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General Category => General Discussion => Heads Up => Topic started by: Papaw on June 10, 2018, 01:49:47 PM
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It seems our sister site, The Garage Gazette, is having server problems again. Hope it isn't a major problem!
We know all too well that sites can crash and be lost all too easily, as this one did back in 2011 or so.
I just checked Tools and Garages, Rusty's forum, and it is down also
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Yeah, so is the Machinists Gazette, where I'm a member, too.
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As it has always been, Gazette and Tools & Garages members are welcome here on Tool Talk if they need to connect with others.
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Thanks for the heads-up, Papaw.
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I also can't get Rusty by email. His address in my records gets sent back as "Undeliverable".
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Got an email from Uncle Buck-
"Hey Noel, thanks for the message. I am sure a few of the guys are a bit restless with the site down. Rusty and I have never maintained any contact off of the site, (we should, my fault) I know he will get it squared away, he always does. Like as not, by tomorrow."
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I just figured it was something Bruce did
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I just figured it was something Bruce did
Probably stuck one of his flip flops in the server and fried the bloody thing! :grin:
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Sounds like it's not too bad.
Perhaps we could get a relay notification system going? For when either site goes down, emergencies, internet service interrupted etc. Being I'm home alot now and have a landline I could be a part of the system/chain.
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Just got this from Rusty --
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"They've advised us they have about 107 servers (down from 140 earlier), this is just under 1% of the systems there. These blades went down after a firmware upgrade to fix the TLS problems in the ILO. This server is one of the affected units. Most units upgraded without incident, but some the power management controller failed to come back online taking the server offline. They are discussing with HPE whether a downgrade will help or we need to replace hardware. Its a mess but we'll work through it until its resolved."
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Sure hope they do get it resolved. When Tool Talk went down, everything was lost, but with help and the great membership, it came alive again.
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Its so Bruce's fault your right on the money.
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I just figured it was something Bruce did
Probably stuck one of his flip flops in the server and fried the bloody thing! :grin:
Not just flip flops...Server crashing flip flops!!!!!
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As it has always been, Gazette and Tools & Garages members are welcome here on Tool Talk if they need to connect with others.
Thanks for the info and hospitality!
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This is the message that Rusty received from the hosting company. It's a major hardware firmware failure -- and it may not be resolved quickly because they don't have enough hardware to replace the failed components (the blade servers). We may have to accept the fact that when we do get up and running , there may not be a proper backup to restore the site to a recently archived steady state =-- bottom line; a lot of recently posted content may be lost.
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"News: Atlanta - Blades in A01-05, B01-05, C01-05, J11-J15 Published: 11/06/2018 We've had a detailed update from our DC about the status of around 120 blade servers that have been affected by a recent firmware update.
At the beginning of June, we began upgrading our servers with the new ILO code to address both TLS vulnerability and the new Java security requirements. During last week we had 1-2 servers that failed their upgrade but completed over 1500 upgrades successfully. On Friday we started upgrading the next batch of systems in A01-05, B01-05, C01-05, J11-J15, there were not incidents detected until Saturday when a total of 174 servers dropped offline over the course of 3 hours, we’ve had a few more drop out on Sunday and Monday as well.
We notified the DC to check through the first systems and they found the server refused to power up, it just sat with a flashing red health error light. They contacted HPE for assistance and carried out their recommend downgrade procedure on a couple of the blades. It made no difference.
HP's tech investigated a few of the blades and discovered that the power management controller had failed to upgrade properly and was preventing the blade from powering up. We have tried a variety of operations with HPE to resurrect these servers, some has come back to life, some are still offline. The DC will continue to work with HPE to find a solution to these issues.
We have swapped hardware where we have available stock but have now depleted our stock of spare compatible systems so we are reliant on HPE resolving the firmware issue. In the meantime we’re shipping a couple of pallets of servers from New York and Denver to Atlanta so we can replace hardware where necessary.
The DC is working round the clock with HPE to find a resolution, if we can’t get a firmware resolution then we’ll replace the hardware as soon as additional kit arrives on site.
Its an unfortunate and messy situation all round and we apologise for the downtime."
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Thank you for posting that Ray. It helps knowing at least something about the situation.
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:tongue: :cry:
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Perhaps I'm being optimistic here, but generally servers will be built with the operating system and drivers on a separate hard drive array and the data on another. This sort of setup should enable restoration of sites easily. Further, I would assume the hosting company maintains regular backups of the data on yet another system.
Fingers crossed and maybe we'll be lucky.
I would say that regular backups by forum administrators is also a good practice unfortunately I am totally guilty of failing that on my own boards so I'm not gonna say nothin' about that!
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Sounds like a big mess! Glad somebody smarter than me is working on it.
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Sounds like a big mess! Glad somebody smarter than me is working on it.
That makes 2 of us.
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Thanks for the heads up. Took me a couple days to find you guys over here.
Greyson
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Still down....
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If it's not up soon I will be requesting a refund
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If it's not up soon I will be requesting a refund
So correct! you will be refunded every dime you were charged too! :grin:
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Sounds like GG may take a real lick ☹️
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Sounds like GG may take a real lick ☹️
I am starting to wonder what, if anything will be left.
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I'm looking forward to coming back up...!
Daryl
MN
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I am glad to find everybody here. Thank you to our gracious host.
I had looked here but missed this thread so I was glad to find it.
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Anyone from GG is welcome here- even Bruce!
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Wonder if Bruce knows about this place?
Anyone gonna tell him???
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Anyone from GG is welcome here- even Bruce!
I'm trying. It always takes me a long time to warm up to a new place. Lots of familiar names here though.
Greyson
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Getting antsy, GG and MG have been down for 10 days or so. Ouch !!! It is a gracious host to give us this space to stay together.
"Billy G"
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this is a friendly group, and we all like to learn from others, welcome to tool talk.
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Still waiting for them to get the servers in and the hard drives swapped.
The real killer is that I'd just started a rsync to a new server in Dallas when everything went down.
Ray has posted everything that we know at the moment.
