime with driveline fabrication on the Mack so I decided to..........well dig her out of the pasture and give her a bath for inspection. I'm very excited, and optimistic, about this project.
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I welcomed this new addition to the shop. While I love the idea of the old Lincolns - something to be said for here and now. As you can see by the hours, it is nearly worn slam out.
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Lastly, I wanted to share a 1" drive drill that surfaced outside the shop. I would say this is the largest drill I now own, but there is the matter of that McCullough gasoline powered 250cc auger I found in the rafters.
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Wow, I never cease to be amazed about how well old cars and trucks hold up in your nice, dry enviroment. If that old Ford truck had been parked out, "...in the pasture..." here in Ohio for more than a year, it would have rust holes you could throw a football through!
And I agree that the Miller welder is worn out. Why don't you just ship it here to me? I'll see if I can possibly restore the old relic, and I might even trade you some Thorsen tools! LOL.
I love watching your journey through this project.
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I like the story a lot, and it just might be the origin of that chisel. I'd really like to see the pictures of it de-rusted.
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I thought I'd share a couple of old photos of the man primarily responsible for building this wealth. I say "primarily" because I know well he could NOT have done it without my grandma, and all the many children.
This is a picture of him "dressed up". It was a rare occasion to see him dressed this nicely. I'm not sure of the occasion of this picture.
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EDIT: This is a picture of him, my dad, and another sibling to my dad. and two of my dad's much younger siblings.
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Him having captured a rattle snack on the property
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Me on the right, my older brother on the left, and "Papaw" in the middle. It was not a staged photo - we regularly rode on his knee.
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And lastly - a view of the "camp" I mentioned in the blacksmith discussion. This is it in it's later years just before somebody burned it to the ground. Another was built shortly after and remains to this day.
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Very cool photos. Thanks for sharing the memories.
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Your Mack is either a DM or an R Model with a hard nose radiator. It is a very handsome truck and with 80,000 lb rears, it is a serious hauler. The Tag on the inside of the door will have a model number. I know it is off topic, but as a Mack fan, I would be grateful if you would keep us posted. Is it a Mack engine? How many shift levers? If those are double reduction rear axles, get a manual. They are kinda fussy, very expensive and difficult to fix. The truck is WAY COOL!
Thanks for the pointers here! I couldn't find a tag with the model - I searched the truck over, but it is clear the truck has been painted at least twice. By the time I got the gear reduction installed, I was frustrated with the debris constantly falling on me....and pulled it out of the shop to clean it well. I will get the specs down component by component and share them here. There are so many considerations I wasn't aware of when I started working on the Mack. I have absolutely ZERO experience with a truck of this size. I've been a bit taken back by it all, have had to MAKE MYSELF slow down and study/learn more, and find some help. It would be easy for me to hurt myself otherwise (e.g. not knowing not to release front bands on the brake cans without bleeding pressure). I think I (may have) conceded I'm not able to handle some of this big stuff (poles, winch placement) alone. This thing is a monster relative to anything I can handle it with - but will be so nice to have around once its done. I can't think of a thing around that'd I'd not be able to move then. I like that thought!
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I like the story a lot, and it just might be the origin of that chisel. I'd really like to see the pictures of it de-rusted.
Pictures of the chisel de-rusted:
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Believe it or not, I am still going through tools in the shop. I had a stash of "all things in cases" that I started sorting through today and cleaning up. I found this Napa Balkamp spark plug thread repair kit - AKA Helicoil
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I was able to clean the Kennedy box up this morning, and by this afternoon it was full.
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And I was able to cleanup this little Kennedy organizer - I have not yet decided on it's use. Prior use was brass fittings.
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After cleaning this guy - found that it is Plomb marked
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As a last note - I have decided the rear-end in the 65 was not original to the truck. It has 20" wheels on the rear, and 16" on the front. I suspect the 16" is original to the 1-ton model. It got me to asking around about the truck's history. I found that it was last used as a pulling machine. I suspect it had the larger axle and springs (+ overloads) installed when the pulling machine was put on it's back. I did find a flat stake bed for it today in the woods - complete with a very old wilton vise.
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I figured you were gonna get into that Ford pretty soon. Does it turn over? That rear axle is probably out of an F-600, with the 20s on it. Don't see why it wouldn't work for you though. Unless its really low geared. I see with the cover off, there isn't any damage, any little bits and pieces in the bottom of the case? Be careful with that big old drill if it still works, they have a tendency not to stop, the bit does but the drill keeps going. I think a trigger lock on those is the most dangerous thing. See how much bigger the shop got with that little Ford sitting there? So glad to see you aren't bored!!
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Does it turn over?
I got it hot, it turned over several times, and then I could smell that smell I was waiting for; short to frame in a hot wire. I started going through the wiring just trying to patch things until I can see what's going on with the engine.
any little bits and pieces in the bottom of the case?
The fluids looked good, the gears look good, and no debris in the bottom. I just had to be sure before moving it. I pulled it into the shop with the rear in the air as not to turn anything over. I have personally broken a crank in a tractor doing such a foolish thing (turning it over via a pull after a long sit).
FYI - I have absolutely ZERO intention of using that drill for any purpose. It may as well be a Winchester Model 07 (made in 1906) .351 cal rifle with reloads from .357 brass - it scares me that much.
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Oily.
DO NOT MESS WITH BRAKE CHAMBERS!! They will take your head off!! I'll find a service manual for you. Believe me, they will kill you.
John Secord
Retired Sales Engineer
Kelsey Axle & Brake Div
Kelsey Hayes Corp
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Pictures of the chisel de-rusted:
Can you read that stamp? MO... something. It doesn't look much like the socket was welded.
It's still curious that the stamp is so deep and professional looking while the making of the
socket left something to be desired.
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OR you are kicking butt and taking names. Great older photos too thanks for posting.
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Oily.
DO NOT MESS WITH BRAKE CHAMBERS!! They will take your head off!! I'll find a service manual for you. Believe me, they will kill you.
John,
Firstly, let me say I appreciate you looking out for me. Fortunately, I had called a life long friend (also my dad's youngest brother) who started managing an "on road" service team about 15 years ago with about 6k trucks, now 12k+. I trust his judgement in this area and called him for different reasons re: those air brakes, but got a "talking to" right out of the gate. He had only been stern with me like that one other time, and I was young and dumb and deserved it. I was caught off guard and taken back. I later chalked it up to the seriousness of the matter.
Whatever got me to him at that moment got me there and it scared the crap out of me. I'm very much a "feet first" sorta guy and was on the heels of popping those cans when I called him. The only reason I stopped to call was to make sure I wasn't overlooking something silly before causing myself work.
I suppose all this is to the point I was originally trying to make with the statement. Being the "feet first" sorta guy with all this stuff that is new to me - I have a recognized need to slow down, educate myself through knowledge sources not getting 100% via experience as usual, and get help where needed (whether unclear, risky, or just to large to handle).
And my wife keeps worrying about me choking on the mint I have each night - let's keep it that way :)
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Can you read that stamp? MO... something. It doesn't look much like the socket was welded.
It's still curious that the stamp is so deep and professional looking while the making of the
socket left something to be desired.
I still believe it reads "MOTTR". I noted one thing very interesting and odd IMO - the tip of the chisel is extraordinarily sharp despite how weathered and pitted the rest of it is - to the point I was able to shave hair off my arm with it. I would have thought I would have found a dull blunt end.
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Speaking iof dangerous truck things...
You *do* know about split rims, right?
(Just checking)
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Speaking iof dangerous truck things...
You *do* know about split rims, right?
(Just checking)
ONLY what I just learned in an AU government bulletin. I think I learned there are split rim retaining bolts and wheel to hub retaining bolts. It seems the split rim retaining bolts hold the rim together, whereas the wheel to hub do just that. That you'd want to be careful to remove only the wheel to hub bolts. It also seems I do not want to work with them (e.g. on/off) inflated.
I think I also figured out I should equip the outside air drop with a pressure regulator specifically for tire inflation, and only use that drop for tire inflation - just to have a limiter on the pressure.
Please keep me honest!
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First time I witnessed a death was due to mishandling a split rim. Guy at the service station did not put the wheel in the cage and when it let go, it caved his head in!
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My truck has widow maker truck rims, can you guess why?