I'm out of town and on the cell so I may be slow on updating this thread.
I tried to bring up the backups on the new server (new data center) but the databases were corrupt. Ray had alerted me that he was getting database errors when trying to connect but I couldn't replicate them. It never occurred to me that AWS S3 was in the Virginia area.
We may end up having to do as PaPaw did in 2011 and restart from the ground up. I'm holding off on setting up new sites hoping that they manage to get the servers live again and I can transfer the data out.
Rusty who beating his head against the wall.
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Good to hear from you Rusty !
After GG is cleared up, we should talk about a few issues I have with Tool Talk.
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I haven't forgotten you Noel. Lifes just been crazy for me.
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I think I can speak on behalf of all the GG users saying we really appreciate all the work you do with the site. Thanks.
Greyson
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Hell no Slipper, if you tell Bruce he`d crash Tooltalk aswell
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Sorry to hear things are still AWOL at GG. Been logging in once a day just to see if it's back. The longer it goes the worse I think things will get (but I'm no computer person).
Another thanks to Papaw for being a "refugee" hangout! lol
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Hell no Slipper, if you tell Bruce he`d crash Tooltalk aswell
We'll have to make sure he doesn't bring along his server crashing shoes.....
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Heyyy I found everyone.
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Hello Shawn, glad you made it. Was getting worried about you.
"Billy G"
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Hey Shawn, we miss you, glad you found us. We didn't have anyway to get a hold of everyone when the servers crashed, but glad you found us.
Ken
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ha, yeah. was getting a little worried. day after day after day. i ALMOST put my phone down and did work... WORK, GUYS! the horror!!
lol, i tried searching every conceivable forum i could think of looking for some names to at least try to contact someone to see what the heck happened... i did not turn up anything. if it werent for Marks yahoo page, i would have had to just wait for MG to come back. yikes.
(read: we have been incredibly busy. we FINALLY started the work on that rotten house we were ACTUALLY supposed to do there. how long has it been, two three weeks? i have a few photos. im on a PC currently, ill have to post them from my phone.
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Nope. Can't. Files are too big. They fit on MG but not here. And it doesn't appear this site is on tapacrap (tapacrap fixes the file sizes for you).
Sorry, no photos.
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Carpenter84- Read this- http://www.papawswrench.com/vboard/index.php?topic=61.0 (http://www.papawswrench.com/vboard/index.php?topic=61.0)
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Well some of the blades are slowly being brought online.
Hopefully ours will soon be one of them.
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Let's try again.
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Looking good Shawn.
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Ya, finally coming along.
Tomorrow we spend the day in the attic putting in collar ties to try and fix the sinking roof, should be fun times... Also, we will be building a dormer soon.
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Thank-you for the good news Rusty.
"Billy G"
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Feeling a little out of place here, not sure where to post anything related to the stuff we do. So, I'll just keep posting in here.
Due to unfortunate recent events (another attack of the meat claws... read: hands where they shouldn't have been during times when they shouldn't have been there) I burnt out a bunch of semiconductors in my DC lathe controller. Which has now led me to, once again, for the third time, rebuild my controller enclosure.
Making changes to things I learned the last two rounds. Making the systems more reliable and stable. I was having issues with intermittent running due to some faulty components on the kbcc 125 controller board. I have a bunch of semiconductors, resistors, variable resistors and potentiometers coming in the mail. Better heat dissipation, a better layout, no longer a rats nest from adding components (bells and whistles). Better wiring.
One major change was changing the cable to the remote control from permanently attached to a parallel cable. The biggest pain previously was if I needed to work on something I had to drag the 300~lbs lathe out away from the wall to get the remote box and enclosure out. Now, just one easy to maneuver parallel cable and plug.
I have the AC and DC power run to everything, tomorrow I will do all the control wiring.
And i swear, the bench was totally cleared off when I started...
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A cleaned off bench means you are not busy or have anything to do. Mine stays cluttered up with junk and projects!
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A cleaned off bench means you are not busy or have anything to do. Mine stays cluttered up with junk and projects!
Or in my case it means you are working on your continuing quest to clean your shop out and make it useable once again.
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Not to upset anyone, but this thread was, I thought, to keep track of the down GG and MG sites? If it gets cluttered with other stuff it will become hard to follow.
"Billy G"
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Not to upset anyone, but this thread was, I thought, to keep track of the down GG and MG sites? If it gets cluttered with other stuff it will become hard to follow.
"Billy G"
I do not agree. Generally, staying on topic in a thread would be desired. That said, our situation here is a little different. While MG, GG, and T&G are sister sites, all three differ from each other, and all three differ from this site. Papaws Wrench, is aimed primarily at much older tools, both hand, and machine, than the GG and even more different still than MG site. While Papaw and the rest of the guys here have been more than gracious in allowing our "invasion" of their site, we do not want to steal or confuse the general interest of the existing membership here with a bunch of threads scattered about the PW site that would not normally be a good fit to discussion generally shared here.
I see no reason that guys should not feel free to discuss whatever stuff they normally would at MG in the threads that clearly say GG, MG or T&G on this web site. My thinking is we should not spread the usual threads or discussions we would have on our respective sites all over the PW site. Of course, at some point there will be a progress report in this thread, or the other one relating to GG, MG and T&G. They are just two threads, so it should not be difficult to find most recent progress reports when they come in.
That is just my thinking. I think we need to be respecting of the host, and the general site mission here.
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I am simply advocating that we "do as the Romans do" so to speak while spending time here.
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You disagree with what?? No where did I state not to do it. I simply stated what can happen, or is this a no-no here also. Do whatever pleases you. OK now???
"Billy G"
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In general, subjects such as machinist's threads should go in General Discussion since Tool Talk doesn't have a forum dedicated to such, but in this case it doesn't matter to me.
Let's just be friendly and supportive of each other.
Tool Talk has always been a very laid back and friendly place and I don't let controversy reign here.
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You disagree with what?? No where did I state not to do it. I simply stated what can happen, or is this a no-no here also. Do whatever pleases you. OK now???