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My truck has widow maker truck rims, can you guess why?
It has split rims?
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I have only had to work with split rims a few times even then I wasnt working with them directly but they give me the chills at times thinkingof possible accidents.
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Oily,
Just wanted to complement you on this fine thread. I try to visit at least once per week and get myself caught up with your shop project. If I miss a week, my life is incomplete.
Keep up the good work and project updates. And please keep the pics coming.
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Oily,
Just wanted to complement you on this fine thread. I try to visit at least once per week and get myself caught up with your shop project. If I miss a week, my life is incomplete.
Keep up the good work and project updates. And please keep the pics coming.
Thank you, Lauver! I appreciate your comments and will continue to ruin my wife's camera taking pictures. I've already ruined mine.
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It was a big day of productive work for me today. Off the bat picked up two sheets of 1/2" x 8' x 22' sheet metal. When I say "picked up", I mean winched them out of the woods and loaded them the hard way. After that - The bus just outside the back door of the shop was moved, along with a lot of debris and couple of gum trees. A good bit of steel was completely gone in shop around that area where it was not draining correctly. It is now graded such to resolve the water issues I've experienced in the back. It also gives me a great start to the idea of enclosing the 8' slab running the width of the building in the back. Now - on to moving one huge pile of shivs - you can't just pull a dozer up for this.
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I had small little "family crisis" and offered to assist with replacing a transmission in a truck. I did get two 1-ton 4x4 transmissions ready for the pull - transfer case and all. I got ready to remove the first, and the transfer case hung on a support beam for the bed before the spline cleared. Looks like I'll be removing a transfer case. I figure at least another good day of labor there before I can get back to the fun of other stuff. More updates then.
Very cool photos. Thanks for sharing the memories.
OR you are kicking butt and taking names. Great older photos too thanks for posting.
Thanks for providing the forum and appreciation.
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Remind me not to volunteer for transmission work again - particularly on a 1-ton 4x4 Powerstroke!
Now - on to the project at hand, the '65 Ford. I'm starting to believe this may not be a 1-ton truck but rather a 1-1/2 ton or 2-ton? Was there such a thing and how would I know for sure? The rear of the truck has had the springs and overloads modified, along with the axle assembly. I really want to go back with a Ford rear that is true to that model. I could be mistaken, the huge 2 speed rear under it now may have come with the truck.....I really don't know. I'm also highly doubtful it had 16" in front and 20" in rear stock of a 1-ton, but again I may be wrong.
It all begs the question - Is a person able to find the specifications for a vehicle in it's original configuration based on VIN? Is there otherwise some way to determine what may have been in this truck originally?
I have a personal project - a 2003 Dodge 4x4 (aka "hunting truck" ) with a 4.7 that I bought knowing/suspecting it had blown/crack heads. I was able to get the heads off today, and I'm really on the fence about what I'm seeing. I have good looking cylinder walls, and almost no ring groove. #1 had some ugliness as in rust at the rim. The mating surface of the head/block had a 3-part metal gasket (1st I'd seen) and I couldn't find anything that just screamed "there is the issue". I looked at the block and the head mating surfaces also. I tried to focus around the water jackets as my symptoms were water in the oil and water at the exhaust, with a slight miss. I mean I did find a couple of spots that didn't look great, and I suppose it could just be that sensitive (it is alum. head over steel block). I think I'm going to try filling the jackets on the head up with casing head to see if it holds or if there is an obvious crack. At this point, I'm a bit scared to go back with just a resurface on the head and new gaskets. As off topic as it is, I'd appreciate the opinion of my tool wrenching friends.
I'm hopeful tomorrow I will slow down enough to take a few pictures of things and how they've progressed....particularly out back as it looks SOOO much better now.
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If the truck still has the door tag, and if 65 isn't too early, there should be a 2 digit number after 'Axle type' or such, it will tell you which of the various ford axles or dana axles was supplied originally with the truck. Yes, there were 1 1/2 T , dunno about 2 tho. Most folks I have ever talked to have said the Dana axles are far better than the ones ford made....
Edit: Forgot, sometimes it's a 3 digit code (4wd has a front axle spec) also may have letters (or is that just after '73?)
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The split rims on trucks like this do not have bolts holding the ring on. The ring is actually a big round spring, with a split , is pounded and levered off, and pounded back on, when the tire is inflated it should "seat". If everything is clean, and the ring is not sprung. If it does not seat, it can attain low earth orbit regardless what is in the way, people, buildings, etc. hence the reason for a tire cage. A wheel that unbolts in two halves can be a very heavy duty rim, a military rim, or something that uses tires with more than 8 plies, that just will not flex. On that 65' what does it say on the Ford logo plate on the front fender? 16 inch tires tells me 1 ton dually. Never seen a truck with mixed wheel sizes, so I'm 99% sure the axle was changed out. What is under that heavy flatbed that you showed pics of earlier, axle wise? Another thing, I have heard there were a few, darn few, 2 speed axles for one tons, but have never seen one.
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I was looking through one of my Mack Truck books this morning and found this one. Looks an awful lot like Oily's Mack. The color of the Bulldog on the hood is significant. If it is gold, it is an all Mack driveline. Engine, trans, aux and rear ends. If the dog is chrome, it is anybodies guess. I could be wrong, but I'm betting that those are Mack double reduction rear ends.
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Take the heads to the machine shop and have them magnafluxed before you spent too much time on them. Will cost less than 75 bucks and its money well spent if you suspect a problem.
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A rather large whole ~ 16'x25'x55' (a dozer couldn't be seen in) arrived on the scene today to assist with disposal versus burning debris from the property. That and moving a continental engine off the back slab consumed my day.
My current thinking on the '65 ford truck is to find a 1-ton rear axle that will match the bolt pattern and wheel size on the front of the truck. I really don't think I want this 2-ton 2 speed rear and current spring/overload setup. I still don't know if the engine is a 360 or 390, and I've been told I may not know without measuring the stroke. There is a complete 460 engine in the shop. I think I may pull the current engine and go back with the 460. I suppose if I could establish the engine/truck have matching numbers that might change my mind...but probably only then short of some discovery. I've found a flat-bed setup for stake rails I'll use. I think I'd like to see that with a few heavy gauge boxes to mount under the bed utilizing any space/clearance and giving it some weight.
If the truck still has the door tag, and if 65 isn't too early.....
No door tag found :(
I was looking through one of my Mack Truck books this morning and found this one. Looks an awful lot like Oily's Mack. The color of the Bulldog on the hood is significant. If it is gold, it is an all Mack driveline. Engine, trans, aux and rear ends. If the dog is chrome, it is anybodies guess. I could be wrong, but I'm betting that those are Mack double reduction rear ends.
That sure is a fine looking example you have found and sure looks the same on the cover to me. I haven't paid a bit of attention to the bulldog, or even if there is one. I'll fumble through pictures tonight and see if I can tell. I'm also guessing you're right on those rears.....just by nature of how low it is already. Thanks for looking, and sharing. I now have a start at models to look at.
Take the heads to the machine shop and have them magnafluxed before you spent too much time on them. Will cost less than 75 bucks and its money well spent if you suspect a problem.
Thanks, 1930! Will do.
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If the truck still has the door tag, and if 65 isn't too early, there should be a 2 digit number after 'Axle type' or such, it will tell you which of the various ford axles or dana axles was supplied originally with the truck. Yes, there were 1 1/2 T , dunno about 2 tho. Most folks I have ever talked to have said the Dana axles are far better than the ones ford made....
Edit: Forgot, sometimes it's a 3 digit code (4wd has a front axle spec) also may have letters (or is that just after '73?)
I did find the data tag; taken off and placed in the glove box. Model = F350, Trans = A, Axle = 22
I also did find a faint "360" on one of the side emblems. I think that should just about answer what was original to the truck.
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22 should make it a Dana axle, 5300 GVW, 4.10 gear ratio, NOT limited slip...
This axle seems to have gone away sometime in the early 80's,
That gear ratio and GVW combination seems to be unusual...
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>Trans = A
A = NP435 4-Speed Manual
The transmission you have/had is rather interesting, it is one of the few ford transmissions that can be bolted to non ford engines....