"Billy G"
Sorry Billy, I meant no offense. Herb
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A clean bench is a sign of a sick mind.
Lol jk
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Sorry guys... I like to share the stuff I do in the shops. No one else in my life takes an inkling of interest in what I do on my spare time, including my wife. And I'm a sucker for acknowledgment and approval - a down fall likely... I'll try to just hold out until MG comes back online.
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since we are sharing and many of us are simple please 'splain why a lathe needs such a sophisticated control.
doesnt he gear box/ belt pulley control the speed adequately?
or do you need the rpms exact for some work?
Skip
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Sorry guys... I like to share the stuff I do in the shops. No one else in my life takes an inkling of interest in what I do on my spare time, including my wife. And I'm a sucker for acknowledgment and approval - a down fall likely... I'll try to just hold out until MG comes back online.
You don't have to according to Papaw. He said to make threads in the General Discussion section (this section)
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since we are sharing and many of us are simple please 'splain why a lathe needs such a sophisticated control.
doesnt he gear box/ belt pulley control the speed adequately?
or do you need the rpms exact for some work?
Skip
Just more control. The belts on my lathe are a bit of a pain. It started because my motor blew bearings, and I have a problem needing to constantly make things better. That's the majority of what goes on in my shop. Changing things, adding systems, making things needlessly more complicated for my own personal enjoyment.
I have a tach, an ammeter display, voltage display, variable speed, push button start/stop and direction change. I needed to change the setup because things for a bit messy from adding bells and whistles.
I'd like to do the same thing to my mill too.
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I agree this thread is our little home away from home without polluting the host site , kind of like an air lock.
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yeah. we wouldn't want to stank up the place.
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Thanks to midnitemack for reminding me I'm a member here. With GG down I was starting to have withdrawal symptoms.
Justin
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Still no news on the GG outage ?
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Time to fire someone and go another direction. :angry:
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Time to fire someone and go another direction. :angry:
It does seem to be taking a long time to get the servers back online.
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My withdrawals are so bad I've contemplated going back on CH3.
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My withdrawals are so bad I've contemplated going back on CH3.
Lord man, that is akin to pitching yerself under the wheels of a bus! :grin:
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I was hanging out there, I forgot we still had this place.
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I realize that some things take time but this is an electronic age we live in. To be down for 17 days is outlandish. I'll keep waiting as all of you are, I just had to vent a little.
"Billy G"
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My withdrawals are so bad I've contemplated going back on CH3.
it aint the same place over there. I trolled thru the other night ad couldn't even get a rise by telling folks to clean greasy parts with gasoline. All the safety Nazis musta had the day off.
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I realize that some things take time but this is an electronic age we live in. To be down for 17 days is outlandish. I'll keep waiting as all of you are, I just had to vent a little.
"Billy G"
We could all beg for forgiveness, tell "you know who" how sound of mind he is and a wonderful human being and crawl back to HM?
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I realize that some things take time but this is an electronic age we live in. To be down for 17 days is outlandish. I'll keep waiting as all of you are, I just had to vent a little.
"Billy G"
We could all beg for forgiveness, tell "you know who" how sound of mind he is and a wonderful human being and crawl back to HM?
What??? H*ll NO!!!! Not going to let him get a inch of me! Ever!
I know your kidding, Right?
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He has already asked me if I wish to return. I said no way in hell. I like being the #1 enemy of his.
"Billy G"
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He has already asked me if I wish to return. I said no way in hell. I like being the #1 enemy of his.
"Billy G"
Likewise, here too!!! No. 2 enemy of his.
K
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He asked you guys to come back? .... Whyy??
That makes the least amount of sense of all the things he's done so far...
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If you are trying to make sense out of anything he does, don't bother because you can't. He has been harassing me since it all started.
"Billy G"
His newest addon is to allow guests to post and start threads without registering. This should prove interesting? ROTFLMAO.
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I'm still banned.
But I can view in incognito mode in my browser. I've seen him go from begging for money to trying to give it away a week later.
I find HM quite boring now. I know new members asking questions perpetuates the forum, but I don't find all the same questions and problems interesting or entertaining.
At least when I have questions it's because I've royally screwed something up and it's likely worth a giggle over how stupid it is.
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He wants us to come back for only one reason and that is to say what a nice guy he is. Don't for one minute let that man fool you. If he wishes something done it's for his gain only, no other reason.
And yes, I am still banned and wish to remain so.
That's enough of this discussion here. We could go on forever but it is not in the interest of this forum or it's mission.
"Billy G"
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That's enough of this discussion here. We could go on forever but it is not in the interest of this forum or it's mission.
"Billy G"
Thanks BillyG. We don't need to dwell on other's faults.
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My pleasure.
"Billy G"
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So who`s who?
Which GG members here have different user names?
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I was thinking the same for MG
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Mine is the same on GG and T&G. Papawswrench on 67-72chevytrucks.com .
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There is no reason to change, mine is the same.
"Billy G'
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Mine is the same on GG and T&G. Papawswrench on 67-72chevytrucks.com .
You own a 67-72 Chevy truck? I have a 72 Papaw.
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Can you gun blue stainless?
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Don't think so Shawn, not cold blue anyway.
"Billy G"
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You own a 67-72 Chevy truck? I have a 72 Papaw.
I don't have one anymore. That was a long time ago. After several years of political discussion boards, I got connected to 67-72chevytrucks.com (http://67-72chevytrucks.com) and enjoyed it immensely and became a moderator there and a supporter. Liz and Josh later helped me set up the original Tool Talk back in 2005 or so. Though I don't mod anymore, I am still a member.
I have a 98 GMC Sierra that I bought second hand in 2002. Still have it with a new transmission in 2009 and a new crate engine in 2012.
I don't intend to ever buy a new truck, or even another one unless this one gets totalled. I don't care for the new ones, the many computers in them, and certainly don't want another truck note!
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I have a 1999 Suburban with a rebuilt 350 bored and stroked to 491 C.I. Runs like a top. I just bought a 2005 Chevy 2500 Series. Luv them both.