"The NP435 was made by New Process Gear from 1962 thru 1997. They are found primarily in Ford trucks from 1966 to 1992 and Dodge trucks from 1962 to 1993. They also had limited distribution in GM & Chevrolet trucks from 1968-1972. They are also found in some International Harvester and industrial applications."
http://www.novak-adapt.com/
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I already like that NP435 with the little reading I've done. I'll crawl under it tomorrow and try to confirm it is the NP435, but I suspect it is and I suspect the engine is the original 360 with the axle and back springs the only modification.
22 should make it a Dana axle, 5300 GVW, 4.10 gear ratio, NOT limited slip...
This axle seems to have gone away sometime in the early 80's,
That gear ratio and GVW combination seems to be unusual...
The reading I'm doing has me thinking a Axle code 22 in a 1965 Ford truck would have been a Spicer / Dana 70 4.83 7,400lb limited slip. Short of a resident parts expert in 65 Fords coming forward - I may try calling the Ford dealership tomorrow for help in confirming all the data for the tag. It also has a DSO number that may reveal something.
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Thats the same rear-end that is in the truck I am borrowing the motor from for my fire-truck, have no use for the rear end, good rear, smoked alot of tire with it, never gave me a problem. Just drove truck to its final destination on Sat and towed home what was left of it including rear Sat evening
I know chances are you wont but if you did arrange pick-up it would be yours. Id like to see it go back to something it would have originally been found in.
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Assuming it is a dana axle*, there is a long number stamped on the tube that describes all the parts and gears that went into the axle.
looks like 603XX-X, 604XX-X or 605XX-X.
It is stamped on the side of the long axle tube, there is also a build date there.
*If it has a square cover, with 10 bolts, 3 top, 3 bottom, 2 each side it is a 20 or 30 series dana, the only ford axle with a square cover has 2 bolts at the top and bottom and 3 on the sides...
2c
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Thats the same rear-end that is in the truck I am borrowing the motor from for my fire-truck, have no use for the rear end, good rear, smoked alot of tire with it, never gave me a problem. Just drove truck to its final destination on Sat and towed home what was left of it including rear Sat evening
I know chances are you wont but if you did arrange pick-up it would be yours. Id like to see it go back to something it would have originally been found in.
AND I'd like to see the 65 F350 back to it's original configuration - PM inbound
Assuming it is a dana axle*, there is a long number stamped on the tube that describes all the parts and gears that went into the axle.
looks like 603XX-X, 604XX-X or 605XX-X.
The only problem with that approach is - the original axle is gone and has been replaced with a 2-ton :)
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Why change out that heavy axle with big rear tires.? Think of all the fuel money you'll save driving downhill most of the time.
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>the original axle is gone
*doh*
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More progress cleaning outside the shop in the yard today. A view of the back of the shop after a few days of cleanup.
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Found out back in the rubbish - Avery & Sons - I suppose this is a "middle buster"
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I also took a stroll to see if I could find a Ford 1-ton, 6-bolt 7.25" pattern axles on a Dana rear. I did find a total of 17 1-ton rears, but none to match. I was hopeful this '65? would have one, but it is an F700.
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Avery was a very respected maker of farm tractors and equipment about 80-90 years ago. That "middle buster" is a horse drawn walking plow. The wood handles bolt on where those strap irons protrude from the back of the plow lay. Very desirable in some areas as yard art. Seventeen axles? wowsa, that is a lot of iron. I can't think of a reason not to run it as is, at least for awhile. If the brakes are up, see how it handles. Getting the itch to go play in my own iron pile now.
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I dont think they are identical but there was a time I would have been real interested in those running boards, I think you will find the pass side has the little door for the battery box access.
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Seventeen axles?
NO NO - seventeen 1-ton rears/axles
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Do we even want to know how many 3/4 ton you found? LOL!
I really think you need more pullys and shieves, would you like us to send you some more?
(I see at least one in there that belongs on an air compressor)
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I spent the cool half of the day outside again cleaning up in the shop yard - in front today. I took the last half and worked on tools in the shop.
Before I bury the thread with pictures (and it is a picture heavy post).......I have found this IH wrench I'd like to call-out. It is marked 9532 DA with an IH emblem. I'd appreciate any information that one may have on the wrench.
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This is a view of the "service cart" I'm working on and some of the broken wrenches I plan to incorporate into its design.
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Three more pipe wrenches added to the wall.
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I did find a Barrett jack buried in the dirt today.
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This is the Plomb ratchet I found as I was walking through the pasture a couple of weeks ago. I had this feel of steel beneath my feet as I was on a stroll. I stopped, gave the dirt a kick, and there it was in very rough shape. I've done what I can to clean it short of a wire wheel. Amazingly, it still works. I think it will retire to the wall.
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About the time I think I have found all the pipe tongs/chain wrenches, I find another yesterday....pictured here along with the other 7 found in the cleaning process. The largest is 60", the smallest 28".
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I believe this is an early rod holder/hanger/elevator
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A TOLEDO pipe threader
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NON-Ridgid Pipe cutters
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These are in addition to the other 3" Lufkin wrench already found.
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A few "older" wrenches
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Oily, Your 9532 DA wrench is front idler adjuster wrench for IHC TD-6 crawler.
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That jack deserved better than that
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Oily, Your 9532 DA wrench is front idler adjuster wrench for IHC TD-6 crawler.
Thank you, Mr. Jim!
.......deserved better than that
Words that have come out of my mouth a MANY of time during this project.
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That big jack looks a lot like the Railroad jack my dad hauled home decades ago. Heavy as heck, but will lift whatever you put it under. Ever think about an addition to the shop just to hang the tools in?
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Oily, or anyone, is there a keyboard command to move left and right on a long photo post like the one above without going down to the arrow below the last photo?
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>a keyboard command to move left and right
If you are using IE, click on a picture to select the group, then the left and right arrow keys will move it (slowly) right and left...
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As it turns out the 1965 Ford F350 is a 1966 Ford F350. The data tag that was found in the glove box (formally riveted to the driver's door) confirms via the warranty number a June 1966 man. date for a 1966 model with a 352 engine. The engine data tag (mounted under the coil) states a 352 engine with a man. date of June 1966 for a 1966 model truck. I feel comfortable saying the engine was originally in the truck. I had misread the side emblems to read "Ford" OVER "360", when it fact they read "Ford" OVER "350". The data tag confirms the current color was also original, as is the transmission. I have yet to translate the "DSO" number on the door tag. I understand it to be indicative of dealer customized options - or "special order". Short of the DSO number providing "special order" information - The only issue of parts with having the truck 100% back to original condition is the Dana 70 4.88 rear with 6 bolt on a 7.25" pattern axle for the rears.
Quick note about "options" via special order - I just love the FOMOCO "push button" pump mounted on the floor that allows the driver to pump air into the washer reservoir (a douche bag looking thing mounted on the wheel well) forcing cleaner onto the window.
I re-wired HOT wires, replaced the starter, solenoid, plugs, plug wires, rotor, distributor cap, points, condenser, fuel pump, and rigged a temp. fuel line from a fuel container............changed the fluids throughout........gave it a breath of starter fluid, and BAM - she busted right off never hesitating. Little makes me happier than to bring something left for dead back to life. I had forgotten how much I love the sound of a big block engine.
I've found two issues related to the engine - 1) a every so small leak in a tube within the radiator, and 2) the occasional spit/sputter that I suspect is directly related to a partially plugged low-speed jet on the carb. - I have a rebuild kit for the carb on order.
I have now stepped away from the engine to focus on removing the body work so that it may go for repairs and paint. Overall, the body is very solid with just a couple of areas that will require patching. It would be very easy to put this truck on the road and drive it as-is, but I really want it to be fully repaired, looking as original, and dependable. Once the body is in a shop I plan to turn my focus on the frame and brake system.
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Hey, Oily. I have a thought for you....
Vintage vehicles have been my life, both professionally and as a hobby for most of my entire life. So I feel qualified to give you a suggestion.
That 66 Ford has neat OLD paint on it. And today, there is an extremely strong and popular trend to preserve old paint with "patina", and to paint commercial names on top of that old paint, and then sand those names/characters down to make them look as old as the old paint. This look of a well-preserved but NOT restored or repainted old truck is SCREAMINGLY popular these days. You might want to give that some thought before repainting it. OLD scratches and imperfections are "patina" today, and you can easily repaint it later if you change your mind. But you can NEVER go back to the old paint---ever.