"Billy G"
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At GG I'm Tool Hunter
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I am who I am. Slip knot.
Man, I cant seem to get the smileys to work here.
My DD is starting to show its age. 98 gm 2500. I bought it new off the lot in 98 with 36 miles on it. Currently @265K. Actively looking for its replacement now.
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Anyone heard from rusty? Any idea what's going on? Really actually been a long time down.
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A few days ago he reported that they were getting the systems up slowly.
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I see Muddy made it over.
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Damn it who slipped up?
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Damn it who slipped up?
some fat guy in Maryland
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I have a 1999 Suburban with a rebuilt 350 bored and stroked to 491 C.I. Runs like a top. I just bought a 2005 Chevy 2500 Series. Luv them both.
"Billy G"
Back in 2005 or so, I was driving a 1984 Ford pickup. Had a younger friend who had a 5-year-old model and was antsy to get himself a new truck. Said he wanted one bad.
I advised him to keep his pants on. Pointed out that by driving my old Ford, I had avoided spending enough money to put one son through college. He had two young sons, but didn't take my advice. He had a new pickup within the month.
Lost track of him, but expect he has had several trucks since then. And made a lot of interest payments. Hope his boys came out OK.
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That's one reason I don't want a new truck. I don't have a note and neither does the wife ( 2007 Dodge caliber ). We need all we earn from SS and Teacher Retirement. We don't waste money, but we are able to help the kids and grandkids and eat out when we want to. I worked 6 years after beginning to collect SS and put most of that in the bank.
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I can't remember the last time I had a car payment. LOL The 99 and the 05 will be the last I buy I hope?
"Billy G"
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I have never had a car payment to a dealer. The most I have ever had was a bank loan for maybe 2-3K that I would pay off in short order. Of course I have never had a new car either. The closest to a new car I have ever owned was a 1999 Grand Marquis that I bought in 2012 that had 21K miles on it. It still had the new car smell.
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Never had a brand new car, but did get wife several new Jeeps, mainly so I didn't worry about her being stuck on the highway. Did get a new pickup in 86. Needed one for a job I had, Mazda B2000, drove it 195,000. Right now got our last new Jeep, an 08 Liberty, which has the unlimited lifetime powertrain warranty, they only offered that a year or two. Coming up on ten years old, still running the original battery. Just not done a lot to it other than brakes. Today the speedo rolled over 196K. My 96 Chevy 1500 has 204K and still runs good, so not seeing a need to upgrade. Got a few more sitting in the yard as backup, and a few more as long term projects, which I predict will keep be broke til I expire.
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GG and MG have now been down for 21 days. I for one cannot understand this. What if anything is going on? Because of my ban from HM, I have no other place to go but here. Thank you for allowing me the oportunity.
"Billy G"
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Same, bill. I don't have many opportunities throughout the day to just sit down and relax, when I do, I usually try to read something on my phone. The forums are a nice outlet. And all the things I like to post, jobs and what not. I have no other avenues. I wonder if it may be time to just setup a new forum and abandon the other one for now. If it comes back we can always start moving posts over
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Same, bill. I don't have many opportunities throughout the day to just sit down and relax, when I do, I usually try to read something on my phone. The forums are a nice outlet. And all the things I like to post, jobs and what not. I have no other avenues. I wonder if it may be time to just setup a new forum and abandon the other one for now. If it comes back we can always start moving posts over
Someone else will have to set up a replacement because I won't be doing that. I am not ready to give up on things just yet. For me, when Rusty says we are done, we are done, I am simply relying on whatever he says. I do understand thoughts of replacement, but I do not see myself as a part of starting fresh from the ground up again. I have been a part of that several times now and I just do not want to start back over at zero.
Many other members have invested so much more of themselves in time and effort to the site than I have I will feel very bad if it all ends up lost. MG was new enough that not a huge amount of content was lost, and it was just getting off the ground so to speak. GG and T&G were several years old and much more established so it is hard to just give up on either site while there is any hope at all of re-opening those sites.
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Patience is a virtue. I still have some left. I'm with you Herb.
"Billy G"
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Buck, I know Rusty doesn't care for Go Daddy but I think I have enough space there to put GG on my server. Not sure if it would work but the offer is open.
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Buck, I know Rusty doesn't care for Go Daddy but I think I have enough space there to put GG on my server. Not sure if it would work but the offer is open.
Papaw, that is a very kind offer for sure! Honestly, I do not know if there is even a site left to accept the offer! Like everyone else, I am waiting to hear updates from Rusty so we will just have to wait and see what he has to share.
I have tied a knot and my big butt is dangling at the end of the rope just waiting to see how I am going to land here!
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Cats always land on their feet. LOL
"Billy G"
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It was only a thought. I'd also rather not lose everything like I lost everything on HM.
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I sure hope things are salvageable. Would be a damn shame if all that content was lost.
Though I've been fighting with phone line issues for 2 weeks now. Don't realize what you've got until you don't have it.
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It is not easy to restore a forum when all server data is lost- believe me, I know all too well how it can happen. I keep backups of Tool Talk, but even that can be lost.
I sincerely hope GG ,T&G, and MG are salvaged, and I will help in any way I can.
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As my Dad used to say, "All you need is Faith. It's a simple concept. Faith is the ability to go forward without guarantees.
"Billy G"
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I'm sitting patiently waiting for Rusty to work his magic. No hurry for me but will be glad to see the forums get back up.
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Me too! Feel like I'm being punish. :sad:
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Just notice that Gator joined. Or is that old news.
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Nope. Grumpygator just joined .
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Yeah, that's him. We just call him Gator on MG.
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I directed Highland512 this way but haven't seen him yet.
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What Luck.
Been orphaned twice in four months.
Gotta check my karma.
I don't care if we gots to start over again. It's the group that matters. And our group is World Wide. Think about that.
It's the friendships and sharing of knowledge that matter.
Yea not being able to check in SUCKS.
And the withdrawals are painful.
But that's life. What doesn't kill ya' makes you stronger.
A special thank you to Papaw for his hospitality and generosity for letting us post here. It will never be forgotten.