It seems to me that, this old truck would look awesome with the old original name of your family's business on the doors in "old" faded lettering, while the 352 FT engine hums along like a new motor, and all the mechanicals are restored to a reliable state.
Just a thought....
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Hey, Oily. I have a thought for you....
I'm humbled by your stepping in to lend an opinion and your thoughts. I didn't have any luck finding an example of the paint restoration style you've noted. I'm still looking.
In those cases, how is it that you deal with, or blend in, areas that must be patched/welded/bondo and are readily visible? I have two areas 1) on the hood, and 2) cab beam at passenger's door - where body work has been done before (and not a great job I might add). I had planned to mold the metal back to form and beat/sand out the old bondo in those areas. Most any other body work required would likely be hidden (floor pans, cab corners, etc.). How would you treat the frame and other steel work (e.g. wheel wells) when applying this technique?
I do have two magnetic company door signs that I found during the cleanup I'd like to sport or replicate.
I'm interested in this paint style that you note but frankly I had planned all along for this truck to be my daily driver - not bound to the shop or preserved along with it. I would like for it to be something I could pass along (in good order) to my son. My gut reaction is look/think to apply this technique you speak of in a shop truck project.
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Oily- google "patina Paint scheme" and "faux patina" look at the images and the discussions.
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You might also try rat rod, or variations of rat-rod.
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Here is a link to one example, although it is not especially good, in my taste. I probably have some pix at work, but will have to wait till tomorrow to look for them.
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=140698 (http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=140698)
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Thanks to some "keyword" help I've been able to find a number of examples, and a number of threads with information on methods. I rather like the style.
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Oily,
Here is an example of what these guys are trying to fake.
http://www.streetrodderweb.com/tech/0806sr_painting_faux_patina/photo_01.html (http://www.streetrodderweb.com/tech/0806sr_painting_faux_patina/photo_01.html)
You have got the real deal. If you have to weld up some rust damage, use a long lasting brown-red epoxy primer like Ditzler DTL and just leave it in primer or paint over the primer with OE color and sand through the color to make it look old. It is really cool to restore the chassis and engine, but patina the cab. Have a seat cover made from a colorful indian or Mexican blanket. Have the sign on the door hand painted and then age it with 400 grit water sandpaper. You can also coat the cab with low gloss clear so that the rust stops.
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It was a deal I could not pass up; a 1965 F-350 with 43k being sold by the original owner (a glass/mirror company). I'm having second thoughts fast about this being a parts truck - but it has the rear and a front bumper I need.
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Dosent look like a parts truck to me, how much did you give?
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Dosent look like a parts truck to me, how much did you give?
750
It runs, as is. Has original engine, paint, tons of paper work saved over the years, etc. It's in better shape than the '66 from the shop, but has a 300 six and I want the big 8. I have a '86 now with a 300 six that has over 245k - I know how good the engine is; generally speaking.....but I also know it's limitations and again, I want an 8. The truck has several things I could use - front glass, back glass, front bumper, rear/axle, 6-bolt wheels and good tires........probably endless "little things" like mirrors and knobs - a good seat not torn. I need to sleep on it but may well put this to the side for a later project. It does seem a shame to butcher it.
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Looks like a great truck you bought, Oily. Good for you.
Now, I know I've been offering lots of advice lately, so please don't let me sound like a know-it-all. But the collector-vehicle world has been my life for over 40 years, so I end up with lots of experience...and opinions too...of course.
Anyway, here goes:
Sometimes the worst thing that can happen to a restorer is to find a second wonderful vehicle, which looks like an "easy restoration" before finishing the first one. Many productive and active projects have been derailed when focus is lost, and resources of time, money, and energy are spread out, etc. IF this 2nd Ford truck has many parts that you need, I say GO for it. Gently remove the parts you specifically need, and then either part it out from there (will pay for the entire parts truck and more, if you do it right), or sell it as a project to someone else.
Vehicles from the southwestern US are generally in WAY better body condition than the same models from the rust belt (like Ohio, my neck of the woods). Here that low mileage glass truck would be rusted almost to the point of sagging and collapsing into the soil. You would have holes a basketball could be thrown through. Therefore, people up here who find restoration projects ALWAYS need lots and lots of decent sheet metal panels...especially for vehicles for which no reproduction panels have ever been made (like your Ford trucks). So you might very well get $750 for two nice fenders and two doors...or for the bare cab without any panels, etc. You can sell them on eBay, after finding out about shipping the parts, or even urge people to drive there to pick them up. After you recover your investment you would still have lots of parts to sell. (Yet I suspect that, if it is as nice as it looks, you can swap parts from one truck to the other, keeping the best for yourself, and sell the entire truck to someone in the rust belt who will drive down with a trailer to pick it up.)
It may sound cruel to part out a nice old truck, but that is the only way that several other old trucks can be saved. And if you can use it to save your own old Ford AND have zero cost in the panels, that is WAY better then getting a 2nd project truck sitting out back at your shop...begging for your attention, time, and money.
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I meant to say, "...AND have zero cost in the swapped-out parts..." Sorry.
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Oily, you should (if you have not already) check what transmission is in that truck. Glass is very heavy, and a common option was also the heavy low 1st speed allison transmiision, That is what is in our ('89) truck , and it's a very nice tranny.....
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Another tool was found today laying in the dirt of the shop drive. It was a tool one of my grandfather's had made by hand and given to my other grandfather. I'll explain details later after the "what's it" fun. I think finding that tool today struck a nerve with me like few other things have during the project. I find it disrespectful, to both men and me, to have thrown that tool to the ground. But then again, the notion of disrespected tools is not new here.
After the last several months working this project I'm ready to declare a new life goal. It is to live the rest of my days being an advocate for the proper care of tools. I've concluded it is somewhat common place to view tools as disposable, or a consumable, and unworthy of proper care and attention. I'm not exactly sure how I'll have an impact, but I'm determined I will.
Oily, you should (if you have not already) check what transmission is in that truck. Glass is very heavy, and a common option was also the heavy low 1st speed allison transmiision, That is what is in our ('89) truck , and it's a very nice tranny.....
The transmission code is "N" - which I understand for a 1965 F350 is a New Process 435 (NP435). If so, it is the same 4-speed granny gear PTO'able transmission as in the 66 project truck. They do appear visually the same.
..........Now, I know I've been offering lots of advice lately, so please don't let me sound like a know-it-all. But the collector-vehicle world has been my life for over 40 years, so I end up with lots of experience...and opinions too...of course.................
I appreciate and respect your experience and opinions! Please keep it coming! I really would like to follow your guidance, BUT this truck that I've bought for parts is in nearly pristine condition short of the sun beating down on the original paint.....and a little headliner work, and a busted headlight. I'm afraid I'm unable to butcher this one, and I'll look for another to serve as parts. I will aim to drive this one between the home and the shop while I work on the 1966.
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I appreciate and respect your experience and opinions! Please keep it coming! I really would like to follow your guidance, BUT this truck that I've bought for parts is in nearly pristine condition short of the sun beating down on the original paint.....and a little headliner work, and a busted headlight. I'm afraid I'm unable to butcher this one, and I'll look for another to serve as parts. I will aim to drive this one between the home and the shop while I work on the 1966.
Oily,
LOL! Well, I do COMPLETELY understand your feelings on this one. I have done this same thing myself. Oh well. At least you have plenty of room and tools to do the work. Enjoy!
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>I've concluded it is somewhat common place to view tools as disposable, or a consumable, and unworthy of proper care and attention. I'm not exactly sure how I'll have an impact, but I'm determined I will.
Your tools will only serve you as well as you serve them. That's my take. As for "disposable," I have two Makita full kits because somebody was going to dispose of them both. Very little attention and they both work great. Disposable? Exacto blades are disposable, but my grandfather used to sharpen his a few times before tossing them.
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Quote......I appreciate and respect your experience and opinions! Please keep it coming! I really would like to follow your guidance, BUT this truck that I've bought for parts is in nearly pristine condition short of the sun beating down on the original paint.....and a little headliner work, and a busted headlight. I'm afraid I'm unable to butcher this one, and I'll look for another to serve as parts. I will aim to drive this one between the home and the shop while I work on the 1966...........Sounds like another oily project :) Phase two
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Sounds like another oily project :) Phase two
The '65 is now running. One valve was stuck, but managed to get past that. Compression ranging from 115-145psi. Small drip at the seal on the yoke? of the rear chunk where the driveline attaches. I put about 50 miles on it today. I did take the glass hauler bed off. The truck now officially has it's first dent from where I let the tractor tire get into the body - I don't want to talk about it anymore. I will start working on putting a flatbed on it bed on it tomorrow. I see no reason I can't drive it as-is for a good while - I may need to buy tires. If the 300 six goes flat (which I highly doubt) - I have another already rebuilt and waiting. I'll only do it in for about 10 miles per day between the shop and house, so I think we'll be fine.
Exacto blades are disposable, but my grandfather used to sharpen his a few times before tossing them.
I suspect he lived in a time when you had no choice but to appreciate what you had for little chance of having another soon.
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All this talk is making me look at my old F-250 harder and harder. Working in a shop it boggles my mind to see fellows go home and leaving a grand or more of nearly new name brand tools and air tools laying on the floor. Would it be a perfect world there would be little tests at Sears before you could buy a ratchet, a screwdriver, or a power tool. I wonder how much their sales would drop, if people could not pass the tests! Having a decent 45 year old truck to tool around the farm, thats just sweet.
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(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7226/7347094878_f36b42b967.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34245039@N00/7347094878/)
theyellowtruck (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34245039@N00/7347094878/) by farmgate (http://www.flickr.com/people/34245039@N00/), on Flickr
This is my newest truck
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Exacto blades are disposable, but my grandfather used to sharpen his a few times before tossing them.
I suspect he lived in a time when you had no choice but to appreciate what you had for little chance of having another soon.
He was turning out a 35% net profit at this point. He just saw no reason to toss them when they could be fixed. He *had* lived through the Depression, though, even if it was easier to live through it in Bakersfield, CA than it was most other places.
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I was in the woods on a parts hunt and found this - I like it. Haven't yet determined the year model. I think I need to drag it out with a dozer before I start "digging around" to much. I'm pretty sure "something" is ready to defend it's home.
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Looks like 1958 or 1959, look for snakes too, they like to get in the headliner, and behind the seat.
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Wow, once again I am amazed at the condition of the sheet metal on abandoned vehicles from down south. Here in Ohio that thing would have massive rust, and be falling to pieces by now.
Good for you!
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This Ford could be pretty nice. If its 2wd, will have front leaf springs solid axle and king pins. I believe it was 1961 they went to the (Twin Eye Beam), split front axle. If its a v8, will probably be a 292 Y-block. NOt a bad engine, just kinda heavy and with some age they did drink and leak oil. I just spotted the gun rack in the back window, can't imagine displaying hardware these days. I see its 3-speed, when was it last plated? Sure got possibilities.
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when was it last plated?
As I recall this truck was parked at the deer camp by a storage building during the early part of my life - just beside a red 1949 mercury coupe I drooled over as a teenager. I've never seen either driven (born in '72). I'm not sure at what point it was moved to the house place. Yet to find the Mercury - suspect it is, in fact, gone......although hard to say for certain as I'm still finding things in grown up areas.
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Oily,
You can quickly tell if it is a Y-block motor when you raise the hood. The Y-block is the only OHV Ford V8 engine of the 50's-70's with the distributor in the rear, like a Chevy. Also, the valve covers are held on by just two bolts in the top center of each valve cover.
If it turns out that this truck DOES have the 292 Y-block engine, good for you. That is a very desirable Y-block, and very popular with vintage Ford guys. The biggest Y-block was the 312, made famous by the two-seater T-Birds of the fifties. But the 312 is prone to cracking at the main saddle, at the threaded hole for the mains bolt. So many Y-block guys will use turned-down 312 cranks in 292 blocks, and bore them out to the correct size. That way they end up with a true 312 Y-block with a sturdier block (in the main-bearing saddle area, I mean).
Good luck, and I hope you will find that Merc!
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Oily,
You can quickly tell if it is a Y-block motor when you raise the hood. The Y-block is the only OHV Ford V8 engine of the 50's-70's with the distributor in the rear, like a Chevy. Also, the valve covers are held on by just two bolts in the top center of each valve cover.
If it turns out that this truck DOES have the 292 Y-block engine, good for you. That is a very desirable Y-block, and very popular with vintage Ford guys. The biggest Y-block was the 312, made famous by the two-seater T-Birds of the fifties. But the 312 is prone to cracking at the main saddle, at the threaded hole for the mains bolt. So many Y-block guys will use turned-down 312 cranks in 292 blocks, and bore them out to the correct size. That way they end up with a true 312 Y-block with a sturdier block (in the main-bearing saddle area, I mean).
Good luck, and I hope you will find that Merc!
Great stuff! I appreciate all the information. I'm afraid, despite my true desire, I must leave it alone for the time being and focus on a few things I've already started. I AM proud to say the '65 F350 is now road worthy - awaiting title MESS to be sorted out. It has just about beat me to death running old unkept oil field roads between the house and shop.
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Title mess, eh?
Here in Ohio trying to get a title for an old abandoned vehicle is nearly impossible, and you must be very careful not to mention "junk yard" or "salvage" or similar words in the license bureau offices. Otherwise the bureaucrats there will flip out and demand that the vehicle be destroyed, because of laws that were created with the intent of stopping "chop shops" from resurrecting totaled-out wrecks and selling them as good used cars.
So here in Ohio (according to rumor...wink wink, chuckle) when a car collector finds an old abandoned vehicle with no title, it is common practice to sell that vehicle through the mail to someone in another state, where only a bill-of-sale is required for older vehicles. Then the party whom you have sold the vehicle to takes your bill-of-sale into his title bureau, and has a title made in his own name, in that state. Then he will sell your vehicle back to you, signing his new title over to you in the presence of a notary public, and sending it to you for you to sign as the new buyer. It's silly to have to do things that way, but some of these laws are like cheap padlocks... They don't even slow down the thieves, but they sure to create hassles and headaches for honest people trying to collect and restore vintage vehicles!
The practice is technically legal, because you really are selling your vehicle to another person, and they really are titling it in their own name, and then they really are selling it back to you. But you sure wouldn't want to tell your title bureaucrats how you did it. Or they might blow a blood vessel on the spot. Denying honest people the right to buy a title or license plates is the favorite pasttime of many 'crats I have been around. LOL.
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I just spotted the gun rack in the back window, can't imagine displaying hardware these days.
I can't tell you how many times I "caught" my papaw's pistol as it slid across the non-padded dash of an old truck.
I was taught to display your hardware and there is no need for a government permit to "conceal" it. Large in window - small on dash. I keep my primary daily driver "configured" that way to this day - but again, I live in the sticks of redneck/hillbilly/roughneck USA (not NYC).
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No open carry of handguns in Texas, believe it or not. Loaded handguns must be concealed, thus a CHL is required.
Texas Gov. Rick Perry doesn't shy away from his love of guns -- he admitted he takes his gun along with him on jogs, last year shooting a coyote that threatened his dog. The governor said he would consider an open-carry bill if it landed on his desk.
"The governor believes our concealed-carry law works for Texas and that a person ought to be able to carry their weapon with them anywhere in the state if they are licensed and have gone through the training," Perry's spokeswoman Allison Castle said. "He would be open to looking at any proposals lawmakers bring to the table regarding open carry. I suppose we've got what you could call a Texas open carry since you can hang your rifle in the window of your pickup truck."
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In Arkansas as it relates ONLY to automobile carry "Firearms may be openly carried in automobiles only with a permit OR while traveling."
NOTE: "Traveling" is a highly subjective term and is NOT clearly defined in Arkansas state law.
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When I was like 20, some hippies had an old VW bus(1960 Kombi to be exact) they were driving up to Iowa from Texas with a load of head shop stuff and gawd knows how many drugs. They burned a hole in one of the pistons near Clarinda Iowa(sw part of the state). They were at the VW dealer in Ames wanting a price on a new engine for it and after getting the bad news, offered to sell it to me for the $3.61 compression test bill at the International Harvester Dealer in Clarinda, the only place in town that would even talk to them. All I had to do was deliver the "goods" to a head shop on the ISU campus and the bus was mine. Borrowed the roommate's car and rented a U haul hitch and away I went. I let them clean out the van and I put a used piston in it and drove it all summer.