**G**
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Welcome to Tool Talk, grumpygator !
We are all good friends and hope GG, T&G, and MG are back in the swing of things soon.
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Hi ALL !
Missing you guys, emailed Steve he sent me this link.... A good man he is !
Thank you Steve..
So firmware... is the bad actor here. Was thinking that, because the outage has been long.
I had heard power failure, and if that occurred as a firmware update was in progress .. a very, very nasty thing to recover from.
All the best to Rusty, cause he definitely has his hands full.... for now...
pep
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I made a Facebook page for thouse that want to keep in touch.
Just search for "Machinist Gazette" and send an "Add Member" request.
This is just a place holding backup till we can get up and running again.
**Gator**
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Great... Probably the one guy here who doesn't have a Facebook.
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You're not alone Shawn. I had one friend commit suicide over a comment by a 16 year old girl. He was a Viet Nam Vet. I refuse to even acknowledge Facebook exists.
"Billy G"
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Oh my...
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Also not a FB visitor, I build personal firewalls to keep that kind of thing at bay. Guess my back ground for the last 15 years has influenced that decision.
pep
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I got the dog a facebook page, So I could use the facebook market place. Lots of people sell on FB and nowhere else.
Kinda funny when "Lucy" texts them and then I show up.... the look on some of them is priceless.
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I, too, am not a FBer. Nice to have several tool sites so we can keep in touch in times like this.
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Hi guys, I finally got over here. I've been extremely busy at work, plus I've been getting involved with my son's tractor pulling hobby. I'll be doing my first competition pull in a couple of weeks. These tractors are kinda nuts on power, and they are nothing like any tractor I've ever been on before - and I've been on a lot of 'em!
I also want to thank Papaw for his wonderful hospitality and allowing us to convene here and exchange news. Being able to do so in invaluable!
I might just consider creating an email group on google groups or groups.io where everyone can connect via email without actually publicly sharing their email addresses. It would be a place where we can keep everyone connected without taking up space from someone else. If there is enough interest in doing so, I can certainly set it up.
In the mean time, I am just biding my time, and hope to see MG up and running again in the near future.
Terry
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Welcome to Tool Talk !
The message service here is easy to use if needed. I will tell you that I as owner and administrator I see all messages between members of Tool Talk in the message system.
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I directed Highland512 this way but haven't seen him yet.
I made it dont worry, I see lots of familiar faces and hope to see many others.
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Any updates yet?
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Hi guys, I finally got over here. I've been extremely busy at work, plus I've been getting involved with my son's tractor pulling hobby. I'll be doing my first competition pull in a couple of weeks. These tractors are kinda nuts on power, and they are nothing like any tractor I've ever been on before - and I've been on a lot of 'em!
I also want to thank Papaw for his wonderful hospitality and allowing us to convene here and exchange news. Being able to do so in invaluable!
I might just consider creating an email group on google groups or groups.io where everyone can connect via email without actually publicly sharing their email addresses. It would be a place where we can keep everyone connected without taking up space from someone else. If there is enough interest in doing so, I can certainly set it up.
In the mean time, I am just biding my time, and hope to see MG up and running again in the near future.
Terry
We need a tractor pulling thread with pictures!!!
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Any updates yet?
There has been some discussion between Rusty and I about where things are going here. Rusty said a few days ago that there was still a possibility of our sites coming back online. Obviously, the longer this goes there more doubts everyone, myself included have as to these sites ever coming back. I told Rusty that even though waiting is tough, I wanted to wait a little longer. I have not defined for anyone, myself included what "a little longer is timewise" I think maybe another couple of weeks. If after that the sites are not back up then it is time to rebuild and start over from scratch. However, I think we will need to make some choices to rebuild perhaps differently than our old sites and in a way that is more secure without whatever exposure left us vulnerable to the kind of thing we are going through now.
The time for trying to wait this out is about over and thoughts of rebuilding are in my mind more and more. UB
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You guys made this to easy for me to sneak in.......... :grin:
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You guys made this to easy for me to sneak in.......... :grin:
Sneak LOL, I have already put up a post paging you! I did it before this post too! :cheesy:
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Is the site not back up yet on the hosting side or is the issue trying to recover the data?
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Darn it, my car is upside down. :angry:
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Until Rusty throws in the towel, I will wait right here. I don't see that happening any time soon. Thanks for the update Buck.
"Billy G"
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I can be patient though I do miss all the folks.
Thanks for the update
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If it all goes belly up, Tool Talk will adapt to fit the more varied sections GG was popular for, buy I am also hopeful it can be saved.
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Has anyone heard from Strik / Brian in Mexico ?
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He posts here often.
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Darn it, my car is upside down. :angry:
How fitting for you! LOL :grin:
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Well, somebodies gonna have to go get Bruce...……..
Everybody else seems to have made the jump over to this site.. And if we aint got Bruce to harass , y'all may start harassing me!!!!
Man I wished I could figure the smileys out. !@#$%^&*() it just aint the same!!!
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I spoke to Bruce a few days ago and let him know we were rallying here.
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Who is Bruce???
"Billy G"
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Darn it, my car is upside down. :angry:
How fitting for you! LOL :grin:
LOL
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Who is Bruce???
"Billy G"
Billy, that's a can of worms you better be prepared for if you open it.
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Aren’t you being nice. :grin: LOL
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Bring him on fellas. There is only one internet person I will never again get along with.
"Billy G"
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I bet I know who that is.... :kiss:
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I bet I know who that is.... :kiss:
Don't mention his name, sort of like Beetlejuice! :grin:
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Agread on waiting.
MG is so new that starting over would not be a big problem.
I have two terabytes of free space on an external hard drive and would be willing to run a back up every week so nothing gets lost.
Just let me know.
Whatever it takes count me in.
**G**
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I wonder how many people we’ve lost by now. I wonder about Mark Frazier.
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Darn it, my car is upside down. :angry:
At least I'm not the only one!!
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I call Mark once a week. He is doing OK.