Getting a title back then was pretty easy. Law stated that an abandoned vehicle with no known owner should be publicly offered for sale in 3 public places(I got to name my price BTW). If it didn't sell in 2 weeks, I could sign papers at the courthouse and get a new title for it. Traded the Bus to my roommate in exchange for him co-signing a loan so I could buy this really cool 1963 356B Porsche Coupe that was in town. Wish I still had both vehicles now.
BTW, I still have the TX license plate from that Kombi. It was unique in that the double doors were on the driver's side and not on the passenger side. That's enough memory lane for one night!!!
DM&FS
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Wow, great story, Moose!
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I bet yall thought I was out of steam and discoveries. This morning it was time to dig in storage #1
I'd say this probably had something to do with removing corn off the cob.
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I believe I found the stash of spare parts to the pipe tools
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Williams clamp
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Millers Falls stamps
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punch
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Rockwell circular
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McCullough Mini Mue (I will put this guy to work)
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Unknown #1 to me, and I'd appreciate any comment
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depth gauge
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single tree
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unknown #2 to me - again, I appreciate comment
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wet rock in a wooden box (I suspect this is my OTHER grandfathers)
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just a box
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the pamphlet inside the box
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unknown maker hand saw
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bolt cutter replacement dies
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Craftsman scroll saw
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unknown maker wood lathe - I suspect Craftsman
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and if you're working with tools you need to stay cool somehow
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Craftsman must be correct for the wood lathe. I'm trying to think of a comment on your wonderful finds, but I'm just speechless, I guess. Here are some shiny 21620 pictures for comparison though.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=craftsman+21620+wood+lathe&_sacat=42282&_odkw=craftsman+wood+lathe&_osacat=42282
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You don't even have to try hard to find some great stuff! I wonder what brand those replacement adjustable wrench jays fit,they could be handy. The unknown #1 is a froe. The Craftsman saw is actually their three wheeled bandsaw, my dad had one just like it. Oh and #2 is a harness hames, a pair of these where fastened to the horses collar and the tug chaines where then attached to the hames.
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I bet you could hit ten hardware stores today and not find that many replacement jaws! As said, the first unknown is a froe, for splitting shingles, look carefully it may be blacksmith made. The second one is a hame, used as a pair, one on either side of a horse collar. Some had fancy brass or nickel balls on top. I hesitate to even think what corner you drug all this out of!
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Craftsman must be correct for the wood lathe. I'm trying to think of a comment on your wonderful finds, but I'm just speechless, I guess. Here are some shiny 21620 pictures for comparison though.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=craftsman+21620+wood+lathe&_sacat=42282&_odkw=craftsman+wood+lathe&_osacat=42282
Thanks for the lead!
You don't even have to try hard to find some great stuff! I wonder what brand those replacement adjustable wrench jays fit,they could be handy. The unknown #1 is a froe. The Craftsman saw is actually their three wheeled bandsaw, my dad had one just like it. Oh and #2 is a harness hames, a pair of these where fastened to the horses collar and the tug chaines where then attached to the hames.
Oh, but you have no idea how much blood, sweat, and tears have been involved with this project :-)
I would like to know myself on the wrench jaws and what they fit, and I will given time. I suspect Williams, as that was the bulk of adjustables found in the shop. Are you able to elaborate on "three wheeled" bandsaw? I'm not familiar with the term and don't want to assume only what it suggest. #2 harness hame - basically hitching the horse to what is being drawn?
I bet you could hit ten hardware stores today and not find that many replacement jaws! As said, the first unknown is a froe, for splitting shingles, look carefully it may be blacksmith made. The second one is a hame, used as a pair, one on either side of a horse collar. Some had fancy brass or nickel balls on top. I hesitate to even think what corner you drug all this out of!
Need a jaw? :-)
I was told it was a shingle splitter, but was reluctant given the source. I should have given him more credit. I'm still struggling with the "tell tell" signs of blacksmith made. I will get better pictures and post them. Maybe you could help me inspect and make a determination...give me feedback on what you're seeing that clues you in? I'd really like to be able to ID better blacksmith made tools. I suspect I'm running into them more often that I realize.
Today's finds were in a storage building, outside the shop, that is on the property. I had not so much as opened the door before today. I was myself astounded at the finds.....completely unexpected and very welcome.
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I think I've either found the model in the 1960 catalog, or I'm getting real close
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Are you able to elaborate on "three wheeled" bandsaw? I'm not familiar with the term and don't want to assume only what it suggest.
Check out the Vintage Machinery site here http://www.vintagemachinery.org/photoindex/detail.aspx?id=13616 Hopefully this link worked to get you right to a model 103.24300 saw like yours. Most bandsaws have two wheels that the blade runs on but this Craftsman benchtop model has three wheels. You should be able to find more info on them at this site.
The hames you have are were the tug chains are hooked to, the tug chains, one on each side of the horse go back and connect to each end of a single tree behind the horse. Or the staves on a buggy could be fastened to the hames somehow. I've worked with a mule some (in a younger and more foolish day). I had it harnessed to a sled that I built and I hauled cedar fence posts out of a creek bed in the mountians behind or place back in Washington.
Hope this helps
Pat
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.....Hope this helps
Yes, Sir. Extremely helpful and much appreciated. My first (but not last) visit to that website. That was a FINE job of restoring the saw.
Thanks for talking me through the hame setup. I would have enjoyed being part of your work to move those cedar around the property - it would be a great learning experience for me - exactly what I need. I'm often ashamed of my lack of knowledge of old farm equipment - particularly given my family's history and where I live (and therefore my finds).
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Think about the arsenal of tools used in making this thing by hand. This thing? It is a working miniature replica of a oil well complete with derrick and pulling machine. My grandfather made this by hand, and used a can opener motor to make it go up and down. I remember well (pun intended) it being in his house when I was a child. I was so pleased to find this yesterday in storage and be able to bring it home. It is in bad condition with the pieces staged for the photo, but will be a priority for me to restore.
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A worthy project to complete!
Take your time and do it right!
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I can just see him at the work bench of a winter day, big bronze soldering iron in hand making the derrick. That it survived is amazing, considering the time, and the people that have been in and out around there. The toy truck he used, is an AC Mack! probably just a ten cent toy when he made this, but wouldn't mind having one at all. Plus on the base, the engine he mocked up to provide power, is an early T head 4 cylinder, not sure I've ever seen a model of one, or one in a model. This was sort of like waiting for you all these years wasn't it?
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Of all the stuff, your Grandpa's oil derrick is by far the neatest!!
great find!!
Skip
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Any thoughts on this? No markings, and smells "homemade" to me (but very well done if it is). I have no idea on it's intended use. Would you call this a vise, clamp, or arbor?
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Might be missing a foot or maybe there are several interchangable
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Press, definitly, probably the leadscrew from an old vise. Pipe cap filled with grease would make a usable foot, handles are too short, but otherwise, very well made....
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Oily, What is the little AC Mack made of? If it is plastic, the motor on the rig is the Mack engine. Monogram Models made them in the 70's and 80's. That model is REALLY cool!
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The press is cool, but the oil rig! They were all over the place when I was growing up in Bakersfield. There were acres of them, and acres of old wooden derricks with their shacks right next. Man, does that bring back memories!!
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Press, definitly, probably the leadscrew from an old vise. Pipe cap filled with grease would make a usable foot, handles are too short, but otherwise, very well made....
Thank you, Sir! The grease simply for the suction?
Oily, What is the little AC Mack made of? If it is plastic, the motor on the rig is the Mack engine. Monogram Models made them in the 70's and 80's. That model is REALLY cool!
Plastic. I think you've forgotten more about Mack's than I know. FYI - I found the "dog" on the truck at the shop. Someone had moved him to the mirror. GOLD.
The press is cool, but the oil rig! They were all over the place when I was growing up in Bakersfield. There were acres of them, and acres of old wooden derricks with their shacks right next. Man, does that bring back memories!!
I grew up the same - wells, wells, and more wells. Nearly each of them had either a wooden derrick or one of steel. I can only find two in the county now. One of those is at a museum. I do still know my way into the very back woods, where there are plenty of oil production artifacts to be found.....but rising scrap prices took care of derricks. You can still sit on my porch at night and hear the sound of the natural gas fired engines. I have a 3rd cousin that seems to be in the business of bringing them back online....whatever that's about.
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Oily. Your vise, clamp, arbor press ? Could this be a chain breaker? There are tools out there for breaking roller chain and other heavy industrial chains that very similar to this.
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That derrick model is about the coolest thing I've seen in some time. What a wonderful keepsake and well worth restoring. I'd love to see an "after" picture when you complete the restoration (and I hope you do).
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An update here. I was tinkering around today in the shop and had a visit from my father. He see's this thing on the counter, and ask "where in the hell did you find that?". I traded a story of where I found it with his story of what it was, and where it come from.
My father made this while in high-school so he would have a way to press bushings in/out in his work with his father at the shop. He says he fabricated 100% of it with scrap/tools in his vocational class. It was long replaced with the monster size shop press. My father has no interest in it. Says there are pieces missing he had milled for various size bushings. I'll likely clean it up and have it rest on a shelf in the shop.....or bring it home to sit on a shelf here. Father says he likely still has some formal award on paper where he was recognized for making it.
Any thoughts on this? No markings, and smells "homemade" to me (but very well done if it is). I have no idea on it's intended use. Would you call this a vise, clamp, or arbor?
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Very cool that he made it so long ago, and you have it now!
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Nice press, good work!
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Today I stumbled across a pile of hacksaws I had put to the side during cleanup. Managed to scrape enough layers of crude off to decide which I'd try to clean further. Found several quality brands; Millers, Wards Master Quality, Nicholson, and my favorite (handleless). I should be able to share pictures of them clean in the next few days.
The 4'x8' shop work table made of 7/8" "sucker rod" frame and wood top was finally given attention today. Cleaned, sanded, painted, and awaiting a new treated lumber top tomorrow. Nice to have this table back in service. 4x8 workspace already proving handy laying out parts working on chainsaws today.
The McCulloch 250 I found fired today long enough to run off the gasoline I had poured in the exhaust. Good compression. Not shocked I'm having a fuel delivery problem. Working on carb. kit for that. Need muffler and apparently not hard to find - super loud in shop as is.
Need one of those older 9/16" chain saw socket/screwdriver/sparkplug combo wrench if anybody has one. I have a couple, but none with the 9/16" bar nut size.
Not sure I need another chainsaw anymore than I need another pipe wrench. Just can't let go of such things.
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That little press of your dads looks darn well made. Something that size would always have a use in a shop.
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This Wilton is back in service at the shop. I found it mounted on the rear of a 1-ton flat-bed. It was improperly installed and abused in use. It was mounted by two bolts at the base; therefore the hair-line crack. Cutting torch across the jaw, etc. etc. It's had a hard life but when it gets right down to it is still VERY usable vise. Both sets of jaws look good on the face. I decided it would serve well working in the shop (and frankly its just to big, and a bit ugly, for the '65 truck). I was not going for a show room restoration. I was aiming to take it down, clean it up, paint it, and put it back in service - FAST.
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I like the color you have chosen
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It's going to be a good work vise. Better on the bench than the back of your truck. How's that old Ford coming along anyway?
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It's always good to see a great old tool returned to service!
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Found this tool left behind in one of the rental properties when a tenant vacated. It's no wrench, but I figured it'd be handy to have around in the shop. Cold this morning at about 25 f. so I started a fire in the belly stove gramps made.
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and it just kept getting hotter.
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.............How's that old Ford coming along anyway?
My attention was diverted away from the '66 to the '65 "parts truck" for a bit. Turned out the '65 wasn't a parts truck after all. The '66 sits in the shop, gets a body panel or component pulled every couple days..... disassembling to the frame. Had planned to run the 352 as it was, given its condition, but having second thoughts there thinking about going ahead and doing the rebuild with a little more HP. Long term, I want to drive the '66 daily.
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This found during cleanup; Lufkin No. 524 Folding Log Rule - Doyle Scale. It was used by cruisers/scalers to determine footage of saw logs. It features a folding end hook, graduated inches to 1/16 lower edge, outside markings for 10 and 18' logs, and inside markings for 12', 14', and 16' logs.
I suspect my grandfather had it to assist him in his sawmill work. It is, apparently, still available for purchase today at ~$11 + shipping.
Merry Christmas!
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That rule is pretty interesting, but never seen one up close. Up in the logging country they seem more common. Are you almost to the bottom of things yet? Good to see the old stove lit up, how long has it been since it was hot? Still heating with wood here in Nebraska, and was wishing my pile was bigger. Merry Christmas
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Are you almost to the bottom of things yet? Good to see the old stove lit up, how long has it been since it was hot?
I'm getting closer. Most "mechanical" tools I had gone through (e.g. sockets, wrenches, etc.). I had placed many piles of "other" tools together (roughly sorted) that I knew I'd want to spend time on later. I'm still sorting through those piles as time permits, cleaning, and making decisions.
The stove I had lit early this year for just a bit, but quickly found where I had some work to do. It was designed to burn oil as fuel. I was very concerned about the proximity of the oil storage to the stove, so I removed the storage and tubing and brought the stove back to wood burning only. Had to add a couple of dampers to help with air flow. I believe there is still to much horizontal run relative to vertical in the exhaust ducting causing this locomotive effect with drafting with its super-hot. I may have the cause here all wrong - but that's my thinking.
Merry Christmas!
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Happy New Year!
With the '65 kingpin bushing needing reamed as a backdrop - I decided I would bring out all of the taps, dies, cutter, reamers, easy-outs, etc. that I had found during cleanup. They were scattered about in several boxes where I had collected them. This is the first I've had them all together on the table to see what I actually have - and I still haven't figured out what I actually have. I did find an adjustable reamer that would work in diameter, but it falls short of the length required to ensure both bushings are reamed in parallel. Drawing board again. About ready to eat $300 for K-D master king pin reamer set.
Back to what I do have. I would like any comments/perspective you have regarding their cleaning. I would imagine as much care as possible should be taken as not to further dull them. I personally like the vinegar method to clean, as it gives me some level of control over the process and the end result is acceptable in most cases. I'm just not clear if there is a risk of further damage in their cleaning (outside not wanting to put them in a box and shake them).
My apologies in advance for the poor quality pictures today. It is cold, dark, and rainy here.
A broad view of the group
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I have these grouped together because they are of the same size. They are small diameter (neglected to measure). I do think this may be the mixings of two sets.
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Just slightly larger (in the 2 to 2-1/4 range). This type appears to be much different than the others I've seen or used. There are teeth/cutter inserts that go in on the backside of the die. Can anybody here further educate me on the why, what, how of this?
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A view of some of these "inserts" I speak of:
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and a view of the backside of the die with the inserts installed
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This style is ever so slightly larger than the previous, does not include the inserts on the backside of the die, and have a "split" in each of the dies - seemingly by design. Again, I'd appreciate any education that may be afforded here.
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an up-close view of the split
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This set larger in diameter than the last - likely closer to 2-1/2"
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The orphans - I have no idea what this hex shaped die may fit. I have them stacked by size, and as you can see there are various sizes.
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And then there is THIS GUY! Strangest die I've seen. It was all alone, with nothing apparent to match.
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A view of the tap holders/wrenches
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The tap collection. I'm finding mostly GTD (EDIT: Greenfield Tap & Die?) out of Greenfield Mass. Still researching. I've realized I need to better understand taps, which are used for what, why they are so variant in length.
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I think/hope its fair to call these all reamers
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We call them "Easy Outs" - I suppose technically they're extractors. I'm not real clear on the 2nd from the right. It may well be a reamer.
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This is a box I found a few of the taps/dies inside. I don't recognize it, can't find a makers mark outside the graphic which is mostly gone, and not having luck in my quick research. I'd be interested to know if anybody recognizes it.