"Billy G"
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I got some sad news today. Some of you knew Billh50 aka Bill Halsdorf from other forums. He passed away last night at home. He was a deas friend. Rest in peace Bill, your fight is over.
"Billy G"
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I got some sad news today. Some of you knew Billh50 aka Bill Halsdorf from other forums. He passed away last night at home. He was a deas friend. Rest in peace Bill, your fight is over.
"Billy G"
Bill,
I'm sorry to hear this. He was a fighter. Even if he flooded the forum with "for sale" clippings from Craig's list and eBay. Will be missed. R.I.P. Billh50.
Ken
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Wrong guy Ken, that was "Silverbullet". Bill was a retired Tool-maker from Pratt&Whitney. He lived just ten miles from me.
"Billy G"
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Oh crap! Sorry.
Ken
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I got some sad news today. Some of you knew Billh50 aka Bill Halsdorf from other forums. He passed away last night at home. He was a deas friend. Rest in peace Bill, your fight is over.
"Billy G"
Noo! Awww Jesus Christ...... Shit. ......shit
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*slinks in to see what's goin' on*
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On July 3d I asked a simple question and that was who is "Bruce". One answer. WOW he must be an impressive person. Guess what, I don't care anymore. You gents have succeeded in opening a side of me you do not wish to know. With that said I exit stage left before I open up and things happen you do not wish to be a part of.
Papaw thank you so much for the opportunity to be here for a short while. I will say Good-bye now.
"Billy G"
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I don't understand.
Tool Talk has no bias and no hassles. I keep it that way on purpose.
Even if Bruce signs on here, things will stay civil.
I do not hesitate to ban troublemakers as most members know.
Tool Talk has been going on this way since 2005.
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Ok.... That was weird.
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I sent Bill an email asking for his reason for leaving, and asking him to stick with us at least until GG and MG get back online.
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On July 3d I asked a simple question and that was who is "Bruce". One answer. WOW he must be an impressive person. Guess what, I don't care anymore. You gents have succeeded in opening a side of me you do not wish to know. With that said I exit stage left before I open up and things happen you do not wish to be a part of.
Papaw thank you so much for the opportunity to be here for a short while. I will say Good-bye now.
"Billy G"
Sorry for overlooking this, Bruce is a regular at GG that we all like to poke fun at. He is a good guy, for a Canadian......LOL. :grin:
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I was dinking around and found there was a couple archives of the GG. Not much got archived. I couldn't get into any threads, but the titles were there in the sub forums. I figured it might jog a memory about any users that might have not found out we're over here for the time being. It's kinda like walking around in a burned building.
https://web.archive.org/web/*/thegaragegazette.com
https://web.archive.org/web/20180310180141/http://www.thegaragegazette.com/
Greyson
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I have had email response from Bill and all is good. I won't go into it, but he said he will check in from time to time.
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what about boredmechanic? I always liked his industry pictures
Im sure he is on a gun forum somewhere but that would be like looking for waldo just to find the correct forum.
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The next thread I looked at and there he was, Howdy George.
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Well, new plan. All I am going to say is work has begun to replace the old GG, and hopefully the MG as two separate sites. If I cannot swing both sites then the plan will be to run both sites as one. Running both as one site is not the direction that I want to go, I want stand alones, but we will just see where that goes.
That is all I am saying for now, but there is your update, work has begun on replacing the sites, no more waiting.
UB
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Good deal, Buck !
Remember folks- You can be members of Tool Talk as long as you wish.
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Good deal, Buck !
Remember folks- You can be members of Tool Talk as long as you wish.
Agreed, and you should continue to frequent and support this site even after the GG and MG sites are back up! All of these small sites can benefit from memberships and activity on all of these sites. We should support each others sites.
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Sorry for overlooking this, Bruce is a regular at GG that we all like to poke fun at. He is a good guy, for a Canadian......LOL. :grin:
Well, understand. Papaw talked with him. hope he feels like stopping back in time to time. :smiley:
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When I spoke to Bruce (brslk) he said he was going to try and find his Tool Talk slippers but he couldn't remember where he put them.
Good deal, Buck !
Remember folks- You can be members of Tool Talk as long as you wish.
Agreed, and you should continue to frequent and support this site even after the GG and MG sites are back up! All of these small sites can benefit from memberships and activity on all of these sites. We should support each others sites.
I also encourage everyone to stick around. There are a lot of really great minds here who know an amazing amount about tools especially older ones.
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So Buck, it`s official the old GG is done all info lost?
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No. In this thread Buck says rebuild is in the works now.
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No. In this thread Buck says rebuild is in the works now.
No, he said he’s replacing them. Hope they can find more reliable servers, the ones we had went down frequently.
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What is the server type & model ?
pep
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Well, new plan. All I am going to say is work has begun to replace the old GG, and hopefully the MG as two separate sites. If I cannot swing both sites then the plan will be to run both sites as one. Running both as one site is not the direction that I want to go, I want stand alones, but we will just see where that goes.
That is all I am saying for now, but there is your update, work has begun on replacing the sites, no more waiting.
UB
Anything we can do to help??
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So Buck, it`s official the old GG is done all info lost?
For the most part yes, total rebuild from the ground up. Have not started just yet but things will come together fairly quickly now. Don't count on much if anything left over from the old site.
All that said, with a fresh start, we can add delete or change things and hopefully enhance the new site in ways to attract and increase membership.
Feel free to toss thoughts up here guys, thoughts can be integrated as I build the site so share your ideas. It looks promising for two individual sites as it was before, one to replace GG and another to replace MG, so keep your fingers crossed for that too.
The new sites will be more secure to protect us from such a monumental loss as we experienced this time. So we will not have to suffer through another deal like this again.
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What is the server type & model ?
pep
I don't know the specifics, but I do know it will be totally better.
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Well, new plan. All I am going to say is work has begun to replace the old GG, and hopefully the MG as two separate sites. If I cannot swing both sites then the plan will be to run both sites as one. Running both as one site is not the direction that I want to go, I want stand alones, but we will just see where that goes.
That is all I am saying for now, but there is your update, work has begun on replacing the sites, no more waiting.
UB
Anything we can do to help??
Yup, there is. Think about the old sites GG and MG. What things about the site, or maybe the layout or subject/topic sections offered did you dislike? What would you like to see different than the old sites, or better? I am not promising the moon here, but I do promise to try and implement ideas and suggestions you make here into the way the site is laid out and built! So, help with your thoughts and ideas and lets see if I cannot put together a site you guys will like!
If we can improve on our old sites even better. The replacements do not need to be cookie cutters for the old sites, they can and probably should be better than what we used to have!
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Is it so bad to have the site's seperate? MG was new, didn't have a huge amount of content and not a huge number of members. I suppose there's no real reason why we can't all hang out together.
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Is it so bad to have the site's seperate? MG was new, didn't have a huge amount of content and not a huge number of members. I suppose there's no real reason why we can't all hang out together.
Honestly, I thought the machine shop guys would want their site dedicated specifically to machine shop like other type sites. I could easily dedicate a good part of the GG site to machinist content and roll the two sites into one. I just want to give members what they want. If the machine shop guys collectively want me to try to marry the sites I have no issue with that and I doubt the GG guys would either. It would not be difficult in my opinion.
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I dunno. I'm indifferent, I think. Really the only thing that bothered me about MG, was just the lack of content. I found myself wondering back to HM just to have something to read. I would like to hear from the other guys on this.
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Mornin;
My take: if at all possible th two sites should remain separated. They are two different subjects.
With that said I will go with the majority.
"Billy G"
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The only thing I didnt like was that the search function sucked.
Would not mind a joint sire .
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I dunno. I'm indifferent, I think. Really the only thing that bothered me about MG, was just the lack of content. I found myself wondering back to HM just to have something to read. I would like to hear from the other guys on this.
If lack of content was a problem, then you will REALLY hate the new site! Every site has zero content when you open them, that is why it is so bad to open a new site and start over! It does not matter who owns the site, or how it is laid out, all start with zero content. Content only comes with membership and people posting and sharing. The MG was only something like six weeks or so old with roughly 100 people so yes, content was quite limited and would remain that way until membership and use provided the content.
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Keep the atmosphere the same, to me this is the most important.
Maybe add a gun sub forum, bored mechanic had enough info to fill this up on his own. A brand by brand child subs in the general tool discussion, same brand by brand for power tools? Lots of times I think people lurk looking for info on a specific tool brand (maybe their grandfathers wright 3/8 ratchet)
and if all of the wright information was in one spot it would be easier to find than in the search function.
I like how pawpaw has the child boards set up, we could do something like that instead of having a entire front page of stickies.
Defiantly get it where we can use the tapatalk (or something similar). I used the app to read GG 75% of time, plus it was the best way I found to post pictures after the photobucket robbery.
Would diffidently need a huge outreach to try to get everyone back home.
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Wasn't asking specifics, just general. like Chevy/ford, v8, six banger.
I like the idea of having the GG & MG combined, they after all have tools. Logo could be a problem LOL.
With that in mind, we can upload old projects and new comers will think we are a productive bunch.
A final thought TAPE is the safest back up, however that would require someone to change and store them.
BTW will we see a spell checker, an upgrade I certainly welcome...
Cheers,
pep
What is the server type & model ?
pep
I don't know the specifics, but I do know it will be totally better.
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I vote for 2 different forums as I liked it that way. Combining them into one may make it too large and require too much scrolling through subjects. It will be a shame to lose so much content posted by those members who are no longer with us or no longer participate but we can rebuild. I am ready to help in any way possible.
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I have never been a big fan of child boards, they make little sense to me and in fact I rarely ever even open one. I find them confusing, but maybe I am just that dumb.
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I vote for 2 different forums as I liked it that way. Combining them into one may make it too large and require too much scrolling through subjects. It will be a shame to lose so much content posted by those members who are no longer with us or no longer participate but we can rebuild. I am ready to help in any way possible.
I agree with everything you said. I prefer separate sites myself. Sadly, I don't think there is any chance the old sites are coming back. That is the only reason I am giving up on them and moving on.
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I can see the machinist site being stand alone, but I also see it as a valuable section of GG.
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The big problem with the marriage of the two will be new members posting everywhere. It will be tough to follow.
"Billy G"
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I like both ideas as a big fan of KISS. Can sort the two links one on top of the other in the bookmark tab..
I did like where the MG logo was headed BTW....
Pep
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Both ways have logical sense and both have about the same number of pros and cons to my mind. My strongest thought though is if they are separate to make membership the same in both - joining one joins the other.
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I'm liking Pepi's idea of a joined site with some minimalist separation. I was always the find unread threads guy and would read everything. I didn't need to drill down into each subject to find the new stuff.
Maybe increase the photo sizes some. I had to resize every picture I posted.
I know the politics ruffled some feathers but I felt it was pretty good to see what other parts of the country think. I would like to see that continue too.
Don't forget the ignore feature.
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Did you give up the "thegaragegazette.com" domain name, or just move it?
I'll be with the new iteration of GG however it looks...it's been a while but we've been through this before. A shame so much content was lost, a lot of work adding such detailed content like Ray and others.
It's always been more about the people and atmosphere than anything else.
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I agree with slip knot we need a political thread, good stuff and some damn funny cartoons pop up there.
Don't visit many forums, but that one thread separates this group from the rest. Also shows most are adults and can survive and accept different opinions.
No teddy bears or cry rooms needed.........
If all else fails the ignore feature, is your friend....
Pep
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Looks like MG is back up. I re-registered anyway. Just three members right now, ddicky Rusty and me.
"Billy G"
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And me.
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And just now- me.
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I'm there again. WooHoo!!
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Membership is moving up quickly, 23 including the 3 spammers which I can't wait to get my fingers on. ROTFLMAO. Papaw, I have it under control again.
"Billy G"
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I'm good no matter which way you decide to go. one good thing about the restart is someone else may have a chance to be high poster for a bit
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I was able to register with MG last night and get on. This morning I am getting this page when I try to log on:
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I just got the same error.