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I've only got some user knowledge, and will gladly let someone set me straight. Taps come in 3 types. Starting taps, which are very tapered on the end. Bottoming taps that had the same size threads to the end. And Combo taps, that give you a bit of both worlds. Starting taps are made like that to help get started in the hole straight. The bottoming taps were used after the starting tap to cut threads clear to the bottom of a blind hole. The die inserts, the individual pieces, started out with something called a screw plate. A stack of these pieces in a slot, in a plate, with two handles, back when blacksmiths cut their own threads, nuts and bolts. Also the same size thread count insert could be used in cutting threads on a rod 3/16, 1/4, 5/16 and so on. Just have to be careful not to overly reduce the size, or the nut will be loose. That is some collection. Have you thought about using electrolysis to remove the rust?
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>There are teeth/cutter inserts that go in on the backside of the die. Can anybody here further educate me on the why, what, how of this?
The dies with inserts are the older form. They were made this way because the old guys did not know how to harden the threaded part without making the overall die brittle, so they made them in 2 parts, the threaded inserts are hard as heck, the outer holder is mild steel.
These were usually called 'screw plates' when offered in sets, allthough they bear no resemblence to the classic blacksmith's screw plate...(a plate that looks sorta like a trowel with a bunch of threaded holes in it)
The dies with a slit and a setscrew are so you can fine adjust the thread diameter as the die wears out....
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The dies with inserts are the older form. They were made this way because the old guys did not know how to harden the threaded part without making the overall die brittle, so they made them in 2 parts, the threaded inserts are hard as heck, the outer holder is mild steel.
These were usually called 'screw plates' when offered in sets, allthough they bear no resemblence to the classic blacksmith's screw plate...(a plate that looks sorta like a trowel with a bunch of threaded holes in it)
The dies with a slit and a setscrew are so you can fine adjust the thread diameter as the die wears out....
Thanks for that! I guess I'm still a little confused. I recall (and can't confirm with a good picture) them having a die thread already made into the die, and then those "inserts" would sleeve in on the reverse side; basically presenting a die on either side of the overall holder with a small hollow opening left between them. Why two? Is one hardened, and the other not? Maybe I missed something in your explanation. I'm slow sometimes to "get it" :) - bear with me.
Makes a lot of sense on the "split" die. In looking at it's holder/wrench I was suspicious of the placement of the setscrews. Was wondering "why not just place them across from each other each side". Now I understand that.
.........Have you thought about using electrolysis to remove the rust?
Many thanks, John! The explanation on taps will help me with some basic sorting effort. I would hope I eventually need access to them based on their use. I do plan to use them again.
I have "considered" electrolysis, and studied it on several occasions. As I think back I'm unclear why I've not tried it. Doesn't seem all that complicated to setup. Maybe I should reconsider; or at least re-read up. I would be interested to know if anybody could concoct (sp?) a concern with using vinegar on them.
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>Why two?
That is yet a different kind of holder (there were about a dozen ways to do the same thing). The 2 sided die is a thread cutter on one side, and the other hole is just to keep the bolt/rod/whatever straight so you don't cross thread it.
PS: The die with 5 holes and funny edges is likely a thread chaser....
(Snap-on/blue point sets came with dies that look like that)
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Great collection of Taps, Dies & reamers...
Like John.K said Taps typically come in 3 types. (cutting threads in stages reduces the stress on each tap to avoid breaking, Also cutting fluid helps!!.)
#1 starter tap to ream & start threads through a hole, note thicker body to teeth for strength, also if threaded through hole will cut to a ~class 4 fit.
#2 Tap, continues cutting a threaded hole to size, also good chaser & will thread fit to class 3. (Typical fit)
#3 Bottom Tap to cut to the bottom of blind holes, note cross section of body is thin, so be careful..
Note class 5 fit (interference fit) special taps.
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"About ready to eat $300 for K-D master king pin reamer set"
have you tried a local machine shop? getting work estimate or renting? unless you plan on doing this job a lot!
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"About ready to eat $300 for K-D master king pin reamer set"
have you tried a local machine shop? getting work estimate or renting? unless you plan on doing this job a lot!
A very good friend owns a machine shop locally - about 3 miles from here. I haven't even thought to mention the problem. I don't care to ask for favors, and somehow that's what it would turn into because I know my money wouldn't be taken.
I'm very much of the opinion if you need a tool, you need the tool. A many of times in my life I have taken the money I would have paid someone else to do a job, and been able to buy the tool required and do the job myself......leaving me the tool to use again someday. I have three 1961-1966 trucks that I'm working to restore where it (this reamer) has an application. I'm of the belief I need the tool. It (changing bushing/pin) is a seemingly easy task with the right tools, doesn't cost much in consumables to do them, makes a big difference in the quality of the driving, positively impacts tire wear, and more generally there seems to be a market for being able to do them.
Appreciate your thoughts, OT.
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I've hit a brick wall in my attempts to repair this guy:
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The problem I'm having is with this linking the electric motor to the gearbox. There is part of the original makeup that is broken, and bent. I was near certain I remember'd this motor coming from a can opener, but now I'm starting to second guess that memory. I'm good with wood skills, but weak with metal and engineering.
To the left you'll see the broken/bent stem.
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I'm seeking opinions on how to approach fixing it (this linkage). It would mean alot to me to have it back in operable condition.
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Is the motor "locked" into a spot that it can't be moved to make up for the broken shaft?
It looks like the shaft is crimped over the motor shaft, with some work the shaft can be removed.
Also a overlapping coupler could be made in a lathe pretty easily or maybe a short pc of copper tube might work if you have some handy.
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For the torque involved, heat shrink tubing would probably work as a repair coupler, or rubber hose.
That motor is typically what is used in fans.
But that one is old, the cloth ribbon and paperboard insulation says 1960's or earlier...
It is really an overgrown clock motor...
They were common and cheap, they got used in all kinds of things, so a can opener isn't impossible, the gearbox parts look like about the right speed reduction....
You will not get that shaft out of the motor without destroying the motor, the inner laminations are pressed over it, it holds the rotor together...
Plan B: Hit the flea for old can openers ;P
Even if the parts don't match, it is about the right speed I would think (a few revoloutions a second)...
You will have to mount gearbox parts in a new places tho....
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As it turns out the gearbox wasn't functioning correctly either. I opened it up and found a point of failure in the attachment of a plastic gear to a metal gear. It seems the adhesive failed. Any thoughts on proper methods to adhere the two? I will research just curious about real life experience with plastic on metal in torqued situations.
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I should have noted the motor works....spins round and round. The shaft has about 3/8" vertical play/slack. I'm not sure if that is supposed to be raised upon the motor spinning up, if it is just slack in the design, or if its wear.
Is the motor "locked" into a spot that it can't be moved to make up for the broken shaft?
I think I could "reposition" it, but I'm under the assumption I still need the spiral gear on the tip of the shaft to engage the gearbox. Maybe that gear could be relocated to a short shaft.
..........Plan B: Hit the flea for old can openers ;P
Even if the parts don't match, it is about the right speed I would think (a few revoloutions a second)...
You will have to mount gearbox parts in a new places tho....
Thank you, Rusty. I like where you're going with that. I did find "gear assortment" packs online cheap enough, so I think I could regear if needed. How do you feel about a DC powered gear motor of the $5 - $10 variety? Would it pull it and how are the speeds compared to say a can opener?
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Oily, just stumbled upon your thread, and I've been glued to it for the past two days reading all the posts from start to finish. And my back hurts just thinking about all the work you've done!
Your oil rig motor looks like a C-frame. Sears used to make these evaporative coolers where little motors like this rotated pads into a water trough (instead of the standard way of using a water pump to put the water on the top of wood shaving pads and drip down by gravity). They were 115 volt and geared down to turn at a relatively slow rate. And they would always lock up, burn out, seize due to bad lube, etc. Most guys just replaced them - I learned how to disassemble them, clean and lube, and reinstall and they worked fine.
Don't know if that model of motor is still made but here's a link:
http://www.fasco.com/distribution/products/c-frame-motors/
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Oily, vinegar is acidic, albeit fairly weak, all I've seen about cleanup afterwards is neutralizing it. Then, of course, the newly-cleaned surfaces are so nekkid that a light coat of an oil would be appropriate. Otherwise, the project will start to rust within a very short time.
I've fantasized about springing for a barrel of vinegar and keeping it around, but I'm not sure in what kind of material (and don't like plastic). I once tried to clean some needles for a Damascus (Ward's brand) treadle sewing machine and left them in too long. When I finally tried to look at them, they were gone! Note to self…