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No problem here yet. I registered last night and clicked for google to remember.
"Billy G"
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Any chance gtermini and I could get some help with getting on MG as we are both getting the same error trying to log onto MG? Maybe someone who has already logged back onto MG could tell the powers that be that we need help? Thank you.
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Just joined MG, does this mean there's hope for GG?
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Yes it does. Rusty is working on it
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If any body is getting an error message when trying to log in to MG I found a solution that worked for me. I didn't try to log in until I opened a thread as a guest. I logged in after the thread was open and no more error message. I hope you see this gtermini and it works for you.
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What are the chances of getting the GG back with all the content intact?
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Not much chance.
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I have never been a big fan of child boards, they make little sense to me and in fact I rarely ever even open one. I find them confusing, but maybe I am just that dumb.
I must be dumb too it took me forever to figure out where this link was. :embarrassed: I just never paid attention to all the sub forums.
I think if creating separate sites you should have some links to the other sites, I didn't know MG even existed.
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I think that I am in first place for dumb. When I first joined Tool Talk, and saw the Child Boards, my first thought was, "This is great, Tool Talk has a category for kids". Regards, Lou
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I see people mention them but I have no clue where they are.
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Look under General Discussion- Heads Up, Daily Howdy, and Quote of the Day.
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I would like to see a cow and/or tractor picture of the day permanent thread......
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Muddy- Would you like a picture of the day that references tools of all kinds? Cows and tractors are not really part of Tool Talk.
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I would like to see a cow and/or tractor picture of the day permanent thread......
I like the way you think
(http://www.cockshuttdecals.com/Images/40D6Diesel/40D6Diesel002.jpg)
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What kinda cow is that? :tongue:
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Papaw, see what happens when you are a nice guy and let the Gazette refugees in here.
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Sooooooooo whats the eta of the new GG.
I`M DYING HERE (said with a Jersey accent)
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Papaw, see what happens when you are a nice guy and let the Gazette refugees in here.
It is all under control. :grin:
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Sooooooooo whats the eta of the new GG.
I`M DYING HERE (said with a Jersey accent)
Same here, nothing against the machinist but until I get a machine of my own I relay feel like I have no input of any importance.
Are you still moving?
What kinda cow is that? :tongue:
Canadian...............eh
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Muddy- Would you like a picture of the day that references tools of all kinds? Cows and tractors are not really part of Tool Talk.
That was in response to uncle buck asking for any "improvemets" to GG
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Yes Highlands I am. Heading over to Wyoming on Aug 18 to see if I can find a place and to have a good look around about a job.
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Thanks for having me here Papaw! I've been curled up in a ball crying since the GG went down.
Sign up here and what do I see? People blaming me and my server crashing sandals! You're all just jealous of my extensive footwear collection.... sure... I could have bought more tools... maybe a nice car... maybe even made a mortgage payment... but shoes are important!
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Glad you made it ! :wink:
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Glad you made it here Bruce. Life just hasn't been the same without you around. I mean that in a good way.
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and my server crashing sandals!
Please just keep that elsewhere on the web. :rolleyes:
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Glad you made it here Bruce. Life just hasn't been the same without you around. I mean that in a good way.
Thanks! That's very kind of you to say.
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I too am glad you made it here Bruce.
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I too am glad you made it here Bruce.
+1 -- glad you're here Bruce!!
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Bruce!!! Ahhh there goes the neighborhood. :grin:
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Thanks guys! You should have known you couldn't get rid of me just by crashing the other forum on purpose... I'm like a crazy stalker ex-girlfriend... I'll find you!
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knew you would make it!
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Everybody reading this thread, if you haven't registered for Machinist Gazette please do. It will make it easier when GG is back up.
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Hey Peeps, I'm here!!!!
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Thanks for having me here Papaw! I've been curled up in a ball crying since the GG went down.
Sign up here and what do I see? People blaming me and my server crashing sandals! You're all just jealous of my extensive footwear collection.... sure... I could have bought more tools... maybe a nice car... maybe even made a mortgage payment... but shoes are important!
Hey brslk glad to see you made it. Just leave the server crashing footwear in the closet.
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Garage Gazette is back up!!
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Sort of. Not much there. Says my sign in name is not valid. Does not exist.
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Still shows not up for me.
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I aint seeing it yet.
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Try this , comes up , but says my user name is invalid
http://207.7.82.151/
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it asked me to register. New site will probably not have our old info on it?
looks like the site may be on the rebound finally.
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Try this , comes up , but says my user name is invalid
http://207.7.82.151/
same here
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I will wait a bit before I register.
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I registered it says the site is simple machines? are these the bozos that killed the old site?
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No, simple machines is the name of the forum software, nothing to do with the hosts that pooched the puppy.
What's there looks like a fresh installation of the forum without any of the configuration needed to turn it into home. If Rusty has any backups of the old forum this could be the first step at an attempt to restore data and accounts. Fingers crossed!
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Working fine for me.
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Working ok for me now. Had to register again but I kinda expected that.
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Hello all. Just checking on ya to see how you are.
"Billy G"
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There are now two Garage Gazettes. It might be wise to register on both so that you will be on whichever one becomes the real one.
Rusty is working on the situation.
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There are now two Garage Gazettes. It might be wise to register on both so that you will be on whichever one becomes the real one.
Rusty is working on the situation.
The Garage Gazette http://207.7.82.151/index.php (http://207.7.82.151/index.php)
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Plain Garage Gazette http://garagegazette.com/ (http://garagegazette.com/)
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Official Name: host.gci.net.uy
IP address: 207.7.82.151
Official Name: garagegazette.com
IP address: 192.190.86.221
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I'm so confused.
This all is a rather elaborate way to get rid of me. You could have just asked me to leave you know lol
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... You could have just asked me to leave you know lol
More fun this way.
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... You could have just asked me to leave you know lol
More fun this way.
Some people just can't take a hint. lol
I'm waiting to see how things pan out with the two sites and all before I try to post anything.
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Bman, it looks like the first site is offline now. so the other one is good to go.